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  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

    Originally posted by Doga View Post
    So guys an update from my side, breaking the stranglehold of splus, shv18 and chinmayakar on this thread :

    As suggested by shv18, I tried system G. My 2nd tankful is over today, and I don't see any mentionable difference in engine performance. If anything I can still hear the engine knocking at low revs. No drop in engine running temperatures too, in fact last sunday I happened to ride to colaba and I saw the dreaded "high coolant temperature" warning 4-5 times. The fan still runs for ages after coming on, fighting a loosing battle with the rising temperature.I am sure I'd feel right at home atop a superbike, atleast my thighs will
    I happened to call the KTM engineer up and he told me that knocking may be due to less fuel being injected(this would cause a lean mixture) due to a faulty fuel pump, but this won't cause the engine running hot surely. He advised me to goto the svc and get the fuel pressure checked. The fuel pump did in fact pumped fuel with the recommended pressure of 2.7(don't ask me the units pls ) and that meant everything was fine as per them. Right now he thinks that a change of coolant would help, but I think coolant is not the problem. Though engine ice would help, but the underlying problem is not in the coolant system.
    Oh and btw did I mentioned that the mechanic while checking the pressure managed to rupture the petrol pipes which carry fuel from the fuel filter to the injector. Pathetic really. I had petrol gushing out and wetting the engine while riding, scary really.Had to get it fixed later at the ghatkopar svc. I have had a similar experience when I got my fork seal replaced last monsoon and the mech managed to get the front axle fitting wrong, resulting in it getting worn and damaged leading to a replacement(They didn't charge me for the replacement)
    A search on google would however tell you that a lean mixture would indeed result in increased detonation and hence increased temp.
    There are though a lot of other factors which might contribute to it other than lean air mixture, but all of them would present the symptom of engine knocking on lower revs.
    One of them being advanced/delayed spark introduction. This can be due to a faulty, damaged, snooty spark plug. And I now realize that I haven't had my spark plug changed since the purchase, courtesy the svc, which always insisted that "spark plug change karne ki jarurat nai hai sir, bohot din chalta hai".
    I have my 5th service coming up this weekend and will surely get my spark plug changed.
    In the midst of all this I realize that I have been raising this issue of overheating for quite some time now(close to 7-8 months, may be longer), only to be stonewalled by the callous attitude of the seawoods svc and their usual ridiculous argument that "all is well when the fan turns on" as if that fan is run by some divine power which will be able to cool even nuclear fusion level temperatures. Now if(or rather when?) this hot running bike has its piston rings/packing damaged, will this delay/refusal to accept/diagnose the problem on the svc's part be considered or will I have to foot the bill for a new engine/piston kit ?
    Very unsatisfied !!!
    That's really sad petrol dripping on the engine. Seawoods SVCs have soohed me away many a times telling "Aaaj bahut kam hai sir"
    And even if they take the bike, they will either increase the problem or leave it as it is. A day leave from office so brilliantly screwed up
    I'm running engine ice on my ktm and things are better now, but I shall get the spark plug changed as [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] mentioned could be the problem.
    And how about mentioning this problem to ktm via email, jus to keep them in the loop with the complaint status open from your end so that there is a written proof that you were facing the issue since a long time just in case something awful happens.
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    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

      Originally posted by Doga View Post
      psr ji, How do we check id spark plug is Champion or NGK ? And what do they mean? I'll google it anyway but thought you'd still know better.
      And pls explain the resistance part a bit better if you can please.

      Are you guys getting some kind of group discount on the coolant ? And may be discount in replacement charges from motozone? How are these guys btw? You sure they won't botch it ?
      Most modern engines have a resistor in spark plug or in plug cap or the Ignition cable itself will be resistive....the resistor value will be 3~5 Kilo Ohms...it is there to reduce the spark current thereby reducing Electro Magnetic Interference to ECU or other sensitive devices.
      Only one resistor is enough , but most of the times the manufacturer inadvertently uses more than one ,reducing the total ignition spark energy leading to weak spark and less efficient engines.....



