Re: KTM 200 Duke

splus, waiting for your MRA windscreen pictures on the bike, along with feedback on a high speed run...

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION]
Its ur 1st servicing since the ECU remap right..??
let us know if the SVC guys get any suspicious abt it..

Another thing..my duke feels a bit weird at and above 10K rpm in 3rd or any further gears like its limited or something but the shift indicator is at 10500 since the 1st servicing...which is not rev limiter as per half of the posts in this thread..any idea abt it??
will take it to SVC this weekend..
could it be the filter needs to be cleaned...since theres a lot of dust these days as it has not rained in a while??

Re: KTM 200 Duke

I had a nice, good service of my Duke.
Guys at Khivraj SC are amazing, such a good service.

I had a "luck" that my fuel meter stopped working some weeks ago, during a trip, and it is in the same unit as a fuel pump, so it has been replaced under warranty. I anyway wanted to replace my fuel pump which was not in a good shape, very dirty, but that alone isn't good enough reason for replacement.
The bike has a cleaner and stronger pull now. The bike was heating, but I was in a heavy traffic going back, so can't really compare the heating before (where the fuel pump was problematic) and now.

SC guys said my fuel pump and even the fuel filter (which I replaced only a month and a half ago) were very dirty. Just crazy. With this fuel one needs to change a fuel filter every month!
Fuel filter is 300-400 Rs, but I changed it anyway.
I ended up not changing the oil, didn't have time to go and look for the 300v (which the SC doesn't store in stock, they only have 7100), and my 7100 oil was pretty new.
My front brake was getting real weak recently, it was just weaker and weaker since I got my Duke. The pads (as I was told) were still good for some 4k km, even though I only use front brakes, and have done 7500 km so far. So, they checked the brakes and sucked out some air that was there. I couldn't really check it yet because they oil up the pads after each service, but I will have a better feel tomorrow. If I'm not satisfied I'll change the pads, which are only some 250 Rs.

I also bought Phillips Extreme Vision headlight bulb and gave it to the guys to install it. Even there in SC they commented the light was much stronger than stock.
And later, on the road, the difference was obvious - Phillips Extreme Vision is much better than stock. Especially the low beam, which is now actually usable. It's brighter, longer, and gives more light in the middle compared to the stock one, which spreads light more to the sides but less in the middle, and has quite short throw. The high beam has pretty similar throw as the stock one, but is longer and brighter.
A pair of Phillips bulbs are expensive at 950 Rs, but, if money isn't a problem, I can easily recommend Phillips Extreme Vision as a replacement over the stock bulb. It's a simple replacement of the bulb, no warranty issues because both are H4 55/60W. Phillips is simply brighter and has a better and longer throw. If you do some night rides then go for it, you won't regret.

I was very straightforward to SC guys about the ECU remap, and it's not a problem. The guys there in SC are used to all kinds of upgrades and mods on Dukes. I saw another Duke with Leo Vince exhaust and orange frame (which didn't look that good with orange tank, I thought orange frame would have looked much better). It looks like quite a few Duke owners do some upgrades and mods with their bikes. No other bike is being upgraded and modified that much.
BTW, that Leo Vince sounds good. The owner initially said it gives some performance boost, but after few more questions he admitted the difference (and the pleasure derived) is mostly just in the sound. It's Rs 35k btw, which is quite expensive, IMO.
The ECU remap technically voids the engine warranty, and also the electricals. Bike warranty is 2 years, but electricals are only 1 year.
However, I asked how many Dukes in Bangalore have had engine problems so far (since the beginning, in last year and half), and the guy said they've never had any engine problems, ever. Not even on one bike. Ever. It's quite reassuring to hear that!
So, as far as worries about engine warranty and ECU remap go - not having an engine warranty isn't really an issue, it's more of a "theoretical" possibility that something wrong could happen.
As for other parts (like fuel filter, etc) - it's definitely worth to have warranty!

I know some Duke owners have mentioned they had tough experiences with SC people. I'll just say that I am always easy, fun and friendly to SC people. I treat them as my buddies, and in return they are friendly to me and willing to help. I've always had a great experience in few KTM SCs I've been. If anyone has problems with SC people - here's mu advice: try to make them be on your side by first being on their side. It really helps.

As for the speed limiter - from what I have heard from a guy who knows Duke pretty well - Duke 200 does NOT have any separate speed limiter, only ECU rev limiter that limits the revs at 10,000 / 10,500 rpm. Duke 125, on the other hand, DOES have a speed limiter separate from ECU rev limiter.
Anyway, I think we can leave all that speed limit hoopla behind us. It looks like all the speed limits have been only the limits of a road, wind, rider and each individual bike. Or in people's heads...
And the only thing that's obvious is that gear shifting red indicator light, which is JUST a light. I actually never pay any attention to it any more... It is usually adjusted by SC to some crazy low values on delivery and then again changed at crazy high values at 1st service. However, anyone can changed it to whatever value, it's nicely described how to do it in owner's manual. Looks like this light is creating more confusion than it's helping...

As for Kiirus ECU - on Friday I will have another trip, and I will have a chance to check the top speed again, hopefully with less wind. I'll get the 40T sprocket tomorrow, but I'm not sure if I want to fit it straight away. I'd like to check the top speed with my stock 43T sprocket first, and compare the top end power of stock vs Kiirus ECU. I'm curious about it. Low and mid power is definitely stronger in Kiirus map, but I'm not sure about the top end power, let's say exactly at 10k rpm. Due to a bad fuel pump my bike wasn't running well last weeks, but now is perfect, so will be able to give it a proper and fair test.

