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**Syed Zakir Ahamed** · 08-27-2013, 04:14 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by emothic View Post

Its free service . No labour charge . You have been cheated bro . The cost for my 2nd service at KTM showroom is 1650rs . Its engine oil and other consumables .
P.s : They changed the spark plug for me too.

Thank you so much [MENTION=49311]emothic[/MENTION]. I was in doubt, but you have boosted me up to complain against this act. I called Chandrasekar(Divisional Head for KTM) and emailed him the Scanned copy of the Bill. His immediate action made them to refund the extra charges(Chain O/H : 100/- & Spares replacement : 300/-). Now my bill for 2nd free service is 2373-400 = 1973.

Guys, please check the attachment for future reference.

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Originally posted by vikundefined View Post

Hi guys, my duke is due for 2nd servicing and it has done 3500 kms but nowadays i am having a feel while riding that duke is losing its smoothness that it use to have earlier. Is it because the bike is due for servicing and engine oil is dirty now...?
and at the 2nd servicing i am thinking of changing to motul 7100 and want to know how much would be the service bill..?
thnx

Check my recent post where I attached the scanned copy of my Bill. It will be around 2K including all the spares replaced.

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**m@v** · 08-27-2013, 04:36 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

I know the price at at KTM svc centres and the warranty they are offering with new battery is also 1 year. The latter part is kinda indigestible to me...........this is the very reason i enquired about other brands so that i get more warranty even if i have to get it from outside.
This is based upon my experience with one of my previous bikes....wherein bajaj service centre was offering 1 year warranty but when i bought same spec battery in different brand from outside it came with 2 yrs warranty.

**splus** · 08-27-2013, 05:59 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

I came back home all OK after 250 km ride, and then had a rear tire puncture at a casual ride around the same evening. Talk about "good" timing...

Now that I've ridden my bike without helmet for the first time in a month, and after some 1500 km, I can hear that my chain has been eaten. Or whatever, but it's making a funny noise of metal being grinded, with the frequency proportionate to speed. I suppose it's time to change it, and decide about the sprocket. Stock comes with 42T. As it all comes in set I will have to buy it as well, so maybe I just try that first and then 40T? Or to go for 40T straight away?
@Chethan Shivakumar did you use the stock chain with 40T sprocket?? Someone mentioned 40T would require Karizma's chain. But I've heard from my ZMR friend that he had to change the chain at every 8k rpm, even with very sane riding. He said the chain quality was very bad...

Originally posted by Chethan Shivakumar View Post

Sorry for the delayed reply guys got held up with some personal work

@splus yea i did exactly as in that video, in the blue box there are 2 connectors one red and another black( which is facing towards the front wheel) you need to disconnect the black one.
Yeap and not only is this there is also a torque limiter which merges with the speed limter and kinds a gives you a sudden cut off at 135kph in my case
Performance in my opinion is not required for me right now coz i still have a lot to play around with the bone stock engine itself, the sprocketing and ECU remap it self will give enough boost this is a perfect signs of a race breed bike

yea once i m saturated and used to the mods(Sprocketing and ECU) i ll be doing in future will think of my next steps

Actually took up the sprocketing coz i know this fellow is a torque machine and even if i go taller it will still manage to give you enough torque which you can see in the test video i found hardly 5-10% drop in the initial which is it compensate-able with the speeds extended in each gear so eventually when you ride against a stock Duke you ll still lead the way cos you ll be stretching in each gear by 10-15kph which will give you enough lead IMO

Plus my way of looking at things is i love the Vtec technology in Honda cars, I enjoy it the most when the aggressive cam gets activated in my car and i would love to have that kinda feeling in my bikes( I know i cant practically get that same thing in bikes but some where close to that feeling atleast ), meaning the awesomeness of having good initials and when your in a aggressive sprinting mode you should be able to hit good top speeds. Which after reading your reviews on KIIRIUS remap it makes me get closer to that dream. Basically you said the initials and the engine smoothness are even better after the remap. So If i get a remap plus a 39T sprocket i ll have a pocket rocket in my hands

@shv18 exactly the way i am thinking right now, we still have explored 80% of the Duke 200 capability so we have another atleast 15-20 % that we can still explore and have fun and once your saturated with that then you can think of engine mods(head porting and a high lift camshaft)

Mentioned the disconnecting part above
This will be my next move(tomo and day after) hold a multimeter check the connectivity and trace the exact wire that is from the speedo sending the speed sensing signal and make it dummy we are good to go for that i need some time coz electricals you need to spend a lot of time figuring out coz you dont wnt to mess with your warranty and bike electicals

By the way i still havent tested the bike in stock sprockets with the speed sensor disconnected but theoretically i think it should do 135-137 it self i may be wrong need to actually test it

Hey @karticraja yes yours was the post i had read about the 39T now i am surprised how your bike is not speed limited bro and i am J lol kidding but your one lucky man if its not limiting keep it revving !!!