      To check connect one end of multimeter in Ohms range to one end of plug/cap, and the other meter probe to the other end.....you should see 3~5 K Ohms...

      The make of the spark plug will be printed on the plug itself or will be mentioned in the user manual in engine and ignition column.

      The Pulsar P200NS used to come with Champion Plugs
      Last edited by psr; 09-06-2013, 03:04 PM.
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      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

        Originally posted by Doga View Post

        Hey that comment about breaking the stranglehold on this thread was made in jest. Hope it was not taken as a serious comment. A bit of raillery doesn't hurt after prolonged discussions on speed limits and ecu remaps eh ?
        Your comment was taken lightheartedly mate..

        You may try installing Engine Ice Coolant and Heat shielding exhaust wrap which should drastically reduce the heating of the engine and also frying the rider in the process. As @psr ji has suggested you may also shift to NGK spark plug with a cooler rating which will further reduce the core operating temperature of the engine. Rider abhimanyu31 has already given detailed experience of the the installation and ownership experience after that on the Ninja 300R thread. I feel spending a mere 1300 bucks on Engine Ice coolant and getting relief from the heat is money well spent...


        Cheers,
        A quote by a toilet, " use me well, keep me clean, i would never tell anybody whatever i have seen.." :P

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        • Re: KTM 200 Duke

          Guys after reading all this about spark plugs, I too want to change it to NGK iridium plug.
          Now from where can I get it? Should I take it to SCV to get it replaced? What will be part number for the ktm 200.
          Some one has provided with the part number here on the forum, but on NGK website it says "part not found".
          Guys please help me as I will be going to the SVC tomorrow.
          IF YOU RIDE LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW, THERE WON'T BE

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          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

            Guys,
            Just went to Mekhri Circle Svc Center and explained him(Manju svc mechanic) about the long run of the Radiator Fan. He installed the Diagnostic tool and checked the Temperatures, Fan started running exactly at 96 degrees and stopped at 89.25 degrees. He said everything is fine. Just after that I returned back to office and noticed that the Fan was running for more than 25mins :O. I got pissed off and with a big sad face, I turned the engine off ::banghead::, as I was getting late. My friend said, there might be some problem with the thermostat.
            Guys can anyone suggest me on this?
            KTM Lover,

            Zak

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            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

              Originally posted by Syed Zakir Ahamed View Post
              Guys,
              Just after that I returned back to office and noticed that the Fan was running for more than 25mins :O. I got pissed off and with a big sad face, I turned the engine off ::banghead::, as I was getting late.
              You keep the engine on/ idle till the fan switches off??? If yes, then fan wont turn off as you are generating more heat by idling the engine and there is no wind to cool the radiator. So fan does the job of wind
              Last edited by siddharthsure; 09-06-2013, 05:55 PM.
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              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                Originally posted by Syed Zakir Ahamed View Post
                Guys,
                Just went to Mekhri Circle Svc Center and explained him(Manju svc mechanic) about the long run of the Radiator Fan. He installed the Diagnostic tool and checked the Temperatures, Fan started running exactly at 96 degrees and stopped at 89.25 degrees. He said everything is fine. Just after that I returned back to office and noticed that the Fan was running for more than 25mins :O. I got pissed off and with a big sad face, I turned the engine off ::banghead::, as I was getting late. My friend said, there might be some problem with the thermostat.
                Guys can anyone suggest me on this?
                Yeah, you better go to SC again and tell him this. It's definitely not normal. Something isn't right there with the cooling system.
                I think I have a similar problem, but not to that extent that the fan runs for 25 min.
                But, as I mentioned, my fan got activated at a highway ride at 100-120 kmh, which means the engine isn't being properly cooled.
                I wonder what it could be...

                Edit: Guys, I don't know how it works, but can radiator get faulty, or somehow get damaged or dirty inside, and work with less capacity than before?