I'm fitting the MRA windscreen tomorrow, and will post plenty of photos. Will do some short ride test as well, but I'll do the full on, fast and furious and long highway ride on Friday.
I'm curious about the adjustment possibilities since the screen can be set in different angles, which I will have to experiment with... I've read somewhere that the best result was when screen was adjusted to fully cover the body, but leave the head/helmet fully open to wind blast.
I also just realized I will need a number plate sticker for it!

Few interesting facts I've heard:
There's 1900 Dukes in Bangalore. Not bad...

So far, in all this time, only one Duke has been stolen in Bangalore (and been found a month later), and that was by breaking the wheel lock completely. Which means that Duke's laser cut key is pretty safe.

I don't k now if this is known, but apparently, from what I have heard, the production of Pulsar 150 has been stopped. I'm not a big fan of Pulsar, but I have to give the credit where it is due - it'is the Pulsar 150 that has started it all. Rest in peace P150, you'll be remembered as a legend.
BTW, Pulsar 180 will supposedly live on.
Fully faired Pulsar 375 will come out in some 6 months, more or less, and will be cheaper than D390.
It looks like Bajaj is pushing Pulsar brand to higher capacity bikes. 150 cc bikes are now officially being demoted from a performance to a commuter category.
KTM has pushed Bajaj to up the game, and that's what they are doing. With Duke 200 and 390, CBR250, and Ninja 250 and 300 the "performance bike" boundaries have been shifted big time.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Splus,....Very good write up .... The SVC saying that the Fuel filter is dirty is because of the decomposed Petrol staining and forming a coating all over..I hope you have cleaned the Tank and fuel circuit.....if not expect the fuel filter to be fouled again from residual left overs from the Tank....Good to know that the D200 does not have any speed sensor based limiter..
Thanks for the all the info shared..
Have a good day..

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Will system G be of any help?. I haven't seen anything mentioned on their website about using it in FI bikes.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Can someone suggest a good off road or dual purpose tyre for taking the duke to leh. ?
i know people have done it with the stock tyres, but mine is around 10k kms old and doesn't inspire much confidence so.
I will be leaving in 15 days, will it be a good enough time for the tyre to break in ?

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thats a good write up Splus. Regarding the Leo Vince exhaust that you mentioned, next in line mod for me is the exhaust system. We had a word with Vikram, and he explained how we can make an exhaust system using Leo Vince, and his pipes. That should give a good performance gain. I am just waiting for shv's mods to get over. If the mods on his bike is very good, I shall take the plunge.

Also, Abhimanyu suggested best way to start hot rodding would be with the Exhaust, then the filter and finally the ECU. Nice to have such knowledgeable people guiding us here.

The exhaust systems will not give performance bump with the DB killer on. On shv's bike, the moment Vikram removed the DB killer there was noticeable performance gain along with sound. But the best part is the quality of sound will not deteriorate with time, as the fibre glass stuff inside the exhaust lasts longer.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Some really nice piece of info there. Its good to see this thread so active performance mod wise.

I have posted this before, even I want to go for an aftermarket exhaust. I have done my part of research on them. The akrapovic looks best to me aesthetically but there is no way we'll get that in india?

"Leo vince with his pipes"
What did you actually mean by the above lines? Were you referring to header pipe and the mid pipe made by motozone coupled with leo vince slip on?
Would it involve welding? If yes then I would stay away from it. I want a setup like sbk slip ons which just replaces the stock setup without welding or any other hassles so that I can switch to stock whenever I want to.

If you can enquire that only the slip on installation would need any welding or is it a plug and play job.

Thanks in advance.
Gaurav

Re: KTM 200 Duke


Gaurav, from what Vikram explained, they have to remove the Catcon (the big black box before the exhaust). Hence they would use their header pipe, and then use Leo Vince can at the end. Let me talk to him this weekend and get the exact plan of action. Will keep you updated.

The reason for doing this was, I needed an exhaust system for 15k. 35k was too much for Leo Vince. and this work around would keep the cost down with added performance.

I guess Shv and Abhimanyu too were ok with the plan when he explained.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

How would this reduce the cost? Is 35k that they ask for the leo vince a full system?
I was thinking of keeping the catcon as I not looking for a performance mod but rather a better sounding bike but then would it sound as good with the catcon intact?
If answer to both the questions above is yes, that is 35k for the full system and a slip on sounding good enough with the Catcon intact, then how much would only the end can from leo vince cost?

Thanks,
Gaurav

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Guys help me out. Can someone post the speeds of the duke at individual rpms say 4k, 5k, etc upto 8k or rev-limit. My NS's new sprocket ratio is 39/13 = 3.00 as opposed to 39/14, which is nearly the same as duke.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Duke 200s secondary drive ratio is 42/14, huge difference from 39/14.
A 39/14 would be more like 42/15.

The 42/14 is the same as ns' s 39/13

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Re: KTM 200 Duke

Akrapovic is available in India, BTW. I forgot the name of the shop/company that's selling it (heard it yesterday in SC from Leo Vince guy), but I'll try to find it out.

Next post some photos of MRA RNB windscreen! I just put it up...
Looks good!

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Man, are you serious? Please track down the source. I have been trying to lay my hands on one for the last 6 months.
I have spoken to some sellers trying to sell me akra slip ons meant for other bikes.
Do ask him if he is sure about it being the one meant for dukes?

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I actually meant the same thing that you said.
Anyway, duke's stock gearing: 42 or 43/14
NS's stock gearing: 39/14
MY NS's gearing: 39/13, which is now almost the same as duke's stock gearing.
That's why I wanted to know the speeds.