Thanks a lot for the tip.
I will have top speed runs in next couple of days, with and without the speed limiter (and lights and blinkers) connected.
But, are you saying that there is ADDITIONAL torque limiter besides the speed limiter (and ECU rev limiter)???
Is that also being disconnected with that cable with black connector, or is it separate??

I've been thinking about the optimal acceleration and different sprockets. A very short sprocket would in fact, offer SLOWER acceleration, and if you put a very tall sprocket then acceleration would also be slower. There is an optimum sprocket setup for fastest possible acceleration, which greatly depends on the power of a bike. If the power is increased then a slightly taller sprocket would offer faster acceleration than a shorter one. But with lesser power it would be opposite.

So, it's not all about finding which sprocket offers a highest top speed, but also which sprocket will give the fastest acceleration.
This could be tested with good time measuring equipment, or even in a good old fashion way, with a drag and swapping the riders.
@Chethan Shivakumar Are you saying that you think 40T sprocket would accelerate faster than 43T sprocket?
43T sprocket gives a nice feeling of quick acceleration, but I think it would actually be slower in a drag than 42T sprocket.
However, I am not sure 40T would be faster. Maybe 41T would give the fastest acceleration?

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

I have a feeling the newer lots are further restricted to rpms of 9,800 actual reading instead of the rpm meter reading 10,050 rpm displayed on the console compared to the older models of Duke 200. The reason i am saying this is because i met Motozone guys talking about the use of a digital rpm meter on a Duke 200 to confirm the issue with the newer lot while i was there at their workshop discussing about further upgrades on my FZ - X. Hence, @splus mate if you notice you are clearly getting restricted at the top roughly around 10k whereas the other gentlemen is able to hit 10,500 rpm.

Now don't come after me with axes

, but somehow i have a sneaky suspicion that the KTM DUke 200 has been identified as a highly stressed engine by the manufacturer so much so that they are slowly cutting down on the rpms to keep the stress levels down on the newer lot. Although this is just a plain theory, i would request riders who may be are about to cross 35 - 40,000 kms to please do an inspection of the piston, rings and the valve train system to see what stresses are taking place inside the engine as a part of preventive maintenance.

The same thing was observed on TVS Apache RTR series where the first lot didn't have any rev limiter, being derived from racing pedigree. The later lots came with a rev limiter.

Cheers,

Hehe, no axes.

But I'll ask you why do you think the top speed is limited because of engine reliability just because the manufacturer limited it?
I know that most people would automatically think that, but, in THIS case (Duke 200), I think that is 100% not the case.

Let me back up this claim.
Line up a bunch of different 150-250 cc bikes next to each other, and rev them all one by one, keep them at 9k rpm for some 5 sec. And compare the sound. (redlining in neutral is bad for engine, btw, so this is just to explain it.)
I've owned R15, Apache 160 FI, 2 Apache 180s. r15 has a long stroke engine, and Yamaha had to make a very good quality engine to make it able to rev up to 10.5k rpm. Apaches are short stroke.
Just listen to the sound of each bike. Apaches are stressed at 9k rpm, and anything beyond that sounds really dirty. Definitely not good for engine.
Duke at 9k rpm sounds like it has just started to warm up.
My point is that even at 10.5k rpm Duke's engine sounds LESS stressed than any other bike at 9k rpm. In fact, even at 11.7k rpm Duke's engine doesn't feel stressed. More than 10.5k rpm, but it feels like it could do more. Just test it next to each other...

Every engine is completely different. And on top of it, the quality is different. Some bikes even go up to 18k rpm, no worries. D200's engine would explode at those rpms.
D390 makes its peak power at 9k rpm, 1k rpm lower than D200. Which means that it will probably be more stressed at 10.5k rpm than D200's engine. It's just designed to work at certain rpms.

