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**abhayshanu** · 08-23-2013, 01:52 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

are those philips diamond vision n if yes than how is there visibility???

No these are not halogen bulbs. These are H4-3 Xenon HID bulbs at 5000k temperature. Amazing visibility. Atleast, and I do say atleast twice as better than stock.

**sanjana k** · 08-23-2013, 01:57 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

I feel philips extreme vision is not very appropriate for guys who ride a lot in city as last week i installed extreme vision on my duke and i immediately realized that extreme visions beam n visibility is much better than stock duke 200 bulbs.Extreme vision is of great use on highways where there is no street light and lights of other vehicles are also less, but in city where there is street light n light of other vehicles the yellow light of extreme vision gets sumwat lost and is not very effective. I feel the bluish-whitish light will do a good job in city as ystd night when i was returning back from office on my duke there was a honda unicorn which was moving exactly next to me and it had that typical whitish/bluish light n i realized that the visibility which were offered by his lights were much more than mine. So i feel those bluish/whitish lights are more practical for our daily night rides. So i am planning to install the philips diamond vision 2moro, am i doing the right thing???? pleaze guys do reply

**krashnburn** · 08-23-2013, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by splus View Post

Few interesting facts I've heard:
There's 1900 Dukes in Bangalore. Not bad...

So far, in all this time, only one Duke has been stolen in Bangalore (and been found a month later), and that was by breaking the wheel lock completely. Which means that Duke's laser cut key is pretty safe.

**splus** · 08-23-2013, 03:51 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=41871]ynike99[/MENTION] [MENTION=27499]abhayshanu[/MENTION] [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] [MENTION=55394]Aditya N Bharadwaj[/MENTION] - Guys, thanks for the valuable input on the sprockets!

I've realized that 40T might be easier on easy highway rides, it will also slow down the overtakings. With stock 43/42T sprockets quick overtakings in any gear are just a quick twist of a throttle away. Taller sprocket might slow that down...
And in city rides the shorter sprocket definitely fares better...
So, I'll let go of the 40T sprocket change, and will change to stock 42T in a few thousand of km when my chain is ripe for replacement. Change from 43T to 42T will give it a slight bump towards the higher top speed without sacrificing the acceleration.

I've also had an opportunity to do few 80-110 kmh short rides today with my new windscreen, and it's just a bliss to be able to quickly accelerate. The thing is that now when I ride at 100 kmh it feels more or less the same as riding at 80 kmh without the windscreen, just because there's less wind blast on the body. The bike feels more pointed, focused, and you're simply able to ride faster than before.
The windscreen combined with fantastic acceleration of Kiirus ECU definitely added a bit of SBK feeling - the bike accelerates fast and cuts through the air efficiently.
I initially had an intention of putting up the screen only when I do longer travels, but more and more I am realizing how great it is even in 80+ kmh rides.

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

An update from my side after riding Kiirus remap and stock sprocket. The climate here has been good for last couple of days giving ample oppurtunity to ride my heart out.

Acceleration is blazing fast. 100 appears in a very short time on the speedo, and today at a very short stretch could hit 135. The pull is so strong, I find it a bit difficult to pull the clutch lever when I try to shift at higher rpm.

I sometimes feel scared, everything happens so quick. I am still learning with this bike. Never before have I felt scared riding a bike. I wouldn't touch sprockets on this bike. Just love the experience in city and on highways.

With the remap, while riding in city, it has become possible now to hold on to any gear for a bit longer as against the stock setup where you need to get on to 6th ASAP. Remap has made it smooth without sacrificing the fun factor.

Completely gone bonkers with this bike. Also, spoke to KTM Seawoods and they were more than happy to help me replace existing coolant with Engine Ice. Hope Engine Ice helps in keeping temperatures down, that would be a boon.

Hah, scared?

But I thought you had a beefed up P220 before Duke? Didn't it have a strong acceleration as well?

I am also very happy with performance now after the service. My bike runs now soooo much better and cleaner, pulls like crazy! And the crazy pull doesn't stop! At the back of my mind I kinda expect it will pull like crazy only up to 80-90 kmh, but holly s..t, it just doesn't stop and I'm needing strong brakes now more than before!

Yes, that extra 1.5k rpm means so much! I don't hit the rev limiter any more, but I do now go up to 11-11.5k rpm sometimes when blasting off from traffic or doing blitz overtakings. Before, the rev limiter would come in the way, I would often have to upshift to complete a short blitz overtaking because I run out of revs. Not any more. And everything happens much faster.
The windscreen adds to a much more efficient higher speed, the bike feels more bullet-like, focused, planted. Higher speeds feel easier than before.

