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  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

    Originally posted by splus View Post

    I'm not so sure it's "just" lower quality. These bikes get exported all around the world, and KTM can't afford to have a bad name in regard to quality. And in Europe people are used to much higher quality than we are.
    The thing is that KTM can't afford to put a 600 cc quality parts on a 200 cc bike.
    The bigger and more expensive bike it is - the more expensive and more frequent replacements are. Nothing lasts very long on very powerful bikes.
    Duke 200 is still a small bike, but for 200 cc it has a strong pull, so some parts like chain and sprockets will definitely suffer more.

    It is as it is - we all know some parts need to be replaced more often. But still - if I compare the prices of for example CBR250 spares and Duke 200 spares - I feel happy I own a Duke. And it's not really that quality of Honda spares is something amazing compared to KTM spares...
    I think the Indian conditions are much more demanding than Europe's.
    In Europe, the roads are good, the rainfall is not even 10% of what the ghats here get each year , the petrol is of higher quality and temperatures are comparatively lower.
    The Indian conditions require more tolerance.
    The duke has inverted forks. This means having to fix a fork seal every monsoon(I have had 2 busted seals , each monsoon )
    The fuel quality is suspect many times and adds to fueling woes, given the Fi system bike has.
    The roads are pathetic and helps in accelerating regular wear and tear.
    The rains make sure rusting is accelerated(The duke fairs very well here, I haven't seen rust anywhere, sav a solitary bolt on the left footpeg).
    The soaring temperatures don't help the radiator one bit in summers.
    But how would you explain the relatively smaller life of the sprocket and chain ?And clutch plates ?
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    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

      Originally posted by SatyamDubey View Post
      you are welcome. I'll keep you updated on how things pan out. Like I mentioned earlier, I've already put in a mail to KTM but they are yet to revert on it. I have not shared the images with them as yet but will do so as and when they ask.

      the sprocket is near it's life's end as I have around 9500 Kms on the odo and the sprockets are designed for about 10500-11000 if I am not wrong...
      The rear sprocket condition looks like your chain set are reaching the end stages and that too under 9k kms?? and I thought 15k kms of chain life on my FZ was bad . Please bear in mind that during monsoons if one doesn't regularly keep the chains cleaned and oiled, the dirt and grime get the better half of it and increase the wear and tear by a large margin. I personally don't have much experience on Bajaj products hence, cannot comment about their QC standards.. But may be looking for alternative high end chains like DID and Rolon should give you better life i suppose??

      Regarding the swingarm crack, a mail with pictures should be immediately sent across to KTM. I think it will yield you positive results. This is one place where Bajaj/KTM is super fast in response.


      Originally posted by Doga View Post
      I told you how smooth the Kiirus map makes the duke!! Enjoy!!
      I have had the heating problem for some time now. And everytime I went to the svc, I am given the same old boring stupid answers.
      The service manager at the Seawoods svc has started to get on my nerves now. This guy would try his best to come up with excuses not to take in your bike, no matter when you call. The svc is always swamped with customers as per him. No matter if it's a weekday or a weekend!!
      This one time, I called to check if I can bring my bike as I had an issue , and I was promptly told,as usual, to bring it tomorrow as they had so many bikes to service.
      Later that day was on my way to Belapur and decided to pick up a OKS chain spray from the svc. I was shocked to see the mechs lazing around with a lone bike to service.
      I asked Rehman and he had not seen anyone bring their bike's in that day and that the day was indeed very lazy.
      Not just this, but the this guys also specializes in not heeding to whatever the customer says. To start with the "yes I am listening but I'd anyway say everything is fine because my nut sized brain cannot fathom anything beyond the usual" look. Everytime I go and say that the engine is overheating I hear " Sir fan chal raha hai, engine overheat ho hi nai sakta" When I retort that even after the fan turns on, it takes ages for the temp to come down, I hear " Sir itna time to lagta hi hai".
      Add to this his rude tone and you have every reason to hate this guy. Now I am not saying that he's supposed to scratch my behind here, just to be a little receptive.
      Pathetic is the word!!
      The only saving grace for that svc is the head Mech Rehman! Very good at his work, open to rider inputs and to an extent the infra of the svc which is good.
      Some rant this ..........