I posted earlier the info from the SC mechanic in Bangalore where he said that in year and half they had NEVER had even one problem with Duke's engine. That says a lot about a reliability of Duke's engine, especially if taken into account that most Dukers don't really baby their bikes...

Anyway, all this story is just to say the same thing I've been saying before, and what @chinmayakar said - all those limits on Duke 125 and 200 (and who knows, maybe the future D390 owners are in for a bad surprise as well) have been done solely for business (sale) purposes.

From KTM's perspective things look very simple:
If you want to go faster than 120 kmh buy D200 instead of D125. If you want to go faster than 140 kmh then buy D390 instead of D200. If you want to go faster than 160 kmh then hello, we have a nice shining Duke 690 to sell you! And D990, and even SuperDuke 1290 that is coming in couple of months!
Duke 200 and 160 kmh? Sorry, no can! Not allowed.
Make your choice and pay the extra money for extra speed.

Come on, if a stock D200 could go 150 kmh and go 0-100 kmh in 8 sec with a better ECU map then FOR SURE D390 sales would suffer.
Same with D390, we saw those videos from Austria how D390 does power wheelies easily and does 0-100 kmh in not more than 5 sec, but few months later no power wheelies and 0-100 kmh is closer to 6 sec. What happened? Nothing, KTM realized they wouldn't sell many D690s if D390 performed that well.
Simple business mathematics... That's why all those extra wires and limiters.

The good news is that we are slowly becoming aware of all those limits and how to overcome them, and finding the best ways to increase BOTH acceleration and top speed.
The best news is that D200's engine is one hell of a capable and punchy engine, and bike's performance can be increased a LOT!

I suspect that D200's sales in India will be increasing more and more as people become more aware of what this baby is capable of.

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Hi Serge, Shv and everybody out here. Went for a weekend ride to Pavna Dam with the KTM D200 Mumbai group. There were 6 bikes and riders. Apart from my bike, there were 2 more bikes that were remapped. 1 with Kiirus and other with RD. Apart from that 2 riders on stock D200 were taking it easy as it was a wet day for major part of the ride. The third stock D200 rider was riding very good.

From what I experienced, my Duke was just shooting at every possible oppurtunity. I thoroughly enjoyed the ride. I feel Kiirus remap has made Duke lot quicker and smoother. Stock Duke does not stand a chance in acceleration. Couldnt check the RD equipped Duke as the rider was taking it easy.

My Duke hits 125-126 very fast, and NO the engine does not feel stressed. Theres a nice turbine like whinning noise when you push harder. One thing I like to mention, Dukes Engine can take a lot of abuse. No matter how hard you try, it is just not possible to break this engine. No matter how hard you push, theres never any unwanted chatter or clanking from the engine.

Any other bike, with the way I ride my bike, would have given up by now.

However, I am starting to accept the fact that the Top Speed is restricted. There were lot of oppurtunities to push the bike to check the top end, and every time it was like stuck on 129 with entire road ahead. I could see revvs climbing though. I remember one instance where I held on to 5th for little longer, and there was no cut off. I wasnt thrown back in the traditional rev-limiter style. But, while I was trying this, none of the stock D200 could even come near by.

This happened when I was riding along side the stock D200 rider. I was on 5th and then both of us started to rev hard. Stock D200 couldnt come close, and when I hit 6th I was very far ahead.

Also, got an oppurtunity to drag with the other Kiirus tuned D200, and my bike just shot off. That bike was running 43 teeth rear sprocket against mine 42 teeth.

All the talk about a chip in the speedo restricting the top end, and the revs that appear on the speedo are false, I am starting to believe that.

Also, I have just completed 1st free servicing. I want to test the top speed again after next free service when they set the rpm limit higher.

Now I understand, that the rpm limit set by Service Centre is just a blinking light which tells us to shift, however, I have my reasons to believe other wise.

If none of those work, my last ditch effort would be to pay either Kiirus or Vikram 1000 bucks and get that limiter removed once and for all.

An update: I spoke to Abhishek today morning, and he explained to me quite well about the chip in the speedo that is restricting the top end. He explicitly mentioned, he does not want to tamper with the speedo, as there are too many wires involved, and involves lot of man hour.

Basically he has to cut a wire that connects to the ECU, and that would be a trial and error method for someone who hasn't done it in the past.

He asked to get it done from Vikram.

