Re: KTM 200 Duke

What spares would you carry while touring on Duke 200??

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Basics for any extensive touring of 3000 - 5000+ kms in India:

* Chain & Sprockets set
* Clutch cable
* Footrest Levers (They usually are the first one to go if you know Kaaboom! )
* Brake and Clutch Levers
* Gear lever
* If possible, a can of Engine oil of your preference (though most cities usually have Motul and other branded oils available nowadays and also Duke 200 has a huge service interval)
* A Toolkit allowing you to DIY troubleshoot

I think that is more than enough to get the basics covered. Unless you are going for a trip like Ewan McGregor's "Long Way Round and Long Way Down" series, the above mentioned items according to my experience is good enough to take care of your touring needs.

Before any extensive touring, one should go for a proper service and preventive maintenance to get rid of any parts showing signs of fatigue. i.e. USD forks oil seals, Chains or Sprockets, Spark Plug, air filter etc. If the ride is extensive then as a part of preventive maintenance, one should replace the clutch plates and clutch cable if your Duke 200 has crossed 20- 25k kms on the ODO.

I would personally recommend filling the tires with anti puncture sealant like Ride On TPS or Slime as well. Will offer you quite a lot of protection against unwanted punctures in a desolated spot.


Hope this helps...

Cheers,

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WTF is the mechanic an idiot or what...make sure u get it fixed. the first service interval is at 1000km from delivery..

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The BMW guy down shifts like a total noob...No blipping..no revving...
I mean come on even I down shift better than him..!!

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@splus, @shv18, @DukeDey, @chinmayakar since all you guys were interested in the speed limter part tagging you all here. Yesterday after about 5 hrs of checking testing with multimeter i couldnt trace that one cable which runs from the speedo to the CDI which sends the speed signal. There is a Blue and white coloured cable which runs from the speedo along with other colour wires and the CDI has 2 such blue and white colour wires connected, but when tested for connectivity it didnt have the continuity from the speedo to this junction. I was able to fig out the ground simple one and the HL and indicator cables though so 3 down out of the 6 cables in the socket. So what i ll have to do is do an on road test to try which is that one cable which is sending signals.

From what i can guess is it cant be one single cable but its a sequence of voltage signals that sends a high voltage signal telling its reached a particular speed, again this is my guess until i test it 100% i wont guarantee this.

One other peice of info i can give is i tried this same set up on my friends bike which is a Mar 12 reg (Feb 12 manf) the first lot i think. Same sprocket(40T) and it did 147Kph with ease no speed limiter. So our other member Karthik's bike (i think who has tried the 39T and no speed limter) also could be a feb or mar manf which doesnt have the speed limiter. The speed limter started from the Apr 12 manf batch as confirmed by my SVC guy.

So which months are your bikes manf ?

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Eagerly waiting for your results Chethan. What about unplugging the socket and performing a speed run? Did you try to unplug the scoket? Did that register higher top speed?

Mine is May 2013 registered, manufactured in April 2013.

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Duke 200 needs chain replacement ....stock or any aftermarket ???

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Also one more reason why i can confirm that the pre Apr 12 didnt have speed limiter is one of my other friend is running a RD ECU re programmable one and is hitting top speeds of 145kph with out any mods ( no sprocket changes also ) his is also a Mar 12 reg bike. So a simple suggestion i can look for is find a friend who has a bike from Mar 12 and swap the ECU from him/her if they are not inclined towards more top end

Yes chinmayakar i have posted my test video in page 717 socket unplugged 146kph and socket plugged in 135kph setup is stock bike with no mods except for 40T rear sprocket both tests done on the same setup back to back testing

Stock is better if your getting aftermarket get it from KTM powerparts those are of much higher quality than the stock one

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I always carry an air pump, a good small pressure meter (because the one on a pump isn't really accurate) and a puncture kit. Who knows where you can get a puncture...

And what [MENTION=32641]shv18[/MENTION] recommended...

There's a thread on xbhp of a Duke that went to Ladakh last year, and apart from amazing photos and travelogue, he also says what additional spares he was carrying.



Yeah, he isn't a very good rider (KTM one is), but he wasn't even trying.
You can see how he was slowing down well before each corner so KTM can pass him.
He just wanted to keep the KTM in his camera...