                Originally posted by siddharthsure View Post
                You keep the engine on/ idle till the fan switches off??? If yes, then fan wont turn off as you are generating more heat by idling the engine and there is no wind to cool the radiator. So fan does the job of wind
                Nope. The fan cools it faster than the engine warms it up.
                Normally, in Duke's case, the fan should bring the temp down within 2-3 min.

                Turning the fan bike off while the fan is working (especially just after a hot ride, when the engine is very hot) isn't good for the engine.
                The coolant might also easily spill over in that case.
                Last edited by splus; 09-06-2013, 07:00 PM.

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                • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                  Originally posted by siddharthsure View Post
                  You keep the engine on/ idle till the fan switches off??? If yes, then fan wont turn off as you are generating more heat by idling the engine and there is no wind to cool the radiator. So fan does the job of wind
                  Dude,
                  It is not the first time I did this. BTW it is recommended to Idle your bike till the radiator fan turns off(which happens automatically). I already explained that, it has been diagnosed with the tool(In idle state only).
                  Any good input is appreciable.

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                  Originally posted by splus View Post
                  Yeah, you better go to SC again and tell him this. It's definitely not normal. Something isn't right there with the cooling system.
                  I think I have a similar problem, but not to that extent that the fan runs for 25 min.
                  But, as I mentioned, my fan got activated at a highway ride at 100-120 kmh, which means the engine isn't being properly cooled.
                  I wonder what it could be...

                  Edit: Guys, I don't know how it works, but can radiator get faulty, or somehow get damaged or dirty inside, and work with less capacity than before?



                  Nope. The fan cools it faster than the engine warms it up.
                  Normally, in Duke's case, the fan should bring the temp down within 2-3 min.

                  Turning the fan bike off while the fan is working (especially just after a hot ride, when the engine is very hot) isn't good for the engine.
                  The coolant might also easily spill over in that case.
                  That's what I am worried about. Tomorrow let me just clean the Radiator carefully(along with the Bike wash) and check it again. If the problem still persists, then definitely going for the SC.
                  I wish nothing went wrong.
                  KTM Lover,

                  Zak

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                  • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                    Originally posted by Syed Zakir Ahamed View Post
                    That's what I am worried about. Tomorrow let me just clean the Radiator carefully(along with the Bike wash) and check it again. If the problem still persists, then definitely going for the SC.
                    I wish nothing went wrong.
                    Well, I already gave it a good wash and cleaned the radiator, but nothing changed.
                    In fact, after I got the bike from SC all cleaned up 2 weeks ago I noticed it was heating up even more.
                    I wonder what could they have changed?
                    Maybe they topped up the coolant, but that wouldn't make it worse.
                    It's really strange...

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                    • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                      Originally posted by splus View Post
                      Yeah, you better go to SC again and tell him this. It's definitely not normal. Something isn't right there with the cooling system.
                      I think I have a similar problem, but not to that extent that the fan runs for 25 min.
                      But, as I mentioned, my fan got activated at a highway ride at 100-120 kmh, which means the engine isn't being properly cooled.
                      I wonder what it could be...

                      Edit: Guys, I don't know how it works, but can radiator get faulty, or somehow get damaged or dirty inside, and work with less capacity than before?



                      Nope. The fan cools it faster than the engine warms it up.
                      Normally, in Duke's case, the fan should bring the temp down within 2-3 min.

                      Turning the fan bike off while the fan is working (especially just after a hot ride, when the engine is very hot) isn't good for the engine.
                      The coolant might also easily spill over in that case.
                      I don't think radiator would fail this early because they are build to last until the fins are bent or there is a leak in the radiator.
                      What I'm thinking is the radiator fan should turn on and bring the temp. down within 2-3 mins max and then cut off.
                      But it's not working that way, what if the fan's RPMs are increased ?
                      And I'm also worried about fan's life, if it keeps spinning away to glory like this It will be needing a replacement very soon.
                      Last edited by Big bore; 09-06-2013, 07:23 PM.
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                      • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                        Originally posted by Syed Zakir Ahamed View Post
                        Dude,
                        It is not the first time I did this. BTW it is recommended to Idle your bike till the radiator fan turns off(which happens automatically). I already explained that, it has been diagnosed with the tool(In idle state only).
                        Any good input is appreciable.