Yup...
Even at my first ride of D200 (which was a 200 km ride from Chennai showroom to my place) I noticed that the bike suddenly slows down at around 125 kmh. Which doesn't make much sense because because the peak power is yet to come at 10k rpm. And it doesn't correspond to acceleration in other gears where there is no slowdown at all.
Obviously something fishy there...
@Chethan Shivakumar mentioned that there is torque limiter as well? @chinmayakar I will try to do test runs with that speed and lights/blinkers cable connected and disconnected. Can you do the same? And if there is a change then go to Motozone to get that limiter off.

I don't think there is ANYTHING apart from gear shifting light that is changed at any service. Any change would require either some additional chips, or remapping the ECU to cut off earlier. It is just technically not possible for SC guys to do such a change.

Apparently some bikes don't have a speed limiter, and some do. Those that don't - consider yourselves lucky and enjoy it!

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Well the older D 200 did have their ECU's flashed and toned down when they came for service. The newer lots are further more restricted.

However, while EU norms could be one of the reasons for restricting the rpm, it also makes business sense to maintain a gap between its products.

If I were in the market offering D200 and D390 and both of them capable of hitting similar top end, I too would restrict D200 for obvious reasons.

Please check the video link. This is exactly how my speed was restricted. The guy below is running 39 teeth sprocket. However, my experience was exactly same.

This video shows EXACTLY the limiter I have as well!
The speed limiter also kicks in at 137 kmh, and you can see that it is sharp and short. The ECU rev limiter, on the other hand, is much softer, it gently cuts the power. The speed limiter is mean, it'll throw you forward because of its sudden cut off.

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Specifying wrong grade of oil to be used and providing wrong time intervals is not good business practice. The service cum owner manual clearly states that the first service is at 1000 kms and the consecutive ones are after every 5000Kms or 365 days. Not 150 days. His bike has only done around 3K Kms and he doesn't have to service it yet. Also the services are not logged in KTM dealer site, I checked his VIN, it's not in there.

Here's the form to contact KTM India http://agni.bajajauto.co.in:7081/Web...mplaintForm.do

Dude, it is you who is providing wrong information, not KTM. Please don't post some info in a way as if you are sure about it, especially if it is not accurate. Asking it as a question is completely OK, but saying it in this tone isn't OK.
As @ynike99 already said, the owner's manual CLEARLY says service intervals are at 1k, 6k, 11k (3 free), 16k, 21k, 26k, 30k (4 paid) km OR 120 days from the last service, "whichever occurs earlier".

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Why not? Maybe because of some business related issues. According to the KTM D200 service manual, the grade of oil to be used when outside temperature is between 0 to 50 degree Celsius is 15W50. And when the outsize temperature is between -10 to 40 degrees it is 10W40. Most common temperature encountered in India is between 0 to 50 degree Celsius so the correct grade would be 15W50 IMHO.

And the service schedules as shown in the manual, posted it here before

These are both foreign manuals. Indian says the oil to be used is 20W50.
However, if you're living in colder climate, especially with colder winters then 15W50 is OK to use, and probably even better.
The first number (15 or 20W) is viscosity of oil at lower temperatures, closer to 0 degrees C, and the second number (50W in this case) is the viscosity of oil at higher temperatures, engine operating temperatures closer to 100 C.
If outside is cold then you can use 15W50, but the second number should be 50W because that's the "prescribed" Duke's oil viscosity at engine's operating temperature.

About the second photo - that has nothing to do with service intervals.
The photo is the table of individual parts that need to be checked, and the intervals at which these parts need to be checked. Some parts need to be checked more often, some less.

Originally posted by m@v View Post

guys lately my running has gone down and one day when i tried starting the bike it refused. I got the battery charged and managed to reach service centre. The SE checked the battery health and reported the cells are dead and battery needs to be replaced.
Now the question is how much is the warranty on battery(my bike is 1.5 yrs old)?

SE told me its one year but still want to be assured of same.
Say if its 1 year then what are the other options apart from exide in same size and rating?

Yes, battery and electricals are 1 year only. The rest of the bike is 2 years.
Sorry, I wouldn't know about other batteries...

**chinmayakar** · 08-27-2013, 06:17 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] Sorry Serge, looks like I missed the part where you guys were discussing about the wires in the speedo. Is there a wire in the console that I can unplug to get past the speed limiter? Will the speedo still show the speed and other info after unplugging it? Let me know, I shall try it and get back.