Man, it's great you're doing this! Thank you!
Have you tried to find the right wire the other way? To find which wires are those for the headlight, the dim light and for the blinkers?
That should be easy - just first turn on the dim light and check the wires, and then the HL, and then the high beam, and then left and right blinkers. And see which wires get the current.
And if there's one (or two) left that didn't get any current then that might be it!

I bought my bike beginning of Aug last year.
And I was looking and choosing amongst 15 different bikes, trying to find the newest one. Fool!

You missed his original first post again!
He wrote down the test run top speeds, and said that with the cable plugged it was cutting off at 135 kmh, and with cable unplugged it was 145 kmh.

It's there in his video. De facto proves the existence of separate speed limiter in D200, and it's the same cable as in that D125 video.

I can say, from my experience, that the cut off is quite different - the ECU rev limiter cuts off the power in much softer way. The speed limiter is sharp and very short, it'll throw you forward a bit.

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Yeap the thing is the 3 wires black ground and one wire for HL and parking one for indicator so 3 down thats how i did my testing after a long checking and slowly negating each wire. So now 3 wires left one is orange and other 2 wires are blue n white combo so these 3 wires are no where connected to the HL, parking or indicator or any other thing. Infact this orange is not there in any connection behind the HL area might be coming in from the ignition coil side is my assumption. Like you said its a sharp cut on the speed limter unlike the rev limiter where you can feel that fuel cutting off. This speed limiter cut is where u feel the ignition or toque or some curve change and puts you back to 130ish speed from 135-139.

Lol i would have done the same thing like you did in choosing the bike who knew that the first lot had no speed restriction. Lesson learnt if i want to pick up a 390 i ll look for the first lot heheheh

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Serge, Chethan yes its my bad, I missed the post. Yup, went through the video, and it is quite clear, the speed limiter is messing up big time. Thanks to your efforts Chethan, you are the saviour

My bike is running on 42 teeth rear sprocket (stock), and I have experienced speed limiter limiting me at 129. Would I also see similar top end by unplugging the socket. Mind you, I am using Kiirus remapped ECU, and acceleration is astounding.

Stock Dukes dont come close.

However, I also checked the left had side of my Duke and could find 3 sockets. 1 is a slightly bigger, red colour I think, the other is a thin black colour socket, and the third one, I could not see, but could feel.

I guess it is this socket that i should be unplugging right, not the red one?

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no worries Yeap not the red n not the small black(fuse) you need to the unplug the last black one ..

And when i can see a top speed of 145kph with just a sprocket change to 40T and speed sensor disconnected. With your remap and 42T i think you do a lot better than stock around same 145kph i assume with speed sensor disconnected. If you also change to a 40T sprocket i am sure you ll see speed of above 150+

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No, no, it's not in the ECU.
It's most probably inside the speedo console. So the old bikes should find themselves limited if they replace the speedo...
But most definitely it's not in the ECU.

Regarding the wires - now that you have found which ones are for the lights and blinkers - can you anyhow unplug those remaining 3 wires? Is it possible to somehow take them out of the socket?
And check if the bike works ok and has lights... If those 3 wires are out then there should be no limiter.
There should be no danger because the bike runs well with entire socket taken out.

What was your top end speed before the Kiirus ECU?
About the cables to disconnect - that German video of D125 shows perfectly which socket to disconnect. There are black and red sockets inside a big blue one. You need to take out the black one. Not the small separate black one that is just next to the big blue socket.

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Ive seen 140 on my speedo, on older map, now its 136 tops.april purchase, not sure of manufacture date.will kiirus map increase topspeed?
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Did not check the top end before the remap.

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By single projector setup you mean, two indivisual projector for high and low beam? That would be better than bi-xenon(but not by much) because those lens are indivisually designed for a particular beam pattern and they are very good at it but the drawback would be fitting two projectors inside the small reflector, one would fit in the stock socket, for the other we might have to drill holes or something. Then we would need to fiddle with the wiring as well.

The ordinary headlight high beam covers more distance than the projector low beam, but projector low beam itself projects longer and wider than the ordinary low beam, that too with more light intensity. Whatever portion the projector beam covers is always better lit than ordinary high/low beam.

You should be looking at a parabolic reflector from the pulsar 220's(high beam), it focuses most of the light at a spot and if focused good can throw all the light as a bright round spot 70-80 metres ahead of the bike. I found it better than the projector high beam. It is the least light scattering high beam reflector I have seen. This along with a low beam projector setup like in the 220 is the best lighting you can get. This would take a lot of mods though.