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**splus** · 08-25-2013, 03:47 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Chethan Shivakumar View Post

Hello All,

There is so much of knowledge sharing that has happened in this thread tht it took me almost 2+ weeks to go through main items discussed here not even the entire thread.

So from 2 Stroke to this machine was like a big big jump towards the modern technology bike. So here to cut short the long story wanted a Duke feeling before the 390 hence picked up a 200 and today i m more than happy with it.

So i have already started working my way out with the mods after reading a lot on this thread and also some hands on experience with my 2 strokes. So the moment i had seen the rear sprocket on this bike i knew i can go taller and move the top speed up.

But little did i know then that this bike is one smart bart which will out beat your intelligence no matter what.

So my first try was in search of 41T sprocket since mine was running on the 43T rear sprocket. After a lot of discussion with my mech got to know that this 41T was only avail on Suzuki Supra SS in India but hit a road block there, the chain pitch doesn't match with that of the duke. So my next best option were 40T (From Karizma) and 39T (From Pulsar 200NS)

So tried with the first option of 40T and must say i was pretty impressed with the initial there was not much noticeable drop in the initial. The only difference i saw was the torque pull which was faced by the pillion rider before is now reduced but there is enough torque for daily city ride.

Testing done, The sprocket i tried was 40T from Karizma it has the same chain pitch as Duke 200 (520) so few things i knew already was this is not a carb or any other 4 stroke or a 2stroke engine where you can see results straight up. Here i am trying to outbeat a good intelligent ECU which will out beat your inteligence no matter what you try(unless you remap it). Reason why it is intelligent is this ECU has torque limiter...besides speed, rev limits(confirm it by OME ECU guys) now this is something very tricky to bypass. So a simple thing i did was disconnect the speed sensor which is below the fuel tank on the left hand side which gets its signal from speedo. Once i disconnect this your blinkers and headlights dont work. So the first trial run after the sprocket change gave me the below results.Stock speeds in bracket for comparision. Again this is tested at Blore if the same is tested in Mumbai or Chennai(closer to sea level) you can easily add another 3-5 kmph

Speed sensor connector disconnected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 145(135)

Speed sensor connected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 135(135)

Video below you can see how the speed limiter kicks in at 135(this speed limit is different for different batches) when the speed sensor is connected .. it just wont let you go past 135KPH even when its still running at 8.5k RPM and still has another 1.5k RPM to go..
KTM Duke 200 doing 146KPH( Just Sprocket'ed an nothing much) - YouTube

Again few suggestions i wanted from you guys before i try the 39T was .. i have read on this thread itself where ppl have tried the 39T(not able to recollected the person who tried it) that he was able to hit speeds of 150+ if i am not wrong wanted to know if you disconnected the speed sensor and tried it or was it with stock setting( no sockets disconnected) coz with my speed sensor connected no matter how hard i tried i was not able to go past 135kph.

so my next plan is ECU remap tagged along with may a street spec cam. These make take time coz the whole decision of what timing is best for street use needs a lot of work behind it. Please feel free to give any suggestions which you guys have tried would help each of ur fellow Dukers.

Great info there!
It looks like you did exactly what was described in the video below.
See my comment to it as well.

Originally posted by ynike99 View Post

Also, those with understanding of german, please explain what this guy didbin video.
KTM Duke 125 entdrosseln wie die Yamaha Yzf R-125 - YouTube

Originally posted by splus View Post

You may have stumbled upon something interesting here.
Not sure what, but the guy disconnects some kind of limiter. It could easily be the same speed limiter that Abhishek from Kiirus and Vikram from Motozone were talking about.
It's a speed limiter (not rev, but speed limiter), which in Duke 125 might be more restrictive than in Duke 200.
Same reason - Duke 125 "shouldn't" go as fast as 130 kmh, at least according to KTM.

Anyway, disconnecting that wire, according to the video, disconnects blinkers and small fog/parking light, but also disables some speed limiter.

A Duke 200 owner who has some speed limit might want to try this.

I again wasn't able to go past 135 kmh on a highway due to strong winds, so I'm still not sure if my speed cuts off at 137 kmh or not.