Also, let me know what will be the possible outcomes of unplugging the wires.

Completely agree with whatever points you mentioned. regarding the noise from your chain sprocket, try lubing it. I too faced the same issue. The thing is, after Kiirus remap, I ride very hard. Late shifts, aggressive throttle inputs. This causes the chain sprocket to dry up, and possibly the noise.

I cleaned it, lubed it and kept it over night, the noise went away.

**splus** · 08-27-2013, 06:29 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

@splus Sorry Serge, looks like I missed the part where you guys were discussing about the wires in the speedo. Is there a wire in the console that I can unplug to get past the speed limiter? Will the speedo still show the speed and other info after unplugging it? Let me know, I shall try it and get back.

Also, let me know what will be the possible outcomes of unplugging the wires.

Completely agree with whatever points you mentioned. regarding the noise from your chain sprocket, try lubing it. I too faced the same issue. The thing is, after Kiirus remap, I ride very hard. Late shifts, aggressive throttle inputs. This causes the chain sprocket to dry up, and possibly the noise.

I cleaned it, lubed it and kept it over night, the noise went away.

OK, here's my post with quoting [MENTION=53683]Chethan Shivakumar[/MENTION] and the post of [MENTION=41871]ynike99[/MENTION] with German video of D125 where the guy unplugs the cable.

KTM 200 Duke - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcycle-ownership-experiences/21737-ktm-200-duke-359.html#post982694

Share what you think about the motorcycle you own or have owned in the past.

As [MENTION=53683]Chethan Shivakumar[/MENTION] says, the black connector needs to be unplugged from a bigger blue connector. That blue connector holds two small connectors. It's just behind and inside from the front part of left bottom tank panel, to the left of the fork.
Speed still shows OK, it only disconnects the front lights and blinkers. In fact, the video says the dim light and blinkers, but Chethan said it disconnects front headlight and blinkers.

Easy unplug and plug back after you try it...

**chinmayakar** · 08-27-2013, 06:29 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

Great info there!
It looks like you did exactly what was described in the video below.
See my comment to it as well.

I wrote before that in the first ECU map I had (last year, before KTM limited the revs in 5th and 6th to 10k rpm) my top speed was cutting off at some 136 kmh. Which was puzzling for me at the time because I thought the rev limiter kicks in at 139 kmh for all.

I still haven't been able to test if I'm able to go faster than 135 kmh with Kiirus ECU remap, but I hope I will be able to test that tomorrow.
I might easily have the same kind of limiter as you, regardless of ECU remap and ability to rev upto 11,700 rpm...

It looks like, after all, that D200 DOES have some kind of speed limiter, separate from ECU rev limiter. That sucks.
And it looks like it's not there in all the bikes, or at least, if it's there in all bikes the speed limit is different in different bikes.

Btw, since you're in Blore you might want to contact Joel (as recommended by @chinmayakar) and see what he has in mind in regard to performance upgrades for Duke.

Looks like somehow I overlooked this post. I checked the video in which the guy removes the socket below the Tank. Before, I decide to try this, will this only cause blinkers and lights to not function? Also, sorry for this silly question, obviously the speedo wont be working right?

I am too excited to try this out ASAP. Please give your suggestions.

Thing that amazed was the massive gain in the top end in the video by just unplugging the socket.

I also checked Chetan's post and am confused by the below numbers that he posted. Was he able to beat the speed limiter by unplugging the socket?

Speed sensor connector disconnected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 145(135)

Speed sensor connected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 135(135)

**Doga** · 08-27-2013, 06:35 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

I came back home all OK after 250 km ride, and then had a rear tire puncture at a casual ride around the same evening. Talk about "good" timing...

Now that I've ridden my bike without helmet for the first time in a month, and after some 1500 km, I can hear that my chain has been eaten. Or whatever, but it's making a funny noise of metal being grinded, with the frequency proportionate to speed. I suppose it's time to change it, and decide about the sprocket. Stock comes with 42T. As it all comes in set I will have to buy it as well, so maybe I just try that first and then 40T? Or to go for 40T straight away?
@Chethan Shivakumar did you use the stock chain with 40T sprocket?? Someone mentioned 40T would require Karizma's chain. But I've heard from my ZMR friend that he had to change the chain at every 8k rpm, even with very sane riding. He said the chain quality was very bad...