                        ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----


                        That's what I am worried about. Tomorrow let me just clean the Radiator carefully(along with the Bike wash) and check it again. If the problem still persists, then definitely going for the SC.
                        I wish nothing went wrong.
                        It is definitely recommended to idle the bike after a hard run. This is done so that fan would kick in and bring down the temperature and then one can turn off the engine , but it just doesn't happen, the fan doesn't stop and bike eats away the petrol.
                        IF YOU RIDE LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW, THERE WON'T BE

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                        • Re: KTM 200 Duke


                          Edit: Guys, I don't know how it works, but can radiator get faulty, or somehow get damaged or dirty inside, and work with less capacity than before
                          It wont, unless pipes rupture or fins bend beyond certain extent that cooking is compromised.what must've happened is the coolant has served its purpose, extreme hot n cold cycles in quick durations might have worn out its properties, and must be as good as/similar to water now.Flush it properly, and change the coolant.shoukd serve you well.


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                          • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                            I have only an LC Car..a Mitsubishi Lancer.. It's Radiator capacity is 3+ liters...When I stuck to the 50 % coolant 50 % distilled water ratio,(as recommended) the radiator fan used to run for 130~160 seconds ,(when hot)....later after going through many forums, and reading up, I changed the ratio to 25 % coolant and 75 % water....now the fan runs for 60~90 seconds..In tropical climate it is advisable to keep the coolant level less than 30%,since it is the water that actually cools.,ie., transfers heat from engine to radiator....I also clean the radiator with water and air whenever it gets dirty....
                            So those with longer running of the fan please check the coolant level...I had also observed in many service centers that the people working on the vehicle, routinely top up the coolant level ,in the reserve jar, with coolant...so over a period of time there is possibility of the engine coolant becoming more in ratio with less water.....To rule out this possibility, get the whole Radiator drained and refill....this should give an indication if the radiator had , less water,and more coolant....

                            What is the coolant color ? is the SVC using pre-mixed coolant ? or is the coolant and water added separately into the Radiator ?
                            Last edited by psr; 09-06-2013, 07:45 PM.
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                            • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                              Originally posted by psr View Post
                              I have only an LC Car..a Mitsubishi Lancer.. It's Radiator capacity is 3+ liters...When I stuck to the 50 % coolant 50 % distilled water ratio,(as recommended) the radiator fan used to run for 130~160 seconds ,(when hot)....later after going through many forums, and reading up, I changed the ratio to 25 % coolant and 75 % water....now the fan runs for 60~90 seconds..In tropical climate it is advisable to keep the coolant level less than 30%,since it is the water that actually cools.,ie., transfers heat from engine to radiator....I also clean the radiator with water and air whenever it gets dirty....
                              So those with longer running of the fan please check the coolant level...I had also observed in many service centers that the people working on the vehicle, routinely top up the coolant level ,in the reserve jar, with coolant...so over a period of time there is possibility of the engine coolant becoming more in ratio with less water.....To rule out this possibility, get the whole Radiator drained and refill....this should give an indication if the radiator had , less water,and more coolant....

                              What is the coolant color ? is the SVC using pre-mixed coolant ? or is the coolant and water added separately into the Radiator ?
                              It's a premixed coolant and the color is light green. [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] bro the coolant level in the reservoir is almost at max when engine is cold, should I lower the level and see??
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                              • Re: KTM 200 Duke

                                Originally posted by Big bore View Post
                                It's a premixed coolant and the color is light green. @psr bro the coolant level in the reservoir is almost at max when engine is cold, should I lower the level and see??
                                Not necessary to lower coolant level...if it is pre-mixed for tropical climate then it will be 30 % coolant and 70 % De-ionized water...
                                here is a useful link on coolants....

                                Universal Coolant: The Ultimate Antifreeze?
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