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  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

    This is MRA RNB windscreen, grey/smoke color, which is a perfect choice, IMO.
    It is available in clear, grey/smoke, black. Black is fully black, not transparent. Dimensions are 38.5 cm (H) x 36.5 cm (W).
    MRA is a German company, the world's leading manufacturer of quality windscreens.
    RNB stands for Racing Naked Bike. It is made for modern naked bikes, and is supported with bars which are fitted to handlebars. All very solid.
    Windscreen is made of unscratchable, unbreakable, chemicals resistant material. In short - top of the class quality.
    For some photos of many other big bikes with MRA RNB windscreen and video of assembling the windscreen see this: http://www.bikehps.com/mra/racingscreen_naked.html

    You can get the windscreen from JV Promoto in Mumbai.
    It costs Rs 8,000, including shipping.

    Contact details:
    Mr. Vikas Malhotra
    JV PROMOTO
    Mob: 09619866133
    Email: [email protected]
    Website: Jvpromoto::.


    The windscreen came packed up very solidly in a big box, with lots of cardboard inside. Safe shipping.

    After opening there were quite a few screws and holders and clamps, but within 5 min you get hold of what is what. Diagram is provided but you'll need 3 different allen keys. Two of them are available in Duke's toolbox, but one (medium size) isn't.

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    Putting it all together for the first time takes few tries until you figure out how to turn every clamp and fitting, but then it's pretty straightforward and takes some 20 min.
    But, once all the parts are put together it takes only few minutes to put up the windscreen or take it off.
    However, you need to take out Duke's stock "windscreen", which is just unscrewing 4 allen screws.
    The only little hiccup while fitting it was that the main 2 clamps that go onto the handle bars are slightly too tight. In fact, they are probably perfect, but Duke's handlebar gets bent quite closely to the middle where the clamps need to be put, so that's probably the reason the handlebar seems just slightly too wide. Little bit of tightening, and it can be sorted out, it's not a problem.

    Once fitted, the screen fits very nicely. The bottom part isn't rock solid fixed, it could be lifted with a strong hand pull, however I still have to tighten those few allen screws (didn't have a right allen key) so it should hold tight. But, the bottom part is also rounded towards the inside, so I'm pretty sure it will hold well at any speed.

    I only did a short ride with top speed of 100 kmh.
    I just want to mention that you can adjust the angle of the windscreen. You can't really lower it more than it is in photos because the speedo gets in the way at the bottom (unless you're OK that bottom of screen is slightly separated from the bike, which actually isn't a big deal), but you can set it up higher, more vertical. In that case at higher speeds it would block more wind and raise it higher. However, it would also create more air resistance, so would probably slightly slow the bike down.

    Anyway, just from the short ride - it's quite a different experience from stock Duke. There's no wind blast on the body. At all. Even if you're going 100 kmh it feels as if you're going easy and slower than without windscreen. Feels more like riding a sports bike. The bike felt more planted and safer, and the feel was of a faster sports bike.
    Actually, photos don't do it a justice - the bike with the screen looks really good! My CBR250 friend said he likes it much more than a stock Duke. It looks little closer to a sports bike. Just add a fairing and you'll have a super duper looking sports bike! Duke's rear already looks like a good looking sports bike, and the bike performs like one. And when you pull ahead strongly and rev it close to 12k rpm with Kiirus ECU... Man!!!

    At around 80 kmh the whole body is protected, but you get a slight wind blast starting from the top of shoulders. At 100 kmh the wind blast starts from the middle of throat. So, the whole body is protected.
    I reckon at 120-130 kmh the wind blast would cut somewhere at the bottom of the helmet. Which is perfect!

    I'll have a highway ride with high speeds day after tomorrow and will update about the wind blast protection, and more so about the feel and how the windscreen affects the plantedness of the bike at high speeds. Stock Duke is perfectly stable at high speeds, but it does feel too light, like it needs more weight to keep it more planted. I hope the windscreen will help this.