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

I feel philips extreme vision is not very appropriate for guys who ride a lot in city as last week i installed extreme vision on my duke and i immediately realized that extreme visions beam n visibility is much better than stock duke 200 bulbs.Extreme vision is of great use on highways where there is no street light and lights of other vehicles are also less, but in city where there is street light n light of other vehicles the yellow light of extreme vision gets sumwat lost and is not very effective. I feel the bluish-whitish light will do a good job in city as ystd night when i was returning back from office on my duke there was a honda unicorn which was moving exactly next to me and it had that typical whitish/bluish light n i realized that the visibility which were offered by his lights were much more than mine. So i feel those bluish/whitish lights are more practical for our daily night rides. So i am planning to install the philips diamond vision 2moro, am i doing the right thing???? pleaze guys do reply

I know many people like bluish lights, but I wouldn't agree the actual light is stronger.
In fact, yes, the light is "stronger", but the visibility is not.

You can get one of those bluish led flashlights (not white like LED light on smartphones, but bluish) and compare them with warm white ones. The bluish light will be blinding if you point it to your eyes, it's a very strong light beam. It feels like a much stronger "light source". However, what you will be able to see in front of your eyes when you compare the two, is that the warm white will give better visibility to our eyes, you will be able to see more than with bluish light.

The reason is simple - our eyes are used to see best with sunlight, which is warm white. If we, the humanity, spend next several hundreds/thousands of years mostly in neon lights environment then our genes and eyes will get used to that light and work best with bluish light.
However, at the moment, it's for a very good reason why all stock lights come at that temperature.

In short - bluish light will feel stronger, and maybe it is, but the visibility it gives is actually weaker than a warm white light.

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Originally posted by krashnburn View Post

I had read the last 20 - 30 pages of this thread and found some very interesting information about the Duke 200. It’s really heartwarming to see a strong community build up so fast for a motorcycle launched a little more than a year ago with no TV ads (from what I am aware of).

I wish this was true however it isn't. Yours truly lost a Duke 200 in December 2012 after using it for barely 7 months. Slightly disappointed, I tried to file an FIR which the “ever helpful” public servants tried to dodge. Eventually someone I knew was kind enough to call someone he knew and he was kind enough to call the police station and sounded off some choice words. Eventually after a little more running about, I got an FIR filed after 5 days of the theft.

6 months went by briskly (not) while I used my ever trusty Avenger 180. Recently I recovered the insurance claim from HDFC Ergo just a few days before the Duke 390’s booking started. What happened next? Your guess is as good as mine.

Sorry to hear that.
I guess D200 wasn't meant to be for you... But, from what you said it looks like D390 is totally meant to be for you!
Good luck!

BTW, I always use additional disc lock when I leave my bike somewhere in open, unprotected space. Which I store under the back seat, so it's easy to use it. Better safe than sorry.

**shv18** · 08-23-2013, 04:01 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

An update from my side after riding Kiirus remap and stock sprocket. The climate here has been good for last couple of days giving ample oppurtunity to ride my heart out.

Acceleration is blazing fast. 100 appears in a very short time on the speedo, and today at a very short stretch could hit 135. The pull is so strong, I find it a bit difficult to pull the clutch lever when I try to shift at higher rpm.

I sometimes feel scared, everything happens so quick. I am still learning with this bike. Never before have I felt scared riding a bike. I wouldn't touch sprockets on this bike. Just love the experience in city and on highways.

With the remap, while riding in city, it has become possible now to hold on to any gear for a bit longer as against the stock setup where you need to get on to 6th ASAP. Remap has made it smooth without sacrificing the fun factor.

Completely gone bonkers with this bike. Also, spoke to KTM Seawoods and they were more than happy to help me replace existing coolant with Engine Ice. Hope Engine Ice helps in keeping temperatures down, that would be a boon.

Hi,

i am glad that the KIIRIUS remap is working well on your bike.

As discussed earlier, my guess is that the stock map, ignition and other values have not been fiddled with. Most likely the fuelling has been adjusted for better performance along with increasing the rev limiter to 11,500 - 11,700 rpm. With the stock closed Loop ECU system and Narrow band O2 bung/sensor being there in the exhaust, hopefully the fuelling should remain stoich at higher altitudes as well. Until you gentlemen do an extensive test the results will remain inconclusive.