      ........15 K ..!! psr ji my sprocket and chain were replaced at 9K on odo. Ideally they should have been at 7.5K. And I do lube my chain regularly and adequately with Motul/OKS(Motul mostly)
      Truth is most duke parts need replacement rather early, and the reason given is good acceleration, rider's aggressive style. I have had my clutch plates replaced as well.
      I personally don't buy this. If you build a bike to be ridden aggressively, you should ensure the parts are of higher quality.Bajaj seems to have a policy of keeping the initial costs low by keeping the quality of the parts decent, not great, so that they recoup the initial losses later as 'consumables/damages'.
      When the SVC managers start slacking then one sweet mail along with pics of the mechanics lazying around at the workshop with date and time stamp should get things in order. Sometimes the lower management needs a whiplash from the guys at top to get things in order.

      Regarding System G, one can also place orders online: Automotive Soul - Iftex

      I am not sure if the site also supplies System 23. All the signs on your Duke 200 according to my understanding are pointing towards the fuel system. Either something is wrong with the new fuel pump, or it is getting clogged. Fuel injectors seldom go wrong unless there is a manufacturing defect or the fuel is so dirty that the whole fuel system gets clogged. If you guys are coming to townside this Sunday then i will be getting the new ported head and the mild lift camshaft from Motozone installed on my FZ - X. You are most welcome to check out my ride and also i have some spare sachets of System 23 lying with me which you can try on your respective rides and see if it has any effects.


      Cheers,
      Last edited by shv18; 08-16-2013, 07:10 PM.
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      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

        The sprockets look like they are reaching the end stages and that too unde 9k kms?? and I thought my 15k kms on my FZ were bad . Please bear in mind that during monsoons if one doesn't regularly keep the chains cleaned and oiled, the dirt and grime get the better half of it and increase the wear and tear by quite a bit. I personally don't have much experience about Bajaj products hence, cannot comment about their QC standards.. But may be looking for alternative high end chains like DID and Rolon should give you better life i suppose??
        The KTM service guys told me that the sprockets die around the 12K mark. I had an overhaul last month and the Service guy told me that they are not bad enough to be replaced. I'll let you know the general sprocket life figure after my next visit to the service centre.

        I had been thinking about Rolon but have not doen any research on their price and availability. they first thing that I need installed are paddock stand spools which may double up as crash guards and the paddock stand itself.

        I have sent the images to them. But as it is already past 6 pm I do not think I am going to receive any response from them.

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        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

          Originally posted by Doga View Post
          I think the Indian conditions are much more demanding than Europe's.
          In Europe, the roads are good, the rainfall is not even 10% of what the ghats here get each year , the petrol is of higher quality and temperatures are comparatively lower.
          The Indian conditions require more tolerance.
          The duke has inverted forks. This means having to fix a fork seal every monsoon(I have had 2 busted seals , each monsoon )
          The fuel quality is suspect many times and adds to fueling woes, given the Fi system bike has.
          The roads are pathetic and helps in accelerating regular wear and tear.
          The rains make sure rusting is accelerated(The duke fairs very well here, I haven't seen rust anywhere, sav a solitary bolt on the left footpeg).
          The soaring temperatures don't help the radiator one bit in summers.
          But how would you explain the relatively smaller life of the sprocket and chain ?And clutch plates ?
          All true-true.

          Relatively shorter life of a sprocket and chain? Well, it's a Duke! Can you ride it sanely? I can't.
          That exhaust sound of Duke? That's not an exhaust sound, that's bike munching and burping out pieces of chain and sprockets...

          But seriously - I don't know. Maybe it is little lower quality, but I doubt it. I wonder how long would the same chain and sprockets last on other bikes? I'm guessing much longer, but I don't know...


          Originally posted by shv18 View Post
          If you guys are coming to townside this Sunday then i will be getting the new ported head and the mild lift camshaft from Motozone installed on my FZ - X. You are most welcome to check out my ride and also i have some spare sachets of System 23 lying with me which you can try on your respective rides and see if it has any effects.

          Cheers,
          Sounds like you guys are going to have a fun Sunday?... FZ Duke Motozone... Enjoy!

          Curious to hear the experiences about the Pipercross filters. I did some reading, mostly big bikes forums about different air filters, and they mostly say K&N actually gives worse performance and worse protection than stock paper filters, whereas BMC Racing and Pipercross Racing filters give the best performance.
          But I suppose Pipercross (foam filter) should give better protection from dust than BMC.
          Last edited by splus; 08-16-2013, 07:39 PM.

