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**chinmayakar** · 08-26-2013, 02:50 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by wallpapers123 View Post

@chinmayakar...I went there too on saturday with @Sanchit Arora till amby valley...How far did u go??

Hi! It was too foggy with visibility reduced to few metres. We returned back from few KMs before Amby Valley. You too were on Duke? Didn't see any other Duke there apart from couple of P200 NS and a Ninja 650, 300 CBR 600 (I guess).

Let me know if you plan to ride next time.

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Originally posted by shv18 View Post

I am glad that you are enjoying the bike.

The RPM meter even on R1 and R6 are not correct. There is a special rpm digital meter gauge which will show you the anomaly. Similarly the speedo reading on the KTM nor on my bike or any other bike is wrong by a minimum of 5%. That much error is acceptable and are within the standards of any car or motorcycle manufacturer. If you still have doubts, i have a Gtech RR Pro Precision series GPS Data logger to prove it.

Thirdly, you felt the rush of acceleration which stands true because of the change in fuelling, however the top speed and the rpms not climbing beyond 10k @ 6th gear besides other video shared by the gentlemen confirms my suspicion that newer lot has got more restrictions and most likely we can blame the EU and long term reliability factors behind that..

I still feel instead of jumping straight into engine modifications, one should first first explore all these options and see if these simple mods satisfy you need for more speed. :P

Cheers,

Regarding revs being limited, in 5th I could go more than 10500 rpm without being cut off, however, from what I understood after speaking with Abhishek, the speed is limited, due to business interests of KTM. As per him, there will be no harm to the engine, as the first lot of D200 could hit 145+.

At 129 too, I never encountered rev limter, it was like something was holding it back at 129.

The other D200 with Kiirus remap was from 1st lot.

And during the high speed run, he was constantly ahead of me by 200-300 metres. He witnessed 135 on his speedo.

D200 is capable of hitting 140+ however with bigger Duke now in the market D200 is lot more restricted.

I have heard from a lot of people D125 is even more fun than the D200, but that too is restricted on various levels.

I will start off by getting this limiter removed at motozone once I have completed all the free services.

**wallpapers123** · 08-26-2013, 03:04 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Hi! It was too foggy with visibility reduced to few metres. We returned back from few KMs before Amby Valley. You too were on Duke? Didn't see any other Duke there apart from couple of P200 NS and a Ninja 650, 300 CBR 600 (I guess).

Let me know if you plan to ride next time.

Yes we were on our dukes...And yeah it was foggy as hell..All I could see was the indicator LED of the other duke..
Let us know if u know any other good roads around there..

**shv18** · 08-26-2013, 08:31 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Regarding revs being limited, in 5th I could go more than 10500 rpm without being cut off, however, from what I understood after speaking with Abhishek, the speed is limited, due to business interests of KTM. As per him, there will be no harm to the engine, as the first lot of D200 could hit 145+.

At 129 too, I never encountered rev limter, it was like something was holding it back at 129.

The other D200 with Kiirus remap was from 1st lot.

And during the high speed run, he was constantly ahead of me by 200-300 metres. He witnessed 135 on his speedo.

D200 is capable of hitting 140+ however with bigger Duke now in the market D200 is lot more restricted.

I have heard from a lot of people D125 is even more fun than the D200, but that too is restricted on various levels.

I will start off by getting this limiter removed at motozone once I have completed all the free services.

I have my doubts... If that were the case then the manufacturer would have tweaked all the Duke 200s while they come for servicing, old or new in order to not compete with 390. All you need to do is to try one of the old speedo console of the 1st/ 2nd gen KTM Duke 200 mounted on your bike and you will see the rpms flying past 10,000 rpm even @6th Gear.

Duke is capable of hitting 165 kmph as well.. but what we are talking about is not the capabilities but rather a decision of a manufacturer to limit rpms based on a certain data and EU mandates.

Cheers,

**chinmayakar** · 08-26-2013, 09:58 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

I have my doubts... If that were the case then the manufacturer would have tweaked all the Duke 200s while they come for servicing, old or new in order to not compete with 390. All you need to do is to try one of the old speedo console of the 1st/ 2nd gen KTM Duke 200 mounted on your bike and you will see the rpms flying past 10,000 rpm even @6th Gear.

Duke is capable of hitting 165 kmph as well.. but what we are talking about is not the capabilities but rather a decision of a manufacturer to limit rpms based on a certain data and EU mandates.

Cheers,

Well the older D 200 did have their ECU's flashed and toned down when they came for service. The newer lots are further more restricted.

However, while EU norms could be one of the reasons for restricting the rpm, it also makes business sense to maintain a gap between its products.

If I were in the market offering D200 and D390 and both of them capable of hitting similar top end, I too would restrict D200 for obvious reasons.

Please check the video link. This is exactly how my speed was restricted. The guy below is running 39 teeth sprocket. However, my experience was exactly same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX-okk3y9xE

**vikundefined** · 08-26-2013, 11:58 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Second service is at 6000Kms or after 365 days from the first service. PM me your VIN, I'll check out your service history.

As u can see in d above pic second service is at 6000kms or at 150 days. Sorry for the quality of pic it was taken from my phone.

**Cleaner** · 08-27-2013, 12:11 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

That was just the coupon, not the service interval I think. They are giving it a time of 150 days, they are assuming that one would clock 6000Kms on the Duke at 150 days. I think it's not very ethical for them to do so. Send an E-mail to KTM informing this. Are they logging your services properly?

Also correct engine oil grade for 200 Duke is 15W50 not 20W50 as mentioned in the manual. Lodge a complaint as soon as possible.