    From a very short ride today - it looks like it's going to be a fantastic help in high speeds!


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    Last edited by splus; 08-22-2013, 02:44 AM.

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    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

      Anybody managed to fit a center stand on the 200 Duke? I'm eying on a used 200 Duke and I'd like a center stand on it.
      I am back!

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      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

        [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] can you mention the exact model number of the Philips Xtreme Vision H4 bulb? Btw the Windscreen looks effective, so give us a small review when you get time

        cheers! ride safe
        2012 KTM Duke 200 ...Pure Love on two wheels <3

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        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

          [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] can you share the details of the windscreen and from where u bought it?
          And also a small review of how it fares also please...

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          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

            Originally posted by Aditya N Bharadwaj View Post
            I actually meant the same thing that you said.
            Anyway, duke's stock gearing: 42 or 43/14
            NS's stock gearing: 39/14
            MY NS's gearing: 39/13, which is now almost the same as duke's stock gearing.
            That's why I wanted to know the speeds.
            Oh! It was not very clear before. I would check and let you know the speed and rpm at which it manages the speed.
            Why 2wheels over 4.....
            Its because 'Whatever it is, it's better in the wind!'

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            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

              Originally posted by Evander_F View Post
              [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] can you mention the exact model number of the Philips Xtreme Vision H4 bulb? Btw the Windscreen looks effective, so give us a small review when you get time

              cheers! ride safe
              I guess there is no exact model number. Whatever you have mentioned is good enough. "Philips xtreme vision H4"
              You would be able to find it using this name.


              Sent from my GT-I9100
              Why 2wheels over 4.....
              Its because 'Whatever it is, it's better in the wind!'

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              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                BTW, I got the paid bike service invoice by email, and I just saw that the "fine fuel filter" is only 96 Rs. Man, I'll be replacing it every time I'm close to SC!
                Paid service itself is 550 Rs, for those who are interested...

                Originally posted by Aditya N Bharadwaj View Post
                Guys help me out. Can someone post the speeds of the duke at individual rpms say 4k, 5k, etc upto 8k or rev-limit. My NS's new sprocket ratio is 39/13 = 3.00 as opposed to 39/14, which is nearly the same as duke.
                Well, it's just little bit of mathematics really...
                Duke cuts off at 142 kmh at 10,500 rpm in 6th gear with 42T sprocket (at 139 kmh with 43T).
                Divide 142 with 10.5 and then multiply with the 4, 5, 6, etc, to get the speeds at those rpms.

                Duke's speeds in 6th gear with 42T sprocket:

                4k rpm - 54.1 kmh
                5k rpm - 67.6 kmh
                6k rpm - 81.1 kmh
                7k rpm - 94.6 kmh
                8k rpm - 108.2 kmh
                9k rpm - 121.7 kmh
                10k rpm - 135.23 kmh
                11k rpm - 148.7 kmh (Kiirus ECU)
                11.65k rpm - 157.5 kmh (Kiirus ECU, although, I doubt this would be achievable, at least with 42T sprocket)

                HOWEVER, the speedo on Duke is much more accurate than on 200NS. Just to give you an example, I've read somewhere Duke 200 and CBR250 were riding next to each other, and Duke was showing 137 kmh while CBR250 was showing 143 kmh.
                So, 135 kmh on Duke's speedo would be 140-145 kmh on 200NS's speedo...


                Originally posted by DukeDey View Post
                Man, are you serious? Please track down the source. I have been trying to lay my hands on one for the last 6 months.
                I have spoken to some sellers trying to sell me akra slip ons meant for other bikes.
                Do ask him if he is sure about it being the one meant for dukes?
                Yup. I forgot the name of the shop/company, but the SC guy was with me, and I think he remembered it. I'll call him up tomorrow and will let you know.


                Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                Thats a good write up Splus. Regarding the Leo Vince exhaust that you mentioned, next in line mod for me is the exhaust system. We had a word with Vikram, and he explained how we can make an exhaust system using Leo Vince, and his pipes. That should give a good performance gain. I am just waiting for shv's mods to get over. If the mods on his bike is very good, I shall take the plunge.