I wrote before that in the first ECU map I had (last year, before KTM limited the revs in 5th and 6th to 10k rpm) my top speed was cutting off at some 136 kmh. Which was puzzling for me at the time because I thought the rev limiter kicks in at 139 kmh for all.

I still haven't been able to test if I'm able to go faster than 135 kmh with Kiirus ECU remap, but I hope I will be able to test that tomorrow.
I might easily have the same kind of limiter as you, regardless of ECU remap and ability to rev upto 11,700 rpm...

It looks like, after all, that D200 DOES have some kind of speed limiter, separate from ECU rev limiter. That sucks.
And it looks like it's not there in all the bikes, or at least, if it's there in all bikes the speed limit is different in different bikes.

Btw, since you're in Blore you might want to contact Joel (as recommended by [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION]) and see what he has in mind in regard to performance upgrades for Duke.

**splus** · 08-25-2013, 03:50 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Chethan Shivakumar View Post

Thanks Punarvasu will have a check on that, but frankly after trying the 40T for my personal liking i feel i may go in for either 39 or 40 ...

Just curious - what makes you prefer 40T over the stock sprocket, or even 41T?
Do you prefer top speed over acceleration?
Or is it that you prefer that the engine is more relaxed at same speeds compared to stock?

**shv18** · 08-25-2013, 04:22 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Chethan Shivakumar View Post

Hello All,

There is so much of knowledge sharing that has happened in this thread tht it took me almost 2+ weeks to go through main items discussed here not even the entire thread.

So from 2 Stroke to this machine was like a big big jump towards the modern technology bike. So here to cut short the long story wanted a Duke feeling before the 390 hence picked up a 200 and today i m more than happy with it.

So i have already started working my way out with the mods after reading a lot on this thread and also some hands on experience with my 2 strokes. So the moment i had seen the rear sprocket on this bike i knew i can go taller and move the top speed up....

Speed sensor connector disconnected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 145(135)

Speed sensor connected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 135(135)

......so my next plan is ECU remap tagged along with may a street spec cam. These make take time coz the whole decision of what timing is best for street use needs a lot of work behind it. Please feel free to give any suggestions which you guys have tried would help each of ur fellow Dukers.

Looks like the theory of speed governor has been verified by our fellow rider. Thanks mate

....now this is what i call a proper test!! If you do opt for 39/38T rear sprocket, please bear in mind that you will make the gears taller which may feel awesome on the highways but on streets you won't be able to short shift like it is the case with the stock sprocket config. The tastes are subjective but as a rider, one may or may not like being on 1 gear for a long long time while doing rounds in the city premises.

I personally would refrain from any engine mods at this stage since, the video clearly demonstrates that the stock bike is capable of doing good nos. without any tinkering of the stock engine. As per my last discussion with Motozone (the same discussion has been carried over by other esteemed riders here

) you may choose to opt for their version of bypassing the speed/torque governor and then see how much are you losing or gaining. After that may be you can go for the ECU remap either from KIIRIUS and Motozone on your stock ECU or remap on a new ECU which allows you to have the option of swapping to stock ECU should the experiment lead to a catastrophic result.. you can probably you know do the stuff and make the claims..

That way you are retaining the integrity of the stock engine and also the warranty on engine parts.

If i were you, i would take steps in this order:

* Getting hold of 40T, 39T and 38T rear sprockets to play around with.
* Get an MRA RNB wind screen for better high speed performance and also protecting the rider from windblast
* Get hold of the speedo/speed governor mod from Motozone and see the aftermath.
* Later stage, opt for remap with either KIIRIUS or Motozone, just for insurance go for the one with a new ECU and the new map
* Finally after i am bored with everything on the planet then will opt for the future upgrades which may be head porting and a high lift camshaft for faster speed and acceleration.

Just my two cents...

Cheers,

**splus** · 08-25-2013, 04:42 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=53683]Chethan Shivakumar[/MENTION] I'll have a highway trip tomorrow (in fact, it's already today) and if I hit the speed limit in a same way as you, then I'd like to try to disconnect that cable and check the speed without the speed limiter.

Can you please describe how exactly to disconnect that cable?

