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  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

    Originally posted by splus View Post
    @SatyamDubey Thanks for sharing that info!

    Yup, that tire hugger is pain the the ass. It actually makes the bike even dirtier because the mud bounces off the hugger and splashes onto the rear middle of the bike, and even a rider.
    I took it off as soon as I reached home from the showroom, and was amazed how the bike looks so much better without it.

    A steel screw will be stronger than aluminium, especially if it was designed as an afterthought and placed close to the edge.

    It's good that KTM has been made aware of this. Hopefully they will redesign that hugger to be more useful. And more visually appealing, while we're at it!
    honestly, it never bothered me cause as much as I hate it flicking muck on the bike's underside, I was just thankful that people behind me in traffic were not getting sprayed to the extent that they'll pick a fight over it (believe me, I've had that happen to me when I rode a fiero).

    Now that the stupid thing has caused me so much trouble, I absolutely hate it and will not put it back on anyway. I am so with you on getting the metzelers over ABS cause what I've realized I need the most is wet condition grip. Not that MRF's suck at it but I do not feel they are evenly matched to the bikes power.

    thanks for keeping an eye out for my posts Splus, I am sure you'll pass on the word the way I've requested. Ride safe and let me know if you are in Pune sometime and we can plan a short ride.

    see you

    Satyam

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    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

      @DukeDey @Big bore I thought (and still do, but of course not sure) that European D200 comes with 300mm and 4 piston caliper with ABS, whereas Indian D200 comes with 280mm and 2 piston caliper. D390 basically has the same setup as European D200.
      The whole mix up about the 2 and 4 is because of many websites just copy and paste things, and for quite some time D200 was said to have 300mm discs, just because on KTM's site it says 300mm with 4 piston caliper. But this is European model. And KTM itself isn't very good in updating info at their own website(s).

      But of course - I'm not sure about this.

      I don't know about fitting it properly, if forks need to be replaced or not...
      @Big bore - at the service couple of days ago they let the air out of my brakes and they are much better now. I suggest you (and everyone) do it.
      My brakes have been gradually getting worse and worse since past year, even though the pads were in good condition.
      It looks like it's the air that needs to be let out, but maybe the pads also need to be changed before they APPEAR to be ripe for replacement.

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      Originally posted by SatyamDubey View Post
      honestly, it never bothered me cause as much as I hate it flicking muck on the bike's underside, I was just thankful that people behind me in traffic were not getting sprayed to the extent that they'll pick a fight over it (believe me, I've had that happen to me when I rode a fiero).

      Now that the stupid thing has caused me so much trouble, I absolutely hate it and will not put it back on anyway. I am so with you on getting the metzelers over ABS cause what I've realized I need the most is wet condition grip. Not that MRF's suck at it but I do not feel they are evenly matched to the bikes power.

      thanks for keeping an eye out for my posts Splus, I am sure you'll pass on the word the way I've requested. Ride safe and let me know if you are in Pune sometime and we can plan a short ride.

      see you

      Satyam
      Ah, most bikes spray water behind, more or less. Depends on the speed the most. Can't avoid it. And the rear mud guard with number plate blocks a lot of it already.
      I'm grateful you've shared all that info, and made KTM aware of it.

      Yeah, sure, I'll probably go to Goa in some 2 months, November is rainy in TN, and could come by to Pune for a beer/coffee/ride. In random order.
      Not exactly close, but at 10k rpm it should be a few hours...

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      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

        Originally posted by splus View Post
        @DukeDey @Big bore I thought (and still do, but of course not sure) that European D200 comes with 300mm and 4 piston caliper with ABS, whereas Indian D200 comes with 280mm and 2 piston caliper. D390 basically has the same setup as European D200.
        The whole mix up about the 2 and 4 is because of many websites just copy and paste things, and for quite some time D200 was said to have 300mm discs, just because on KTM's site it says 300mm with 4 piston caliper. But this is European model. And KTM itself isn't very good in updating info at their own website(s).

        But of course - I'm not sure about this.

        I don't know about fitting it properly, if forks need to be replaced or not...
        @Big bore - at the service couple of days ago they let the air out of my brakes and they are much better now. I suggest you (and everyone) do it.
        My brakes have been gradually getting worse and worse since past year, even though the pads were in good condition.
        It looks like it's the air that needs to be let out, but maybe the pads also need to be changed before they APPEAR to be ripe for replacement.

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        Ah, most bikes spray water behind, more or less. Depends on the speed the most. Can't avoid it. And the rear mud guard with number plate blocks a lot of it already.
        I'm grateful you've shared all that info, and made KTM aware of it.