                Also, Abhimanyu suggested best way to start hot rodding would be with the Exhaust, then the filter and finally the ECU. Nice to have such knowledgeable people guiding us here.

                The exhaust systems will not give performance bump with the DB killer on. On shv's bike, the moment Vikram removed the DB killer there was noticeable performance gain along with sound. But the best part is the quality of sound will not deteriorate with time, as the fibre glass stuff inside the exhaust lasts longer.
                You might want to call Abhishek from Kiirus, of check his FB page for some photos, and maybe even videos with sound. https://www.facebook.com/KIIRUSAUTOSPORTS
                They developed a custom performance exhaust. Should be much cheaper but very good performing. First version wasn't very pretty, but I think they mentioned the newer version should look better.
                I haven't talked about it with Abhishek, this is only from what I've seen on their FB page.


                Originally posted by Evander_F View Post
                @splus can you mention the exact model number of the Philips Xtreme Vision H4 bulb? Btw the Windscreen looks effective, so give us a small review when you get time

                cheers! ride safe
                Phillips Xtreme Vision H4 55/60W. Simple as that.
                It's real good, btw. Today evening I had some more ride and it does make a big difference.


                Originally posted by Junaid View Post
                @splus can you share the details of the windscreen and from where u bought it?
                And also a small review of how it fares also please...

                Sent from my GT-P3100 using xBhp Connect mobile app
                I just updated my windscreen post with more info, including the contact details, but also initial impressions from a short ride at speed of 100 kmh. Real good!
                I'll post the updated changes here as well:

                This is MRA RNB windscreen, grey/smoke color, which is a perfect choice, IMO.
                It is available in clear, grey/smoke, black. Black is fully black, not transparent. Dimensions are 38.5 cm (H) x 36.5 cm (W).
                MRA is a German company, the world leading manufacturer of quality windscreens.
                RNB stands for Racing Naked Bike. It is made for modern naked bikes, and is held by bars fitted to handlebars.
                Windscreen is made of unscratchable, unbreakable, chemicals resistant material. In short - top of the class quality.
                For some photos of many other bikes with RNB windscreen and video of assembling the windscreen see this: MRA Racing Screen | Windshield for Naked Bikes | Motorcycles | Motorbikes

                You can get the windscreen from JV Promoto in Mumbai.

                It costs Rs 8,000, including shipping.

                Contact details:
                Mr. Vikas Malhotra
                JV PROMOTO
                Mob: 09619866133
                Email: [email protected]
                Website: Jvpromoto::.


                I only did a short ride with short top speed of 100 kmh.
                I just want to mention that you can adjust the angle of the windscreen. You can't really lower it more than it is in photos because the speedo gets in the way in the bottom, but you can set it up higher. In that case at higher speeds it would block more wind and raise it higher. However, it would also create more air resistance, so would probably slightly slow the bike down.

                Anyway, just from the short ride - it's quite a different experience from stock Duke. There's no wind blast on the body. At all. Even if you're going 100 kmh it feels as if you're going easy and slower than without windscreen. Feels more like riding a sports bike. The bike felt more planted and safer, and the feel was of a faster sports bike.
                Actually, photos don't do it a justice - the bike with the screen looks really good! My CBR250 friend said he likes it much more than a stock Duke. It looks little closer to a sports bike. Just add a fairing and you'll have a super duper looking sports bike! Duke's rear already looks like a good looking sports bike, and the bike performs like one. And when you pull ahead strongly and rev it close to 12k rpm with Kiirus ECU... Man!!!

                At around 80 kmh the whole body is protected, but you get a slight wind blast starting from the top of the shoulders. At 100 kmh the wind blast starts from the middle of the throat. So, the whole body is protected.
                I reckon at 120-130 kmh the wind blast would cut somewhere at the bottom of the helmet. Which is perfect!