Btw, have you fiddled with it more, have you traced the wires, where they go?
Because if the light and blinker cable can be separated from the speed limiter cable then we could just simply cut the bad guy out and still have the lights...

**emothic** · 08-25-2013, 12:33 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

* Getting hold of 40T, 39T and 38T rear sprockets to play around with.
* Get an MRA RNB wind screen for better high speed performance and also protecting the rider from windblast
* Get hold of the speedo/speed governor mod from Motozone and see the aftermath.
* Later stage, opt for remap with either KIIRIUS or Motozone, just for insurance go for the one with a new ECU and the new map
* Finally after i am bored with everything on the planet then will opt for the future upgrades which may be head porting and a high lift camshaft for faster speed and acceleration.

Just my two cents...

Cheers,

MRA windscreen costs aroung 5k to 8K ..Its expensive . Some dukers use Yamaha SZR windsreen . MRA looks cool but very costly.

**Syed Zakir Ahamed** · 08-25-2013, 12:39 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi Dukers,
Today I had my 2^nd free service at M/S POPULAR MOTOR CORPORATION, Mekhri Circle, Bangalore. So here is my experience.
I & my friend ( [MENTION=60363]Srvn[/MENTION][/MENTION] helped me in asking many questions regarding the billing section. But still I have a couple of questions to ask you guys, who already went through the 2^nd free service with spares replaced.
Take a look at the screenshots of my bill.

Am I supposed to pay the labor charges highlighted? Because from the coupon, only the consumables are chargeable. Help me on this.

**emothic** · 08-25-2013, 12:50 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Its free service . No labour charge . You have been cheated bro . The cost for my 2nd service at KTM showroom is 1650rs . Its engine oil and other consumables .
P.s : They changed the spark plug for me too.

**Big bore** · 08-25-2013, 04:17 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

[MENTION=53683]Chethan Shivakumar[/MENTION] I'll have a highway trip tomorrow (in fact, it's already today) and if I hit the speed limit in a same way as you, then I'd like to try to disconnect that cable and check the speed without the speed limiter.

Can you please describe how exactly to disconnect that cable?

Btw, have you fiddled with it more, have you traced the wires, where they go?
Because if the light and blinker cable can be separated from the speed limiter cable then we could just simply cut the bad guy out and still have the lights...

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] very eager for the top end speed review. Since you also have the windshield mounted on, results will be interesting.

**Big bore** · 08-25-2013, 04:23 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Chethan Shivakumar View Post

Hello All,

There is so much of knowledge sharing that has happened in this thread tht it took me almost 2+ weeks to go through main items discussed here not even the entire thread.

So from 2 Stroke to this machine was like a big big jump towards the modern technology bike. So here to cut short the long story wanted a Duke feeling before the 390 hence picked up a 200 and today i m more than happy with it.

So i have already started working my way out with the mods after reading a lot on this thread and also some hands on experience with my 2 strokes. So the moment i had seen the rear sprocket on this bike i knew i can go taller and move the top speed up.

But little did i know then that this bike is one smart bart which will out beat your intelligence no matter what.

So my first try was in search of 41T sprocket since mine was running on the 43T rear sprocket. After a lot of discussion with my mech got to know that this 41T was only avail on Suzuki Supra SS in India but hit a road block there, the chain pitch doesn't match with that of the duke. So my next best option were 40T (From Karizma) and 39T (From Pulsar 200NS)

So tried with the first option of 40T and must say i was pretty impressed with the initial there was not much noticeable drop in the initial. The only difference i saw was the torque pull which was faced by the pillion rider before is now reduced but there is enough torque for daily city ride.