**vikundefined** · 08-27-2013, 12:34 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

That was just the coupon, not the service interval I think. They are giving it a time of 150 days, they are assuming that one would clock 6000Kms on the Duke at 150 days. I think it's not very ethical for them to do so. Send an E-mail to KTM informing this. Are they logging your services properly?

Also correct engine oil grade for 200 Duke is 15W50 not 20W50 as mentioned in the manual. Lodge a complaint as soon as possible.

I don't think so they are logging the service properly. They just check if one has the service coupon and see how many kms bike has done that's it. Can u tell me the email address for ktm india. thanks

**ynike99** · 08-27-2013, 12:39 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

That was just the coupon, not the service interval I think. They are giving it a time of 150 days, they are assuming that one would clock 6000Kms on the Duke at 150 days. I think it's not very ethical for them to do so. Send an E-mail to KTM informing this. Are they logging your services properly?

Also correct engine oil grade for 200 Duke is 15W50 not 20W50 as mentioned in the manual. Lodge a complaint as soon as possible.

????
Complain what? All services of all vehicles have time and km based intervals.Even if you dont complete 6k in the 150 days, you are bound to service your vehicle and vice versa in order to retain warranty.And oil grade is 20w50, 15w50 is for foreign countries where ambient temperature would be cooler and that figure is from pdf manual.
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**Cleaner** · 08-27-2013, 02:47 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Specifying wrong grade of oil to be used and providing wrong time intervals is not good business practice. The service cum owner manual clearly states that the first service is at 1000 kms and the consecutive ones are after every 5000Kms or 365 days. Not 150 days. His bike has only done around 3K Kms and he doesn't have to service it yet. Also the services are not logged in KTM dealer site, I checked his VIN, it's not in there.

Here's the form to contact KTM India http://agni.bajajauto.co.in:7081/Web...mplaintForm.do

**ynike99** · 08-27-2013, 03:16 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Specifying wrong grade of oil to be used and providing wrong time intervals is not good business practice. The service cum owner manual clearly states that the first service is at 1000 kms and the consecutive ones are after every 5000Kms or 365 days. Not 150 days. His bike has only done around 3K Kms and he doesn't have to service it yet. Also the services are not logged in KTM dealer site, I checked his VIN, it's not in there.

Here's the form to contact KTM India http://agni.bajajauto.co.in:7081/Web...mplaintForm.do

Dude, you are seriously getting something wrong here, and misguidimg other fellow rider.please read the manual carefully after which you'll understand that first service is at 1000kms, and next services are at 5000kms interval or 120 days, whichever is earlier.I hope you get the point, if not, read the manual.Please dont misguide someone.Also, 15w50 is NOT for india, confirmed by ktm west zone head service

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**glider99** · 08-27-2013, 10:35 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally Posted by devesh38
After i received my bike from service i noticed that the time on console has been changed. I am not able to find my manual, Can anyone tell me how to change time?
Also earlier the average speed, mileage, l/km and kms to service details used to change automatically every 5 secs or so while riding, Now it remains constant. Does anyone know how to toggle between these two settings.?

Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post

1.go to odo MODE
2.hold MODE & SET BUTTONS TILL TIME BLINKS
3.Use MODE to change the hour and SET for minute.
4.HOLD MODE AND SET To fonaloze and confo the time you entered.

Maybe your set button was stuck the whole time because it doesn't shift through the display like that...

hi,

after my battery has been disconnected my time has been changed.
now when i try to set the time as per manual and instruction above. as last step no. 4 i am supposed to press and hold the mode and set button to confirm the time i have entered simultaneously.
this does not work for me.
i have tried maybe 50 times, but every time either the minutes or the hours change, means that i have pressed the set or the mode button first and thus it is not recognized by the system as being pressed simultaneously. but i have tried so many times to press the mode and set button together and it can be only fractions of a second apart.
any trick or work around?

**Cleaner** · 08-27-2013, 10:52 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Why not? Maybe because of some business related issues. According to the KTM D200 service manual, the grade of oil to be used when outside temperature is between 0 to 50 degree Celsius is 15W50. And when the outsize temperature is between -10 to 40 degrees it is 10W40. Most common temperature encountered in India is between 0 to 50 degree Celsius so the correct grade would be 15W50 IMHO.

And the service schedules as shown in the manual, posted it here before

**ynike99** · 08-27-2013, 11:52 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Why not? Maybe because of some business related issues. According to the KTM D200 service manual, the grade of oil to be used when outside temperature is between 0 to 50 degree Celsius is 15W50. And when the outsize temperature is between -10 to 40 degrees it is 10W40. Most common temperature encountered in India is between 0 to 50 degree Celsius so the correct grade would be 15W50 IMHO.

And the service schedules as shown in the manual, posted it here before

As i have said before, this scan manual is NOT for india.I rest my arguement here, you may do as you wish, but please dont misguide others.

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**chinmayakar** · 08-27-2013, 12:05 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

@Cleaner, bro, the manual you are referring to is for EU conditions. Also, the quantity of Oil is different for EU and Indian Duke. Indian Duke also incorporates bigger cooling mechanism as compared to Euro spec.

You must have got the manual with your bike right? What does it say? Why dont you follow the manual that you got with your bike? If you still want to follow online manual, please go ahead.

Regarding service interval, on your speedo too you can check number of KM's left for next servicing.

**m@v** · 08-27-2013, 01:54 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

guys lately my running has gone down and one day when i tried starting the bike it refused. I got the battery charged and managed to reach service centre. The SE checked the battery health and reported the cells are dead and battery needs to be replaced.
Now the question is how much is the warranty on battery(my bike is 1.5 yrs old)?

SE told me its one year but still want to be assured of same.
Say if its 1 year then what are the other options apart from exide in same size and rating?

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