Quality of new unicorn is also the same so think again.

Seeing a lot of quality gurus around lately.
And [MENTION=19941]hellmet[/MENTION], on your blog you talk about the fz1 and a 150cc bike in the same sentence. I guess you are mentioning the FZ16.
Ppl are downright ready to bash the entire brand for one 'bad' experience. (talking about the product, not about the customer service which is non existent in India, be it any brand of vehicle) -- If that is the case to judge a brand, then name a brand and i will show you a VERY BAD review for it !
And hellmet my friend, you should have taken a test ride before you buy a bike --maybe that would have alerted you about the 'bad' suspension you are complaining about.
Next, i wonder why ppl these days are hell bent on having an engine kill switch !! Is it a rocket or a space ship that it is so complicated to shut it down and start back ?

Rear view mirrors ? I have ridden a trigger and if the mirrors are adjusted correctly they do the job well.. same with a unicorn. Now do you know the pulsar 220 is notorious for its disfunctional mirrors ? But guys have happily done a mod of welding on apaches' mirrors..and the 220 is a well received bike though it has/had some quality issues.
Cheap looking brake pedals ? Why don't you at least google some pics of rear brake pedals on some of the bikes sold worldwide and see how they look. We are very apt at pointing out 'cheap' 'looking' without complete knowledge about an item.
Engine harshness, i never really felt that, only maybe it because the carb was tuned on the leaner side.. same with the unicorns since the past couple of years.. due to our desi obsession with kitna deti hai

Paint - you should have pushed for warranty.. and did you know some hero bikes exhibit a bluish tinge when they get wet in the rain ? And that's for some reason supposed to be normal !

I do ride a unicorn often and if maintained correctly, it is as reliable as the 'older' unicorn. Yes, the headlight sucks though (as much as it does on the karizma and a few other bikes too). A lot of other people (not referring to you hellmet), are negligent on maintenance and one fine day suddenly wake up when the bike gives trouble.

Let us take this forum as an example: how many ppl do you see posting issues about the unicorn/trigger compared to lets say a CBZ xtreme ? , Ppl start searching for solutions online and end up posting requests for help here and we see less traffic on issues related to honda, when you compare it with a bajaj(which is bashed left n right by our quality gurus) or a hero.

Guys understand, at the end of the day it is a machine, and might have a couple of niggles.. its up to the individual on how he wants to handle it. There is no dearth of people who go on and put their stamp of 'quality' which i feel is in no way superior to the manufacturers' QC.
[MENTION=35824]anishkrissh[/MENTION] -- if you mean that the bike feels hesitant or hiccuping while acceleration, then first get the air filter cleaned or replaced and then have the carb inspected. And what do you mean by 'power of cb trigger has been updated' ? where did you get this info ? If it was indeed updated, dont expect it to take off like a jet

Hello Both New Trigger Owners,

I have also purchased Trigger on 1st April and have gone through lot of EXPERIENCES of Honda after sales team. (Refer to my previous posts)
Thankfully, it all ended on a good note and I got all my problem fixed but after a long battle.
I would advice you both to drop a mail at [email protected] and they will surely follow up.
It took me around 2 months and about 15-16 mails to get these problems fixed altogether but afterall ' ant bhala to sab bhala'
Remember, if they are harassing you then you have equal right to harass them the official way.
Have faith and patience and fight for money you paid for getting your ride. Legally Honda has to answer to your queries submitted at their official mail ID.

Let me know if you need any help and I will guide you about how to become their headache.

(Quality gyrus a lil harsh of u ehh?)
Wooshh you vented real good
Id rather not speak about it...to each his own.... one question.... the chrome on todays unicorn is as good as the chrome on a uni say 7 yrs old?

Ps:-
Bluish tinge on blacks and deeper colors is due to the clear coating.... unfortunately water based clear coats have this effect of a bluish tinge. Check out deep black suzukis and vws.... youl spot the difference on the clear coat under direct sun and over a larger surface....of a cars panels.... one of them is water based whereas one isint

Seeing a lot of quality gurus around lately.

Ppl are downright ready to bash the entire brand for one 'bad' experience. (talking about the product, not about the customer service which is non existent in India, be it any brand of vehicle) -- If that is the case to judge a brand, then name a brand and i will show you a VERY BAD review for it !

Guys understand, at the end of the day it is a machine, and might have a couple of niggles.. its up to the individual on how he wants to handle it. There is no dearth of people who go on and put their stamp of 'quality' which i feel is in no way superior to the manufacturers' QC.
[MENTION=35824]anishkrissh[/MENTION] -- if you mean that the bike feels hesitant or hiccuping while acceleration, then first get the air filter cleaned or replaced and then have the carb inspected. And what do you mean by 'power of cb trigger has been updated' ? where did you get this info ? If it was indeed updated, dont expect it to take off like a jet