Testing done, The sprocket i tried was 40T from Karizma it has the same chain pitch as Duke 200 (520) so few things i knew already was this is not a carb or any other 4 stroke or a 2stroke engine where you can see results straight up. Here i am trying to outbeat a good intelligent ECU which will out beat your inteligence no matter what you try(unless you remap it). Reason why it is intelligent is this ECU has torque limiter...besides speed, rev limits(confirm it by OME ECU guys) now this is something very tricky to bypass. So a simple thing i did was disconnect the speed sensor which is below the fuel tank on the left hand side which gets its signal from speedo. Once i disconnect this your blinkers and headlights dont work. So the first trial run after the sprocket change gave me the below results.Stock speeds in bracket for comparision. Again this is tested at Blore if the same is tested in Mumbai or Chennai(closer to sea level) you can easily add another 3-5 kmph

Speed sensor connector disconnected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 145(135)

Speed sensor connected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 135(135)
Video below you can see how the speed limiter kicks in at 135(this speed limit is different for different batches) when the speed sensor is connected .. it just wont let you go past 135KPH even when its still running at 8.5k RPM and still has another 1.5k RPM to go..
KTM Duke 200 doing 146KPH( Just Sprocket'ed an nothing much) - YouTube

Again few suggestions i wanted from you guys before i try the 39T was .. i have read on this thread itself where ppl have tried the 39T(not able to recollected the person who tried it) that he was able to hit speeds of 150+ if i am not wrong wanted to know if you disconnected the speed sensor and tried it or was it with stock setting( no sockets disconnected) coz with my speed sensor connected no matter how hard i tried i was not able to go past 135kph.

so my next plan is ECU remap tagged along with may a street spec cam. These make take time coz the whole decision of what timing is best for street use needs a lot of work behind it. Please feel free to give any suggestions which you guys have tried would help each of ur fellow Dukers.

Beautiful review there

it's pretty clear cut that the initial was almost unaffected with the 40T, but the speed sensor did manage to ruin the party by restricting the torque. I'm already drooling on kirus remap and 40T. :P should take care of the lag issue with the pillion.

**splus** · 08-25-2013, 04:35 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

It's very nice to have a McDonald's along the highway on a longer trip, but a crazy music blasting through the roof spoils the fun. Luckily there's Coffee Day with much better atmosphere, and nothing like a king size cappuccino to relax...

But can't really relax because I have to watch my bike a lot, there's constantly 3-5 guys looking and taking photos of my bike. Fascination with Duke somehow isn't fading away even after a year and half after it was released...

Guys, I hit the rev limiter at 136 kmh in 5th gear at 11,700 rpm, and SPEED limiter at 137 kmh in 6th gear at just above 10,000 rpm.

And that's with some 30 kg heavy and packed saddle bags and big tank bag at front, so it's fully upright seating position.
BUT, with MRA windscreen...

KTM, are you really enjoying limiting us so much? Rev limiter, speed limiter... Any other limiters we should know about???

Anyway, that speed limiter is quite different in feel - it's very sharp and short cut. I was still accelerating strongly when I hit it and it threw me forward slightly. Just little, it wasn't a problem, but still unpleasant.
I'll (and others who have this speed limiter) have to deal with it, try to cut it out somehow without disabling the front light and blinkers.

But for now - few details:
MRA windscreen ROCKS! Yes, it's expensive at Rs 8k but it's really good! When I was riding at 135 kmh before it was slightly scary because of wind blast. It felt the bike was also too light for such speeds.

But with the screen it feels as if you're going 20 kmh slower. You're much more relaxed and have a better overview of road, bike is more planted, and I'm pretty sure the top speed is quite higher because of how it nicely cuts the air. It's fixed strongly and has no vibrations whatsoever.
You have a wind blast only on your helmet (on neck as well if going below 100 kmh), but helmet itself cuts the air nicely so you don't really notice it.

If anyone is touring or having a high speed rides on highway - MRA RNB windscreen is highly recommended. And it will for sure increase your top speed by at least 5 kmh, and probably more.
I'm very happy I bought it. Expensive, but well worth it. And it looks really cool, btw, attracts more attention than ordinary Duke.
I'll update my review of MRA RNB windscreen from few pages back about how it fares in highway ride, and repost it again.

Kiirus ECU remap rocks as well! I couldn't test the top speed because of the speed limiter, but I'm pretty sure I could reach 150 kmh, especially without the heavy bags. Without the windscreen one can for sure go up to 145 kmh, but if fully tucked in then 150 kmh should be possible as well.
And that's with my short 43T sprocket! With taller sprockets - man, you'd be chasing Duke 390...
However, top speed is the least strength of Kiirus remap - lows and mids are much stronger, and revs across entire range are much smoother, especially at low speeds. Heavy traffic is much easier now.

