That was a good, informative post. What are the specs of the LED projector and bulb set up? I am using Osram Night Breaker for the past 3 years. Quite good. But now that I am doing nights, the commute to and from office are quite difficult, the Night Breaker is quite not enough. I contacted Philips about their line of Cityvision Moto bulbs specially for motorcycles. But they discontinued the entire line-up. They suggested X-tremeVision Plus as an alternative. I am not so keen on installing a bulb of higher wattage.

I have also noticed a dip in the engine rpm when I switch on the light when the engine is idling. Is that normal?

An off topic, please take a look at this. Hope you guys are aware of the recent bglore drag racing accident which killed all four. Poor fellows, no helmet and no gears, but riding with a lac plus bike, can't afford to buy a 2k helmet?. How idiotic?...Riding jacket is a secondary but helmet is the most important. If you are emotional, don't watch.


ABS is only for emergency and doesn't mean that it will help us every time. Please guys,
Drive safe.

Yes bro.
Not just being with proper gear gives you right to race on public roads.[emoji52]
R.I.P all 4 fellow riders.

Hey NeVi77e,

I had upgraded to osram night breaker 60/55 and I was impressed for a few days , but as I used to ride at night+rain showed it's blessings I was totally dissatisfied and similarly like you I was doubtful should I upgrade to 90/100 or no.
I had a thorough discussion wid @krixna on whatsapp for all the pros and cons.
As he was using the same setup without any alterations (no relay ,no wire MOD but direct p&p) for few months.
I then successfully changed mine also to Philips rally and I must say it's like day even at night.
I mostly use the low beam and nly use high when someone across comes in high.


It's been 4 months and use it mostly for 1.5hrs a day and it has caused no stress to battery or any other fairing and or reflector.
**I hav no other electronic mods installed**

Later krixna had upgraded his system with the roots relay and he had suggested me also to do so as the output gets more intense and gives better response.

I had seen the Philips h4 100/90 relay (750rs locally)
It came along with the required gauge wire and ceramic holder. Just plug it to the switches and battery and you are done.but due to lack of time and seeing good response with existing setup I felt it is not required atm.

Mind you if u ride below 3.5k rpm the voltage at the battery terminals drop when using the bulb, hence suggest you to ride above the rpm range when using the rally.

You could check out the voltage you get when using in combo to ur existing horn relay.

The upgrade is totally worth it.
I Do not suggest upgrading to osram night breaker or Philips extreme vision as its marginally any better than existing.
I will put up few clicks when I get time.

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@NeVi77e For 90/100w scenarios, I hope you need to understand why need a relay(If you are aware, kindly forgive me but let this be helpful for others ). Relay is a mechanical device that relieves the switch from handling high current input to output section. To handle high currents, the switch (bike's pass switch/headlight turn on switch) should be built for that and most of the cases, it will be bulk and will make it a tough fit for switch gears. Then comes the big toll, the extra wiring will increase resistance and hence the power reaching to headlamps will be less always. Also lengthier wire = more resistance = heat generated = wire burns = chances of fire etc. A 100W bulb might eat up to 8-10A of current when compared to 60W which takes ~5A of current. Does the switch handle this double the amount of current flow?. Now to tackle this, they will use a relay to handle the high current switching, and let the switch operate at safe current levels, there by saving the costlier switch gears and other peripherals that connect. Now coming to the 100w bulb, no matter if the relay is added, still the load is a load and you can't relieve battery from that by this. A good relay + wiring setup will help conduct the high current better thereby reducing fire or burns on long run plus you get better output. Without relay, you'd have to pray always that nothing will get burnt and with relay you can relieve from that and your switches will also be fine. A small calc can help understand better.