        Yeah, sure, I'll probably go to Goa in some 2 months, November is rainy in TN, and could come by to Pune for a beer/coffee/ride. In random order.
        Not exactly close, but at 10k rpm it should be a few hours...
        Sure bro thanks for the info. I will be going to svc tomorrow to get it done.
        And buddy I have this info about 4piston caliper from the brochure they gave me before booking the bike.Click image for larger version

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        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

          Originally posted by Big bore View Post
          Sure bro thanks for the info. I will be going to svc tomorrow to get it done.
          And buddy I have this info about 4piston caliper from the brochure they gave me before booking the bike.[ATTACH]113635[/ATTACH]
          I wouldn't know, we'll have to ask some competent mechanic from a SC.
          Even if you go to KTM India site it still says the front disc is 300mm, so I wouldn't really rely on any info, even if it's "official"...

          Edit: I'd love if I'm wrong, and we have a 4 piston caliper! It might easily be 4. It's just that the differences between European and Indian models have never been cleared properly...
          Last edited by splus; 08-23-2013, 08:04 PM.

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          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

            Originally posted by splus View Post
            I wouldn't know, we'll have to ask some competent mechanic from a SC.
            Even if you go to KTM India site it still says the front disc is 300mm, so I wouldn't really rely on any info, even if it's "official"...

            Edit: I'd love if I'm wrong, and we have a 4 piston caliper! It might easily be 4. It's just that the differences between European and Indian models have never been cleared properly...
            The ktm India website has some misleading information, I don't know why.
            The discs on the 200 are not 300mm as I have compared it to the 390 side by side and they clearly appeared smaller. Also the 200 has 4piston caliper for sure, I just checked one. Most probably the duke 200 which is for the international market and has abs comes with a 300mm disc.
            Looks like ktm website developers have been very lazy off late. Copy paste job, are they based in India?

            And it is mentioned x-ring chain on the brochure which apparently is not the case. Its comes with o-ring chain.

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            Its because 'Whatever it is, it's better in the wind!'

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            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

              [MENTION=63586]DukeDey[/MENTION] and [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] .

              I got the bike serviced yesterday, the second service in just 35 days of purchase.

              I was a little concerned about the front break as I felt the same, they've lost the bite. So I asked the mech to brush the pads, to my surprise when he opened it, they were worn out. So got them replaced.

              The point is, while he was doing that I saw the caliper and its a four piston.
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              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                Originally posted by Sanchit Arora View Post
                [MENTION=63586]DukeDey[/MENTION] and [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] .

                I got the bike serviced yesterday, the second service in just 35 days of purchase.

                I was a little concerned about the front break as I felt the same, they've lost the bite. So I asked the mech to brush the pads, to my surprise when he opened it, they were worn out. So got them replaced.

                The point is, while he was doing that I saw the caliper and its a four piston.
                Wtf 2nd servicing in just 35 days..??
                And u thought my 28days later 1st servicing was soon..
                How much do u ride everyday bro..??


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                • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                  Originally posted by SatyamDubey View Post
                  Hello Everybody,

                  Just a quick update. If you've seen my recent posts, you will know that I posted images of a crack in my swing arm. For those of you who missed out on it, you'll find my posts as below

                  1. First post is on page 701 (the very last post)
                  2. A couple more posts on page 702 with the pics.

                  Background: I've had my Duke for about 8 months and had a minor accident in June. The bike slipped after hitting a pot hole. I came out of that accident with badly bruised ribs but not much damage to the bike. I had a broken foot peg, a broken left mirror, a twisted clutch lever and lost the fork alignment. I immediately went to the service centre and everything was put back into place and the bike was ready for use.

                  Issue: About a week ago, I decided to remove the rear tyre hugger to clean it off as the rains have pretty much stopped here in Pune. I realised that the left bolt was struggling to come off and after removing the hugger, I saw that the swing arm has cracked around the bracket. Called up KTM and they decided to take a look. An engineer inspected my bike at the service centre and concluded that indeed the accident has caused the crack.

                  My contention was that mechanical failure should have an order to it in the sense that if impacted on, the hugger's tube and bolt should have snapped before the swing arm itself as it is one of the toughest components on a bike. However, the bolt and tube did not fail but the swing arm did.

                  Verdict: I just had a talk with the engineers and it is this part that I want you guys to take a note of and also inform others. please do not flame for or against KTM or introduce any kind of rumor or panic. Share the information that I am about to give you very responsibly. Also take into account the fact, that this may be just a one-off case after all.

                  Okay, this is what I have learned, the tyre hugger is not a feature on the European bikes. The bolt brackets for a tyre hugger(rear mud guard) have been introduced only for Indian and possibly the rest of Asian market. KTM, will now investigate whether an introduction of this additional bracket pair might result in swing arm getting weak around this point. I cannot stress this enough, It is to be investigated and is not conclusive at this point.