But, I have to admit my bike heats up more with Kiirus ECU than with stock ECU map, even when ridden at same rpms. [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] do you have a same experience? If yes then Ice Engine coolant would be strongly recommended if getting Kiirus ECU remap.

**splus** · 08-25-2013, 04:47 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Big bore View Post

Beautiful review there

it's pretty clear cut that the initial was almost unaffected with the 40T, but the speed sensor did manage to ruin the party by restricting the torque. I'm already drooling on kirus remap and 40T. :P should take care of the lag issue with the pillion.

That's what I thought before I got Kiirus. But then you get very quickly used to crazy strong acceleration with Kiirus ECU and stock sprocket, feels like you have a Duke 250. And with MRA windscreen it becomes a RC250.
And then a thought to go back to "ordinary" Duke acceleration makes you feel like a big downgrade...

But I don't know, different people, different taste and preferences.
I'd like to try all sprockets - 40T, 41T, 42T and 43T and then decide.

MRA windscreen definitely makes cruising at 140 kmh a pleasant experience. And if the roads allow it then taller sprocket is better.
However, having a crazy strong pick up is mmmmmm, naaaaice!

**shahrukh615** · 08-25-2013, 05:16 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

HI EVERYONE,
I am new here. I got my bike duje 200 few days ago.
I have a confusion about the fuel to be used on duke.
I used to feed my duke with speed petrol (91 octane)
Today i went to indian oil petrol pump in nehru place asked them to fill 91 octane petrol but they told me that i should fill 93 octane fuel. I refused as it is useless to spend more money on higher octane fuel than recommanded but to my surprise they told as it is 8 rs cheaper than the 91 octane fuel and it delivers more power,smooth accelaration and better mileage. After enquiring why it is cheaper, they told me it is tax free.
So i filled it and after riding five minutes my bikes cluster is showing me a mileage of 53kmpl Unbelieveable.
91 or higher octane fuel is recommanded in owners manual. So according to it ,there should not be any problem in using 93 octane petrol.
So what do you people think??

**Big bore** · 08-25-2013, 05:28 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

That's what I thought before I got Kiirus. But then you get very quickly used to crazy strong acceleration with Kiirus ECU and stock sprocket, feels like you have a Duke 250. And with MRA windscreen it becomes a RC250.
And then a thought to go back to "ordinary" Duke acceleration makes you feel like a big downgrade...

But I don't know, different people, different taste and preferences.
I'd like to try all sprockets - 40T, 41T, 42T and 43T and then decide.

MRA windscreen definitely makes cruising at 140 kmh a pleasant experience. And if the roads allow it then taller sprocket is better.
However, having a crazy strong pick up is mmmmmm, naaaaice!

Glad to know windshield is holding up good. It's a bit of a disappointment that kirus people couldn't get past that stupid rev limiter, but you need to ask them as in why is it so?? I saw motorbeam people sporting the tuned duke claiming the top speed to be around 150 or more. One more thing, how much time did it take to reach 137?? Was it quicker and easier than the stock???.

**vikundefined** · 08-25-2013, 06:46 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi guys, my duke is due for 2nd servicing and it has done 3500 kms but nowadays i am having a feel while riding that duke is losing its smoothness that it use to have earlier. Is it because the bike is due for servicing and engine oil is dirty now...?
and at the 2nd servicing i am thinking of changing to motul 7100 and want to know how much would be the service bill..?
thnx

**Cleaner** · 08-25-2013, 09:37 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by vikundefined View Post

Hi guys, my duke is due for 2nd servicing and it has done 3500 kms but nowadays i am having a feel while riding that duke is losing its smoothness that it use to have earlier. Is it because the bike is due for servicing and engine oil is dirty now...?
and at the 2nd servicing i am thinking of changing to motul 7100 and want to know how much would be the service bill..?
thnx

Due for second service at 3500kms? The correct service interval for D200 is 1st service at 1000Kms and then after every 5000Kms. Regarding engine oil, the recommended drain interval is 5000Kms. Maybe your bike just needs engine oil and coolant top up and a good cleaning. Check the air filter too, the filter gets clogged very soon at Indian riding conditions.

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