                I'll have a highway ride with high speeds day after tomorrow and will update about the wind blast protection, and more so about the feel and how the windscreen affects the plantedness of the bike at high speeds. Stock Duke is perfectly stable at high speeds, but it does feel too light, like it needs more weight to keep it more planted. I hope the windscreen will help this.

                From a very short ride today - it looks like it's going to be a fantastic help in high speeds!
                Last edited by splus; 08-22-2013, 02:08 AM.

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                • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                  [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] and [MENTION=63459]Sanchit Arora[/MENTION]
                  Could you guys tell how much both widscreens measure in length?
                  Also sanchit, how is the windblast protection offered? I.e till chest/chin/head level?
                  [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION], the kiirus exhaust is too LOUD.period.
                  Last edited by ynike99; 08-22-2013, 01:43 AM.
                  Motorcycling heals, big time...

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                  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                    Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
                    @splus and @Sanchit Arora
                    Could you guys tell how much both widscreens measure in length?
                    Also sanchit, how is the windblast protection offered? I.e till chest/chin/head level?
                    @chinmayakar, the kiirus exhaust is too LOUD.period.
                    I just updated the post. It's 38.5 cm (H) x 36.5 cm (W). So, it's pretty wide to cover the entire body...

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                    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                      Originally posted by splus View Post
                      I just updated the post. It's 38.5 cm (H) x 36.5 cm (W). So, it's pretty wide to cover the entire body...
                      Glad that the suggested aftermarket screen is working out for you. It is worth the money you have paid. abhimanyu31 has also got hold off an MRA windscreen for his Ninja 300R and it looks beautiful.

                      Just two small cents, before you do go out on a high speed run:

                      * Ensure that all the allen keys are torqued properly. You don't want undue vibrations or the wind screen altering its position at high speeds.
                      * When going above 110 kmph purely for high speed runs, if the rider tucks in slightly behind the wind screen then the protection from windblast is much higher.
                      * I don't think this will alter the top speed but will make the overall experience of riding on highways for long distance rides very pleasurable. The constant whiplash from wind at high speeds really tires one out by the end of say 300 - 500 kms of journey. This screen is specifically for riders who want to enjoy long distance rides.


                      All the best..

                      Cheers,
                      A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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                      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                        Do let us know if the screen affects acceleration. The windscreen though protects the rider from the wind blast, but if not installed or designed properly can also act as a wall. Do let us know if you experience anything of that sort. Reminds me of Avengers wind screen, which acts like a wall when you ride fast, and causes acceleration drop as well as FE drop.

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                        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                          Originally posted by splus View Post
                          Well, it's just little bit of mathematics really...
                          Duke cuts off at 142 kmh at 10,500 rpm in 6th gear with 42T sprocket (at 139 kmh with 43T).
                          Divide 142 with 10.5 and then multiply with the 4, 5, 6, etc, to get the speeds at those rpms.

                          Duke's speeds in 6th gear with 42T sprocket:

                          4k rpm - 54.1 kmh
                          5k rpm - 67.6 kmh
                          6k rpm - 81.1 kmh
                          7k rpm - 94.6 kmh
                          8k rpm - 108.2 kmh
                          9k rpm - 121.7 kmh
                          10k rpm - 135.23 kmh
                          11k rpm - 148.7 kmh (Kiirus ECU)
                          11.65k rpm - 157.5 kmh (Kiirus ECU, although, I doubt this would be achievable, at least with 42T sprocket)

                          HOWEVER, the speedo on Duke is much more accurate than on 200NS. Just to give you an example, I've read somewhere Duke 200 and CBR250 were riding next to each other, and Duke was showing 137 kmh while CBR250 was showing 143 kmh.
                          So, 135 kmh on Duke's speedo would be 140-145 kmh on 200NS's speedo...
                          Yep, my new speeds are exactly the same.
                          Regarding the accuracy, you're right. But why are my indicated speeds no different from yours? With same primary and secondary gear ratios and 10% error in my speedo, there should be a difference.
                          Duke still has better acceleration though.
                          And nice windscreen you're got there.
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                          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                            Guys, I went to Hero SC, but they sell Karizma's 40T sprocket only in a set with chain and front sprocket for 990 Rs.
                            That's a lot for just a rear sprocket.
                            And I'm quite liking the acceleration of my 43T sprocket so I'm having a doubt now - whether to go for 40T and lose some (or a lot???) acceleration but gain high speed rideability, or to rather go for Duke's 42T by replacing the chain and sprockets early. Which would be marginal loss of acceleration and marginal gain of speed per rpm.