                  They are already replacing my swing arm with a new one. Let other owners of Dukes know that installing crash pads on their swing arms will be a great idea for safety and if possible (now that rains are over) the tyre hugger should be taken off as falling on either side may result in it cracking the swing arm brackets. Also take time to inspect the brackets and refer the pictures I uploaded if required.

                  Ride safe, stay well.

                  regards
                  -Satyam
                  Thanks for the info...will be more careful anyways I always spend a couple of minutes checking the bike after a ride to check if everything is in its place...


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                  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                    Hey guys any idea what this blue connector is..??
                    It's behind the cylinder head
                    Can't be the spark plug right..??

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                    Last edited by wallpapers123; 08-24-2013, 01:00 AM.

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                    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                      Originally posted by wallpapers123 View Post

                      Wtf 2nd servicing in just 35 days..??
                      How much do u ride everyday bro..??
                      Haha... I was free for a month, so rode the hell out of it !!!


                      Originally posted by wallpapers123 View Post
                      Hey guys any idea what this blue connector is..??
                      It's behind the cylinder head
                      Can't be the spark plug right..??
                      Don't know what that is, but not the spark plug. Spark plug is buried on top of the head !
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                      The Road Less Taken

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                      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                        Originally posted by wallpapers123 View Post
                        Thanks for the info...will be more careful anyways I always spend a couple of minutes checking the bike after a ride to check if everything is in its place...


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                        That is always a good practice. I just got into it because I have to check if the swing arm crack has progressed. Thankfully it has not, and with the kind of roads that I have to ride on, I'd say anyone else who gets in that situation can relax that it can hold it's own and it is indeed a tough component.

                        as For that blue connector I am not sure. It is not the spark plug but the 200 has 7 sensors and 10 actuators and this could likely be "Ignition pulse sensor", but I am just guessing. If it is any help, I am uploading a small DIY manual I got from KTM after I requested them to send across something which I can refer to should I want to do a maintenance check by myself.

                        Edit Note>> yeah cant upload the file as it is a pdf....will convert to pics and do it.
                        Last edited by SatyamDubey; 08-24-2013, 02:08 AM.

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                        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                          Originally posted by Sanchit Arora View Post
                          [MENTION=63586]DukeDey[/MENTION] and [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] .

                          I got the bike serviced yesterday, the second service in just 35 days of purchase.

                          I was a little concerned about the front break as I felt the same, they've lost the bite. So I asked the mech to brush the pads, to my surprise when he opened it, they were worn out. So got them replaced.

                          The point is, while he was doing that I saw the caliper and its a four piston.
                          Damn, how did you manage to worn the pads out so quickly?

                          I never use the rear brake and my riding style is usually a strong acceleration followed immediately by a strong braking, and my front pads are still OK after 7.5k km. My chain as well. Every time the SC guys tell me my front disc pads are OK I scratch my head and have to ask them if they are sure about it.

                          At the SC the other day I saw someone's rear tire worn out just in the middle, looked almost like FZ tire, pretty flat, with just 7.5k km on odo. And mine is still faaar from being worn out at same 7.5k km...

                          Strange how different riding styles affect the parts differently to such an extent...

                          Btw, I posted earlier - ask them to drain the air out the brakes. My front brake is now much better after they did that, much better bite.

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                          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                            Originally posted by splus View Post
                            Damn, how did you manage to worn the pads out so quickly?
                            Even I was surprised when I saw the pads. There's a single slit on the pads, one of the pads was in good shape, but the other one was worn out with no evidence of the slit.

                            Upon asking the mechanic and the manager for the reason of one pad being worn out, they said its a wearing component and could happen.
                            So I thought I'd replace both the pads and yes, the air was removed too.

                            The rear disc pads on my bike are like new too
                            sigpic

                            Riding isn't just a passion, it's a religion !

                            Pune - Pondicherry; Solo

                            The Road Less Taken

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                            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                              Okay here is the link to the DIY manual : DIY KTM FINAL.pdf
                              let me know if the link is broken or causing any problem.

                              good luck
                              -Satyam

                              p.s. the file is about 4.4 mb so have patience. I did not reduce the size.

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                              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                                Originally posted by splus View Post
                                At the SC the other day I saw someone's rear tire worn out just in the middle, looked almost like FZ tire, pretty flat, with just 7.5k km on odo. And mine is still faaar from being worn out at same 7.5k km...
                                Maybe the bike belonged to a stunter. Y'know, doing burnouts and stuff.
                                Sarcasm is my automatic response to stupidity.

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