NS battery = 12V x 8Ah = 96WAh. So you have a only ~ 90WAh battery power, but you have 100W bulb to burn?. Ideally at this rating, this capacity should or can drive you 100w headlamp for about ~40 mins(considering in engine off), now considering the wire resistance and efficiency, there can be +/-10-20% correction. Taking worst case, if you let the light lit for 30 minutes (say for example), you will drain the battery completely. But you also have other items that need power right?, not to mention the console + backlight, indicators, etc.. So Practically if you burn the 100w headlight with engine off, it will drain the entire battery in some minutes. With idle, it will drain in just a matter of few minutes, because during idling, the charging current will be very feeble from the alternator as the RPM output is also so less

Now ask again, can I fit 100w bulb with relay and is it required?. YES if you think your switches are important and you don't want any burns or fuses blowing. NO if you think you can handle that . Now is it good?, NO if you think you want to preserve battery for a longer run, lit for long time, etc. YES maybe if you use proper wiring and setups with other lights changing to LEDs, etc.

Another best advice or option is (In case if you don't hate the white light) to get a HID with 3000 and above lumens, and make your battery and electrical setup safer. HIDs are any day more powerful in throw and range compared to Halogen but still eats less power than Halogen. Only problem is to identify and get a proper color temperature bulb.

Thanks Guys! That clears most of my doubts

Atleast I know.. ExtremeVision or NightBreaker isn't the way to go ahead...

First thing I'll do is get a 90/100W and test it along with the horn while reving the bike above 3.5k rpm.. lets see the voltages on that.. Any idea wat should the ideal voltage range be like??

If it holds up.. I'll get the Philips relay and make that a permanent fix

don't think I'll get HIDs.. not a big fan of white light..

An off topic, please take a look at this. Hope you guys are aware of the recent bglore drag racing accident which killed all four. Poor fellows, no helmet and no gears, but riding with a lac plus bike, can't afford to buy a 2k helmet?. How idiotic?...Riding jacket is a secondary but helmet is the most important. If you are emotional, don't watch.


ABS is only for emergency and doesn't mean that it will help us every time. Please guys,
Drive safe.

Mine is 8/18w led projector. The differences won't be much between night vision and extreme. A 90/100w can help you a lot. But have to be very careful. If need more lumens, try HID from good make. Don't buy cheap Chinese makes...

For the fluctuation, yes your battery couldn't load the lamp. Either the battery is faulty or your bulb setup eats so much power. In idle the supply voltage isnt enough. In HID setup they use ballast hence you wont feel a damn.

My recommendation is HID with lumens above 3000+ . mine is only 2200.

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An off topic, please take a look at this. Hope you guys are aware of the recent bglore drag racing accident which killed all four. Poor fellows, no helmet and no gears, but riding with a lac plus bike, can't afford to buy a 2k helmet?. How idiotic?...Riding jacket is a secondary but helmet is the most important. If you are emotional, don't watch.


ABS is only for emergency and doesn't mean that it will help us every time. Please guys,
Drive safe.

This was reported in mumbai i guess ..a frnd told me about this in month of may . ..
But on the contrary cant feel sorry for them .. People like this have such kind of incident coming .. And no matter what the this group of people ( bestow them self with title of riders ) wont give up their stupidity and keep earning us the bad name ..


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this is not in Bangalore.. neither is this in mumbai.
this happened in malaysia.

i am receiving this video on whatsapp groups since last month.. all of them reporting different places.
some say delhi, some say Bangalore, some say mumbai..

please do not immediately start believing in what you see on social media these days..
some ppl just like to provide bad reputation to indian bikers by spreading such news..

anyways it looks horrible accident, but reportedly no one died..
stay away from street race.
ride safe guys 👍


source: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/c...es-after-crash

@jbm_guy Can you also tell the make of the LED, projector, the price and from where you purchased it?

Shoked to see that dreadful accident. RIP those poor souls.
Drive safe guys.
Anyway i was around a shop, he told me there are available angel eye hid projectors with yellow light output but didn't see anywhere.
Has someone seen it??

Amazon.com: Amazinea 12V 18W LED Projector Kit Hi/Low Beam RED Angel Eye + BLUE Devil Eye Headlight For Motorcycle---Xenon White: Automotive

This is the one. Unfortunately i bought it in local shop. But this is the one.

Cost : 2400 (including fitting cost)

I'd advice you to get it in local shop. They will easily charge anywhere from 250-400/- for fitment