                            What do you think and suggest?
                            I like travelling and touring, but most of my ride is city/town and short distances...

                            Originally posted by shv18 View Post
                            Glad that the suggested aftermarket screen is working out for you. It is worth the money you have paid. abhimanyu31 has also got hold off an MRA windscreen for his Ninja 300R and it looks beautiful.

                            Just two small cents, before you do go out on a high speed run:

                            * Ensure that all the allen keys are torqued properly. You don't want undue vibrations or the wind screen altering its position at high speeds.
                            * When going above 110 kmph purely for high speed runs, if the rider tucks in slightly behind the wind screen then the protection from windblast is much higher.
                            * I don't think this will alter the top speed but will make the overall experience of riding on highways for long distance rides very pleasurable. The constant whiplash from wind at high speeds really tires one out by the end of say 300 - 500 kms of journey. This screen is specifically for riders who want to enjoy long distance rides.

                            All the best..

                            Cheers,
                            You're right. It's at the long 120+ kmh trips that such a windscreen will shine.
                            The problem with Duke and tucking in is that the seat is very close to handlebars.
                            With this screen you don't be able to fully tuck in unless you sit at the rear seat.
                            If you sit normally and try to tuck in, the top edge of the screen will touch around the top of the visor. It's around half helmet that will be above the screen.

                            I'll give it a thorough test tomorrow...

                            Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                            Do let us know if the screen affects acceleration. The windscreen though protects the rider from the wind blast, but if not installed or designed properly can also act as a wall. Do let us know if you experience anything of that sort. Reminds me of Avengers wind screen, which acts like a wall when you ride fast, and causes acceleration drop as well as FE drop.
                            Well, if I'll judge by that short 100 kmh ride then it seems that the acceleration has also improved.
                            Seriously, the bike felt more focused and easier to reach the higher speed.
                            Actually, now that I think, that's perfectly logical. You sit on Duke with fully upright seating position, and the screen very nicely cuts the air. Helmet is already aerodynamical, so it's not a problem it's exposed.
                            Try to compare the acceleration when you're sitting fully upright and fully tucked in. There will be a difference.

                            It looks like that the current windscreen position is perfect. If it's placed higher then yes, I can imagine the wind resistance becoming too high.

                            Oh yes, I forgot to say that at 100 kmh there was absolutely zero vibrations. Nothing.

                            The bike felt really, really good with the screen! It felt faster but with more control.
                            I'll do thorough tests, but if those few minutes of 100 kmh ride are any indication - this windscreen will help a bike to be faster and more planted. Those who have ridden a sports bike - the ride experience gets closer to a sports bike. Not entirely, but closer. While retaining Duke's character...

                            Originally posted by Aditya N Bharadwaj View Post
                            Yep, my new speeds are exactly the same.
                            Regarding the accuracy, you're right. But why are my indicated speeds no different from yours? With same primary and secondary gear ratios and 10% error in my speedo, there should be a difference.
                            Duke still has better acceleration though.
                            And nice windscreen you're got there.
                            Hm, I wouldn't know...
                            Duke also has a speedo error, some 2-3%.
                            Maybe there's some more factors that we're not aware of in the entire drivetrain that affect the speed?
                            Rear tire profile is almost identical - Duke is 150/60 and 200NS is 130/70.

                            BTW, how do you find the difference between your old setup and the new one?
                            Is the difference in acceleration small or quite noticeable?
                            I know it's a different bike but it's a similar sprocket change I'm thinking of, and would be interesting to hear your opinion coming from a taller to a shorter sprocket...