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          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

            Originally posted by splus View Post
            Sounds like you guys are going to have a fun Sunday?... FZ Duke Motozone... Enjoy!

            Curious to hear the experiences about the Pipercross filters. I did some reading, mostly big bikes forums about different air filters, and they mostly say K&N actually gives worse performance and worse protection than stock paper filters, whereas BMC Racing and Pipercross Racing filters give the best performance.
            But I suppose Pipercross (foam filter) should give better protection from dust than BMC.
            I honestly don't have any major experience with riding a Duke 200. But i still have my doubts about the claims made by Motozone as mentioned by riders on this thread. Guys are you absolutely sure Mr. Vikram mentioned that just by putting a performance air filter one can supersede a KIIRIUS remapped KTM?? As per my experience, Mr. Vikram is not stupid to make such weird claims as to my understanding; logically it is impossible for a stock bike to make more power then a properly mapped one. But then again, i have no clue regarding what kind of performance/mods conversation took place between the rider and the seller nor i have any longterm experience with Duke 200.

            Anyways, if you gentlemen in Mumbai are interested then it would be really nice to catch up with xbhp riders from the same city. abhimanyu31 with his R16 and RC'd CBR 250R rider; FZERIDER might be joining me this Sunday as well.

            Just for the benefit of the KTM owners in Mumbai, below is the map where one can find and purchase Motul products, System G/23 and WD 40 from:




            * Green highlighted place: Rane Pvt. Ltd. : Seller of Motul Products
            * Red highlighted place: Seller of System G/23 and WD 40.

            The same has been shared on FZ thread as well, just thought of sharing it with you gentlemen as well. Hope this helps.


            Cheers,
            Last edited by shv18; 08-16-2013, 08:26 PM. Reason: corrections
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            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

              Splus,....leaving half a tank of petrol for 2 months changes it's chemical property and it turns into Varnish like material...I suspect that it must have coated inside, throughout the Petrol lines and path, including the Injectors...this definitely will lead to lean AFR and less pressure...so do get the Fuel line, Fuel Pump,Tank and injectors checked and cleaned...

              ALL.....How is it possible for a chain and sprocket to wear in short time of 9~10 K ? agreed the acceleration,and gearing is one possibility...but manufacturers are supposed to have components ,good enough to take care of it..enough to last at least 15 K Kms.....If what is shared by members is true, then KTM must be planing on making better margins in consumable spares than in Sales...
              Hope I am wrong and owners get their problems sorted out with no repeat of the issues...
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              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                Originally posted by shv18 View Post
                I honestly don't have any major experience with riding a Duke 200. But i still have my doubts about the claims made by Motozone as mentioned by riders on this thread. Guys are you absolutely sure Mr. Vikram mentioned that just by putting a performance air filter one can supersede a KIIRIUS remapped KTM?? As per my experience, Mr. Vikram is not stupid to make such weird claims as to my understanding; logically it is impossible for a stock bike to make more power then a properly mapped one. But then again, i have no clue regarding what kind of performance/mods conversation took place between the rider and the seller nor i have any longterm experience with Duke 200.

                Cheers,
                Well, Vikram was quite "enthusiastic" about the filter. Yes, basically saying the air filter improves performance more than the ECU remap...
                When I asked him to compare it to BMC he said that BMC is "good, very good", but it lets more dust than Pipercross.
                I didn't dwell on his claim about power boost, and don't expect this to happen. But who knows?... I'd be more than happy to hear he was right! And if he wasn't all is still well.

                All I know is what I felt with my Kiirus mapped ECU - it felt like it could use some more air, especially in higher rpms. So I have a feeling a filter that lets more air would be beneficial on Kiirus mapped Duke. Which, in practice, doesn't have to be true at all...

                I hope [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] and [MENTION=27499]abhayshanu[/MENTION] will be able to check and compare both stock and Kiirus Dukes, both with stock and with Pipercross filters, and then we'll know.

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                Originally posted by psr View Post
                Splus,....leaving half a tank of petrol for 2 months changes it's chemical property and it turns into Varnish like material...I suspect that it must have coated inside, throughout the Petrol lines and path, including the Injectors...this definitely will lead to lean AFR and less pressure...so do get the Fuel line, Fuel Pump,Tank and injectors checked and cleaned...