Regarding Engine Ice Coolant, please make sure that the SVC follows the proper procedure to flush out the old coolant system and then install this product. Enthusiasm and willingness is really appreciated but the proper procedure must be followed. If they simply drain the old coolant and fill up the LC system with Engine Ice, it will not function properly. Regarding how to flush the stock coolant and the installation procedure, you can get all the info from Engine Ice's website.

Hope this helps and all the best..

Cheers,

**krashnburn** · 08-23-2013, 06:34 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

I know many people like bluish lights, but I wouldn't agree the actual light is stronger.
In fact, yes, the light is "stronger", but the visibility is not.

You can get one of those bluish led flashlights (not white like LED light on smartphones, but bluish) and compare them with warm white ones. The bluish light will be blinding if you point it to your eyes, it's a very strong light beam. It feels like a much stronger "light source". However, what you will be able to see in front of your eyes when you compare the two, is that the warm white will give better visibility to our eyes, you will be able to see more than with bluish light.

The reason is simple - our eyes are used to see best with sunlight, which is warm white. If we, the humanity, spend next several hundreds/thousands of years mostly in neon lights environment then our genes and eyes will get used to that light and work best with bluish light.
However, at the moment, it's for a very good reason why all stock lights come at that temperature.

In short - bluish light will feel stronger, and maybe it is, but the visibility it gives is actually weaker than a warm white light.
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I read the same here (Halogen Versus HID).
An excerpt

Colour temperature is measured in Kelvin.

The easiest way of comparing cheap imported lights (apart from the build quality) is the colour temperature. Anything above 5000K will only produce glare, not clarity. Keep in mind on a sunny day the colour temperature is about 4300K. Because Xenon gas is naturally blue it can be expensive to bring it back to a natural white light which is about 4300K. That’s why the cheaper imported lights are anything from 6000K up to a ridiculous 7000K.

Remember ... Clarity not Glare

Originally posted by splus View Post

Sorry to hear that.
I guess D200 wasn't meant to be for you... But, from what you said it looks like D390 is totally meant to be for you!
Good luck!

BTW, I always use additional disc lock when I leave my bike somewhere in open, unprotected space. Which I store under the back seat, so it's easy to use it. Better safe than sorry.

Ah well sh*t happens. I was this close to getting an alarm system for the bike but then it was too late. However I did read up quite a bit about the systems available around here and I see that there is a dearth for reliable systems. So I read a few reviews, compared specs and spoke to a few people before I decided to source a Gorilla 8007 Alarm. I also intend to chain the bike at home like it’s an elephant. Hoping for better luck this time.

**truelypulsarian** · 08-23-2013, 07:48 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

I feel philips extreme vision is not very appropriate for guys who ride a lot in city as last week i installed extreme vision on my duke and i immediately realized that extreme visions beam n visibility is much better than stock duke 200 bulbs.Extreme vision is of great use on highways where there is no street light and lights of other vehicles are also less, but in city where there is street light n light of other vehicles the yellow light of extreme vision gets sumwat lost and is not very effective. I feel the bluish-whitish light will do a good job in city as ystd night when i was returning back from office on my duke there was a honda unicorn which was moving exactly next to me and it had that typical whitish/bluish light n i realized that the visibility which were offered by his lights were much more than mine. So i feel those bluish/whitish lights are more practical for our daily night rides. So i am planning to install the philips diamond vision 2moro, am i doing the right thing???? pleaze guys do reply

Exactly me too feel the same EXTREME VISION effects can be seen only on dark roads but on city riding conditions i think its waste using it in my 220 from the past 1 month dissapointed by its illumination on city roads.

**Mzee_Maverik** · 08-23-2013, 10:09 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

looks like no one is willing to help

**Big bore** · 08-23-2013, 10:21 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post

No these are not halogen bulbs. These are H4-3 Xenon HID bulbs at 5000k temperature. Amazing visibility. Atleast, and I do say atleast twice as better than stock.

Buddy what happens to the "pass" feature?. I'm asking this because xenons take their own sweet time to give their full blast.

**Big bore** · 08-23-2013, 10:33 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Hi,

i am glad that the KIIRIUS remap is working well on your bike.

As discussed earlier, my guess is that the stock map, ignition and other values have not been fiddled with. Most likely the fuelling has been adjusted for better performance along with increasing the rev limiter to 11,500 - 11,700 rpm. With the stock closed Loop ECU system and Narrow band O2 bung/sensor being there in the exhaust, hopefully the fuelling should remain stoich at higher altitudes as well. Until you gentlemen do an extensive test the results will remain inconclusive.