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Your chain may need replacement. But the sound is definitely not because chain needs replacement!
The rubber chain slider does surely. It gets worn out with time and the screw which holds the slider in place now comes with continuous contact with the chain. Hence the metallic sound. The screw would also need to be changed.

**splus** · 08-27-2013, 06:39 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Looks like somehow I overlooked this post. I checked the video in which the guy removes the socket below the Tank. Before, I decide to try this, will this only cause blinkers and lights to not function? Also, sorry for this silly question, obviously the speedo wont be working right?

I am too excited to try this out ASAP. Please give your suggestions.

Thing that amazed was the massive gain in the top end in the video by just unplugging the socket.

I just posted my reply, but just to clarify.
The speedo will work, just as you can see in that video of D125. Only front headlight (or dim light?) and front blinkers won't work.

The info about speedo not working was told to me by Abhishek from Kiirus. As you also talked to him, he was just guessing about it since he's not really ready to fiddle with those wires. Motozone guys, apparently are OK with it. But please, talk to them as well, I'm not sure if they have a COMPLETE knowledge (the big picture) of that limiter.
It looks like it's just one of these wires needs to be cut out from that cable that is unplugged. The rest of the wires are for lights. If we can pinpoint which wire is the bad guy then we're flying!

Chethan mentioned another torque limiter, not sure if that is disabled with unplugging that same cable or not.

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Originally posted by Doga View Post

Your chain may need replacement. But the sound is definitely not because chain needs replacement!
The rubber chain slider does surely. It gets worn out with time and the screw which holds the slider in place now comes with continuous contact with the chain. Hence the metallic sound. The screw would also need to be changed.

But the sound isn't constant. It's repeating at a certain frequency, which is proportional to the speed. I've tried hearing it with clutch pressed, and it's repeating faster the faster the bike goes.
So, it means it's only a certain part of the chain that gets into contact with the slider...

**chinmayakar** · 08-27-2013, 06:46 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Serge, looks like we are posting at the same time. Sorry for that and thank you for clearing my doubts. If the speedo works after unplugging the socket, well and good.

Also, was Chetan able to clock higher top speed by unplugging the socket? I will be meeting Dharmesh (Kiirus's mech) sometime this week. Will unplug and plug the socket with him by my side, in case something goes wrong.

Are there any other limiters that we should be aware off. After messing with the speedo chip we realise theres one more limiter. But a good learning experience.

I will be going with Abhimanyu Sir to meet Vikram sometime this weekend or next. I will let Abhimanyu Sir talk to him about his limiter thing, and if getting past it will surely work.

Its a boon to have such knowledgeable people around in times like these especially when I lack in this department.

**Syed Zakir Ahamed** · 08-27-2013, 06:56 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

But the sound isn't constant. It's repeating at a certain frequency, which is proportional to the speed. I've tried hearing it with clutch pressed, and it's repeating faster the faster the bike goes.
So, it means it's only a certain part of the chain that gets into contact with the slider...

First of all I appreciate your patience in drafting the Post. Either the Post should come to an end or the reader should complete a day to cover your post.

Just Kidding.
I think the sound what you are referring to, was one of my old problem(I am not 100% sure). Try lubing the chain and test.

**splus** · 08-27-2013, 06:58 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Thing that amazed was the massive gain in the top end in the video by just unplugging the socket.

I also checked Chetan's post and am confused by the below numbers that he posted. Was he able to beat the speed limiter by unplugging the socket?

Speed sensor connector disconnected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 145(135)

Speed sensor connected
1 - 44(41)
2 - 67(60)
3 - 88(80)
4 - 110(101)
5 - 130(120)
6 - 135(135)

Yes, exactly.
I don't think any more power was available, it's only that the SPEED limiter wasn't cutting off any more. Maybe [MENTION=53683]Chethan Shivakumar[/MENTION] can comment on this?

Basically, IF your bike has a speed limiter - unplugging that black socket will disable it.
I think there's 3-4 wires in that socket, and probably only one wire is the limiter. Someone with some tools needs to check which wires are for lights and blinkers, and which one is for the limiter.

**chinmayakar** · 08-27-2013, 07:17 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

Yes, exactly.
I don't think any more power was available, it's only that the SPEED limiter wasn't cutting off any more. Maybe @Chethan Shivakumar can comment on this?