                ALL.....How is it possible for a chain and sprocket to wear in short time of 9~10 K ? agreed the acceleration,and gearing is one possibility...but manufacturers are supposed to have components ,good enough to take care of it..enough to last at least 15 K Kms.....If what is shared by members is true, then KTM must be planing on making better margins in consumable spares than in Sales...
                Hope I am wrong and owners get their problems sorted out with no repeat of the issues...
                Will do it all. Thanks. I know that wasn't a good thing to do, but I left in a hurry.

                I've read some people changed their chains and sprockets at around 17-18k km. So, it IS possible for it to last that long. However, I suspect their riding style was very non-Dukey.
                I don't know. Maybe the chain and sprockets really are of lower quality, or of quality of a regular 150-200 cc bike. In that case a strong acceleration of Duke has bigger effect on chain and sprockets than what we assume...

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                • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                  Hi Serge!! I have messaged you Joels number.

                  Regarding Vikrams tall claims, I am starting to lose interest in him. His claims are too good to be true. The reason for Shv feeling he is genuine could be because Vikram has seen Shv indulge in his souped up FZ. Hence, he never took the chance of making any tall claims.

                  As for me, he must have thought I am a noob, and have no idea regarding hot rodding, hence he made such claims.

                  Shv, I would love to join you guys for a ride. Do let me know when and where to meet.

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                  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                    Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                    Hi Serge!! I have messaged you Joels number.

                    Regarding Vikrams tall claims, I am starting to lose interest in him. His claims are too good to be true. The reason for Shv feeling he is genuine could be because Vikram has seen Shv indulge in his souped up FZ. Hence, he never took the chance of making any tall claims.

                    As for me, he must have thought I am a noob, and have no idea regarding hot rodding, hence he made such claims.

                    Shv, I would love to join you guys for a ride. Do let me know when and where to meet.

                    Hi,

                    it would be really nice to meet you guys and Mr. Vikram at his workshop itself. I am also interested to see what gains you gentlemen have witnessed with the KIIRIUS remap and how the stock bike performs with the stock map (I am considering owning one in a not too distant future!! ) . What response can we achieve from just installing performance air filter on your respective vehicles. Forgive me mate, but i still have my doubts about the claims made. I guess we can put it to rest on this Sunday itself. If senior rider abhimanyu31 does join us this Sunday, his experience and his independent views should clear the air about claims made.

                    Please do PM me your contact nos. We can connect on phone and then decide the right time to meet.

                    I shall carry the System 23 fuel additive for you gentlemen as well.


                    Cheers,
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                    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                      Wait a minute, the fuel pump of Duke that costs 2300 rupees needs to be changed after every 12K KMS? Very maintenance heavy bike I'd say.
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                      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                        Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post
                        According to me the 40T would be perfect. Even if the remap would give me added revs, I wont be using them much. Would still prefer to stay under 10k. I even now for most of my tests and rides always remain under 8k. So the added power + smaller sprocket would mean near equal acceleration and greater top speed. The 42T is the stock sprocket for the newer lot KTMs, I guess chinmayakar's must be 42T and I'm sure you would easily find it with the ASC. Also if you decide to go for 40T, get both the rear sprocket and chain installed, would work best.

                        I really don't the air filter thing makes any sense. Pipercross use sponge type(or maybe sponge) material for their filters which I have seen deteriorate pretty quick, BMC on the other hand are the usual Air Filter materials.
                        Here is an extract from their Air Filter for the D200 page - BMC filters are made of a multi-layered cotton gauze soaked with low viscosity oil covered with an epoxy coated alloy mesh to ensure protection from petrol fumes and oxidization due to air humidity. Here is the page for reference - STANDARD BIKE FILTERS FM733/20 | BMC AIR FILTERS.