                            I'm not sure whether to put 40T at the back instead of my current 43T. That's 7.5% taller, which should be almost the same difference as in your new and old setups (but the other way around).
                            But I'm not sure I want to lose the acceleration...
                            Last edited by splus; 08-22-2013, 01:33 PM.

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                            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                              Originally posted by splus View Post
                              Guys, I went to Hero SC, but they sell Karizma's 40T sprocket only in a set with chain and front sprocket for 990 Rs.
                              That's a lot for just a rear sprocket.
                              And I'm quite liking the acceleration of my 43T sprocket so I'm having a doubt now - whether to go for 40T and lose some (or a lot???) acceleration but gain high speed rideability, or to rather go for Duke's 42T by replacing the chain and sprockets early. Which would be marginal loss of acceleration and marginal gain of speed per rpm.

                              What do you think and suggest?
                              I like travelling and touring, but most of my ride is city/town and short distances.
                              Aravind, your best bet would be a pulsars sprocket(200/220) which is a direct fit.I have rode a 39t bike, and trust me, theres none of the dukes character in that bike.City riding will be oh so boring experience.Bike wont move from 2nd gear as it lunges now.Where it shines is post 40-50kmph, on highway, but still its not "fun".Even i was contemplating a sprocket change, but ill stick to 43, now that its available on demand in some svcs.What you can do is, ask around any mech for a used pulsars rear sprocket in decent condition and try it on your bike. This way, even if you dont like it, you can always revert back to old setup.But if you ride bike daily, and seldom for rides, then 40t isnt for you.it just doesnt feel like you are riding the duke.


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                              Last edited by ynike99; 08-22-2013, 10:39 PM.
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                              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                                Originally posted by splus View Post
                                Guys, I went to Hero SC, but they sell Karizma's 40T sprocket only in a set with chain and front sprocket for 990 Rs.
                                That's a lot for just a rear sprocket.
                                And I'm quite liking the acceleration of my 43T sprocket so I'm having a doubt now - whether to go for 40T and lose some (or a lot???) acceleration but gain high speed rideability, or to rather go for Duke's 42T by replacing the chain and sprockets early. Which would be marginal loss of acceleration and marginal gain of speed per rpm.

                                What do you think and suggest?
                                I like travelling and touring, but most of my ride is city/town and short distances...

                                I'm not sure whether to put 40T at the back instead of my current 43T. That's 7.5% taller, which should be almost the same difference as in your new and old setups (but the other way around).
                                But I'm not sure I want to lose the acceleration...
                                IF you just ride in City more than 75%, then don't go for the 40T. BUT, if your rides are even 50-50 with City and Highway, then go for the 40T. Also if you go for the 40T, you will NEED the karizma chain, the stock one wont fit.

                                Originally posted by ynike99 View Post
                                Aravind, iirc the karizmas rear sprocket is 6 holed unlike ours which has 4 holes.your best bet would be a pulsars sprocket(200/220) which is a direct fit.I have rode a 39t bike, and trust me, theres none of the dukes character in that bike.City riding will be oh so boring experience.Bike wont move from 2nd gear as it lunges now.Where it shines is post 40-50kmph, on highway, but still its not "fun".Even i was contemplating a sprocket change, but ill stick to 43, now that its available on demand in some svcs.What you can do is, ask around any mech for a used pulsars rear sprocket in decent condition and try it on your bike. This way, even if you dont like it, you can always revert back to old setup.But if you ride bike daily, and seldom for rides, then 40t isnt for you.it just doesnt feel like you are riding the duke.


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                                Karizma rear sprocket and pulsar and the duke's are interchangeable. I have tried all 3. Also the 220 has a rear sprocket of 36T. That would be too much of a small sprocket. The 200 has 38T which would be best with atleast 30 bhp in a duke. The 180 UG4 has 39T and that too is a tad too long, thus the karizma's 40T would be much better.
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