Regarding Engine Ice Coolant, please make sure that the SVC follows the proper procedure to flush out the old coolant system and then install this product. Enthusiasm and willingness is really appreciated but the proper procedure must be followed. If they simply drain the old coolant and fill up the LC system with Engine Ice, it will not function properly. Regarding how to flush the stock coolant and the installation procedure, you can get all the info from Engine Ice's website.

Hope this helps and all the best..

Cheers,

I really doubt about the vinegar thing, because in my case they refused to put in the distilled water also.
Be very firm with them for the distilled water flush or els you will ruin the coolant and cooling system.

**abhayshanu** · 08-23-2013, 10:37 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Big bore View Post

Buddy what happens to the "pass" feature?. I'm asking this because xenons take their own sweet time to give their full blast.

The xenon lamps take time to charge yes, but they CAN be operated just for the pass. BUT that comes in when using a dual xenon system. On the duke you just use 1. So wait for a while and let the bulb get warmed up and then you can use the pass as much as you need.

**Big bore** · 08-23-2013, 10:55 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post

The xenon lamps take time to charge yes, but they CAN be operated just for the pass. BUT that comes in when using a dual xenon system. On the duke you just use 1. So wait for a while and let the bulb get warmed up and then you can use the pass as much as you need.

Thanks for the info buddy, where did you source them from??.
There are a lot of Chinese copy of Phillips in the market

**abhayshanu** · 08-23-2013, 11:15 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Big bore View Post

Thanks for the info buddy, where did you source them from??.
There are a lot of Chinese copy of Phillips in the market

Mine are sourced from the US. The same kind are available here for double the cost. Mine are NOT from Philips or any known company, they are taiwan made. Taiwan ones perform much better than the our local Indian ones.

**chinmayakar** · 08-23-2013, 12:13 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=32641]shv18[/MENTION] & @ Big Bore, then I guess safe bet would be getting it replaced it at Motozone. Shv, do we need to carry distilled water as well, or Motozone would have it?

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Originally posted by splus View Post

Hah, scared?

But I thought you had a beefed up P220 before Duke? Didn't it have a strong acceleration as well?

I am also very happy with performance now after the service. My bike runs now soooo much better and cleaner, pulls like crazy! And the crazy pull doesn't stop! At the back of my mind I kinda expect it will pull like crazy only up to 80-90 kmh, but holly s..t, it just doesn't stop and I'm needing strong brakes now more than before!

Yes, that extra 1.5k rpm means so much! I don't hit the rev limiter any more, but I do now go up to 11-11.5k rpm sometimes when blasting off from traffic or doing blitz overtakings. Before, the rev limiter would come in the way, I would often have to upshift to complete a short blitz overtaking because I run out of revs. Not any more. And everything happens much faster.
The windscreen adds to a much more efficient higher speed, the bike feels more bullet-like, focused, planted. Higher speeds feel easier than before.

Thats exactly what I feel. I feel the need to upgrade breaks. Sure my P230 was fast, while I could go as fast as possible on straight, in the traffic I had to take it easy. 220 isnt as good as Duke 200 in handling. On the Duke, feather weight, combined with fantastic chasis, gearbox and swing arm takes city riding to a whole new level. Got to be very careful while accelerating hard and cutting gaps, everything happens very quick.

Of late I feel a strong need to upgrade the breaks, distances reduce very fast. Would opting for Dot 4 make any changes in breaking?

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Originally posted by DukeDey View Post

Yes, it is Ngk iridium.

Sent from my GT-I9100

What is the rating for Iridium plug for Duke? Checked NGK site, but could not find anything for Duke 200.

**shv18** · 08-23-2013, 01:24 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Big bore View Post

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I really doubt about the vinegar thing, because in my case they refused to put in the distilled water also.
Be very firm with them for the distilled water flush or els you will ruin the coolant and cooling system.

I feel the manufacturer of the Engine Ice, know what's best procedure to make it work. The process is same as the engine oil flush product from 3M. One has to look for non-ionised distilled water i think. My friend's bikes had installed it almost 2 years back and i have received positive response from all of them with the product hence, the recommendation.

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

@shv18 & @ Big Bore, then I guess safe bet would be getting it replaced it at Motozone. Shv, do we need to carry distilled water as well, or Motozone would have it?...

I suggest interacting with Mr. Vikram from Motozone. I honestly don't have an idea in this regard.

Cheers,

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