Basically, IF your bike has a speed limiter - unplugging that black socket will disable it.
I think there's 3-4 wires in that socket, and probably only one wire is the limiter. Someone with some tools needs to check which wires are for lights and blinkers, and which one is for the limiter.

Just came back from the office parking lot after checking my bike. On the left hand side below the petrol tank there are 3 sockets.

1. A red colour, with blue plug, This one is screwed and is very tight. This plug is also quite thick. Tried to unplug it once or twice but it was very tight.

2. next, is a thinner socket with black plug

3. And, finally another thick socket which is also screwed tightly, and the is fairly thick.

Theres, one more blue socket below the speedometer and there are lots of thin wires.

So, which one is it? I am thinking of unplugging it and check the speed on my way back.

**splus** · 08-27-2013, 07:33 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Just came back from the office parking lot after checking my bike. On the left hand side below the petrol tank there are 3 sockets.

1. A red colour, with blue plug, This one is screwed and is very tight. This plug is also quite thick. Tried to unplug it once or twice but it was very tight.

2. next, is a thinner socket with black plug

3. And, finally another thick socket which is also screwed tightly, and the is fairly thick.

Theres, one more blue socket below the speedometer and there are lots of thin wires.

So, which one is it? I am thinking of unplugging it and check the speed on my way back.

It's as described below:

Originally posted by Chethan Shivakumar View Post

@splus yea i did exactly as in that video, in the blue box there are 2 connectors one red and another black( which is facing towards the front wheel) you need to disconnect the black one.

And the video where it is clearly shown:

Originally posted by ynike99 View Post

Also, those with understanding of german, please explain what this guy didbin video.
KTM Duke 125 entdrosseln wie die Yamaha Yzf R-125 - YouTube

I haven't tried it yet but I will tomorrow or day after.
If it is fixed strongly then maybe it needs some more force. I had a look as well, and they seem pretty solid. Maybe there's a small safety clip at the side of the socket that needs to be pressed in order to pull out the socket?

**Chethan Shivakumar** · 08-27-2013, 10:11 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

@Chethan Shivakumar did you use the stock chain with 40T sprocket?? Someone mentioned 40T would require Karizma's chain. But I've heard from my ZMR friend that he had to change the chain at every 8k rpm, even with very sane riding. He said the chain quality was very bad...

But, are you saying that there is ADDITIONAL torque limiter besides the speed limiter (and ECU rev limiter)???
Is that also being disconnected with that cable with black connector, or is it separate??

@Chethan Shivakumar Are you saying that you think 40T sprocket would accelerate faster than 43T sprocket?
43T sprocket gives a nice feeling of quick acceleration, but I think it would actually be slower in a drag than 42T sprocket.
However, I am not sure 40T would be faster. Maybe 41T would give the fastest acceleration?

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] i am currently using the 40T sprocket of Karizma with my Duke chain as my bike has done only 6K kms and chain is in good shape. ZMR chain not sure havent tested it.

About the torque limiter being there is confirmed but i dont the nature of how it activates. If you ask me by experience the speed and torque limiter activates at the same time in the Duke200 is what i personally feel, Coz once i hit 135-137 its just a torque cut off not fuel cut off like it happens when we hit the rev limiter.

Deciding on which sprocket again is once personal choice and riding style in my opinion. But my way of looking at it is utilizing the full potential, example comparing the 40T vs 43T the power of the bike is over quickly in each gear as the bike reaches the RPM quickly but at the same time on the 40T the engines torque is utilized in a much better way when compared against the 43T but no doubt that there will be at a little compromise of the initial by 5-10% IMO. But like i mentioned earlier in a straight line drag the 40T will out beat the 43T coz you can stretch in each gear by 10-15kph more

**katoom** · 08-27-2013, 10:21 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hey Guys,

Have been following this very interesting topic for quite a while now. Seems KTM has gone to lengths to keep the bike restricted. Just not sure about the torque limiter though, I just saw the specs of the bike again, it says 25 PS @ 10000 RPM and 19 Nm @ 8000 rpm. I think what we can infer from here is that the engine characteristics themselves may not allow for more torque to be produced. If the peak is reached at 8000 rpm itself, the higher rpms are going to have a lower torque anyway, in theory. Of course, we may have to dig deeper into engine maps and a proper dyno test at one point of time to find out this whole matter.

Just my two cents

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