                        I personally believe more in facts and figures and personal experience rather than just talk. If Kiirus and Motozone would back up their claims, both top speed limiting and air filter preference, I would gladly believe them.
                        hi!! I am duke 200 owner....i was looking to install 40T rear sprocket on my duke 200...its a 2012 model so it comes with 43T......kindly tell me where I can get a 40T rear sprocket for the duke 200 in mumbai...also...i would have thought that 39T would give a calmer ride and would perform good too.. can u suggest whether to go for 39T or 40T

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                        Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post
                        According to me the 40T would be perfect. Even if the remap would give me added revs, I wont be using them much. Would still prefer to stay under 10k. I even now for most of my tests and rides always remain under 8k. So the added power + smaller sprocket would mean near equal acceleration and greater top speed. The 42T is the stock sprocket for the newer lot KTMs, I guess chinmayakar's must be 42T and I'm sure you would easily find it with the ASC. Also if you decide to go for 40T, get both the rear sprocket and chain installed, would work best.

                        I really don't the air filter thing makes any sense. Pipercross use sponge type(or maybe sponge) material for their filters which I have seen deteriorate pretty quick, BMC on the other hand are the usual Air Filter materials.
                        Here is an extract from their Air Filter for the D200 page - BMC filters are made of a multi-layered cotton gauze soaked with low viscosity oil covered with an epoxy coated alloy mesh to ensure protection from petrol fumes and oxidization due to air humidity. Here is the page for reference - STANDARD BIKE FILTERS FM733/20 | BMC AIR FILTERS.

                        I personally believe more in facts and figures and personal experience rather than just talk. If Kiirus and Motozone would back up their claims, both top speed limiting and air filter preference, I would gladly believe them.
                        hi!! I am duke 200 owner....i was looking to install 40T rear sprocket on my duke 200...its a 2012 model so it comes with 43T......kindly tell me where I can get a 40T rear sprocket for the duke 200 in mumbai...also...i would have thought that 39T would give a calmer ride and would perform good too.. can u suggest whether to go for 39T or 40T

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                        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                          Originally posted by Cleaner View Post
                          Wait a minute, the fuel pump of Duke that costs 2300 rupees needs to be changed after every 12K KMS? Very maintenance heavy bike I'd say.
                          Where did you get that info from?

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                          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                            Originally posted by Cleaner View Post
                            Wait a minute, the fuel pump of Duke that costs 2300 rupees needs to be changed after every 12K KMS? Very maintenance heavy bike I'd say.
                            Someone might have misinformed you buddy, nowhere in the manual any such routine change is mentioned. [MENTION=61791]Cleaner[/MENTION] clean your inbox, was trying to pm you.

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                            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                              Originally posted by roysandeep82 View Post
                              hi!! I am duke 200 owner....i was looking to install 40T rear sprocket on my duke 200...its a 2012 model so it comes with 43T......kindly tell me where I can get a 40T rear sprocket for the duke 200 in mumbai...also...i would have thought that 39T would give a calmer ride and would perform good too.. can u suggest whether to go for 39T or 40T
                              The 40T would be my personal choice. Even though you wouldn't get a very big difference between 39T and 40T in terms of Acceleration and Top speed, but that's the exact reason for the 40T suggestion. The 39T will give you much slower acceleration and you will be bored of the D200, but you will gain alot of highway high speed rideablility. So I would say go for the 40T, still pretty good highway highspeed rideablility and a not so slower acceleration. 40T is a Karizma sprocket and you should buy it from the Hero SVC, both chain and rear sprocket should be of karizma.

                              On another note, now I am back to 43T as I rarely go on highway ride, mostly very very local ride. Nothing above 40-50 kmph. So didn't make sense to lose the fun D200 .
                              Also as most of us know the rear mudguard really doesn't work well in rains and lets quite alot of muck on us from rear AND looks UGLY, I have cut it. This is how it will look for now, will cut it even more and remove these indicators too, will make indicator arrangements else where
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                              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                                Originally posted by DukeDey View Post
                                Someone might have misinformed you buddy, nowhere in the manual any such routine change is mentioned. @Cleaner clean your inbox, was trying to pm you.

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                                Originally posted by splus View Post
                                Where did you get that info from?
                                Got it from this post, I too did not quite believe it, so I asked here.
                                Originally posted by N E S T O Network View Post
                                Its not your FUEL Injector Guys..Its the fuel pump you need to replace which is in the tank..me and my friend had the same problem ..and got it fixed the power feels new like before.another problem and replace with the duke parts is the fuel pump which is to be changed every 12k KMs
                                [MENTION=63586]DukeDey[/MENTION] I have cleaned up my inbox, now you can PM me. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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