(Quality gyrus a lil harsh of u ehh?)
Wooshh you vented real good
Id rather not speak about it...to each his own....about the quality going down with honda. its true. You know it. We know it everyone knows it.... one question.... the chrome on todays unicorn is as good as the chrome on a uni say 7 yrs old? some parts are better(electricals etc) more reliable and efficient where as in some places corners have been cut..... every brand does it... you cant add more features ,cheapen the price and make it better quality at once.... happens....take cell phones.....cars.. bikes anything. . anyways high quality products are still there... check out the honda aviator chrome bits... check out the apache or jupiter hand grips... check out the precise gear shifts in a honda. to say everything is bad is wrong....to say everything is better is wrong too...some places quality is better some places its gone down....
I hope you dont find me siding with any brand
Ps:-
Bluish tinge on blacks and deeper colors is due to the clear coating.... unfortunately water based clear coats have this effect of a bluish tinge. Check out deep black suzukis and vws.... youl spot the difference on the clear coat under direct sun and over a larger surface....of a cars panels.... one of them is water based whereas one isint



Divyansh....

Hey bro,
The "quality gurus" bit was a little harsh man. I mean when someone such as me or yourself gets on this forum and sees this many unheard off complaints about a brand we have known to be a little too reliable to be true, you can't expect us to not be surprised.
And quality I feel is relative to time period. I mean having been born in the 80s my biggest complaint was new bikes are not as strong as old ones and have lighter parts and plastic. Well ofcourse they do it was public demand for lighter faster bikes with more mileage that caused this. As far as bad reviews are concerned every bike recieves them. Its a matter of taste. But I have never seen Honda products recieving such bad ownership reviews as on this thread I mean my 7 year old unicorn still runs like new post 120k kms and abuse so imagine my surprise at this.

harsh or not.. that's a fact. complaints will always be there, and i will not mince words when i say this.
Kids these days i tell you.. They want stuff to be bling and run forever and at the cheapest price.. they'd rather change their bike every cpl of years than keep it longer like what our dad's did. At the end of the day that's how manufacturer's are going to deliver.
I still don't understand what you mean by stronger ? Until the late 90's most of the bikes were two strokers.. simple technology.. that were easier to fix up. And since the influx and domination of 4 strokers.. its mostly been the after sales SERVICE that has to blame in most cases. Or shall i say lack of consumer awareness and inadequate training of mechanics.

btw.. i've myself screwed honda a few times in the past. you are right about their machines and service comparison.

Seeing a lot of quality gurus around lately.
And @hellmet, on your blog you talk about the fz1 and a 150cc bike in the same sentence. I guess you are mentioning the FZ16.
Ppl are downright ready to bash the entire brand for one 'bad' experience. (talking about the product, not about the customer service which is non existent in India, be it any brand of vehicle) -- If that is the case to judge a brand, then name a brand and i will show you a VERY BAD review for it !
And hellmet my friend, you should have taken a test ride before you buy a bike --maybe that would have alerted you about the 'bad' suspension you are complaining about.

Next, i wonder why ppl these days are hell bent on having an engine kill switch !! Is it a rocket or a space ship that it is so complicated to shut it down and start back ?

Rear view mirrors ? I have ridden a trigger and if the mirrors are adjusted correctly they do the job well..

Cheap looking brake pedals ? Why don't you at least google some pics of rear brake pedals on some of the bikes sold worldwide and see how they look. We are very apt at pointing out 'cheap' 'looking' without complete knowledge about an item.

Guys understand, at the end of the day it is a machine, and might have a couple of niggles.. its up to the individual on how he wants to handle it. There is no dearth of people who go on and put their stamp of 'quality' which i feel is in no way superior to the manufacturers' QC.

Where is the chrome on today's unicorn its all powder coated black. only 'chrome' bit i guess is the shiny bit on the front dome.

Regarding the bluish tinge.. i am eager to learn why that's caused because i haven't found a solid explanation backed by some proof. What my understanding about painting is, the prep is more important and considering the oem quality..i do not see why this happens.. and why not with other brands ? Ive had some vehicles repainted and clear coated but never saw such a phenomena.

Hey bro,
The "quality gurus" bit was a little harsh man. I mean when someone such as me or yourself gets on this forum and sees this many unheard off complaints about a brand we have known to be a little too reliable to be true, you can't expect us to not be surprised.
And quality I feel is relative to time period. I mean having been born in the 80s my biggest complaint was new bikes are not as strong as old ones and have lighter parts and plastic. Well ofcourse they do it was public demand for lighter faster bikes with more mileage that caused this. As far as bad reviews are concerned every bike recieves them. Its a matter of taste. But I have never seen Honda products recieving such bad ownership reviews as on this thread I mean my 7 year old unicorn still runs like new post 120k kms and abuse so imagine my surprise at this.

Also did u mean upgrade of power or downgrade? coz upgraded power means it'll be punchier than its predicesors not slower off the line.

harsh or not.. that's a fact. complaints will always be there, and i will not mince words when i say this.
Kids these days i tell you.. They want stuff to be bling and run forever and at the cheapest price.. they'd rather change their bike every cpl of years than keep it longer like what our dad's did. At the end of the day that's how manufacturer's are going to deliver.
I still don't understand what you mean by stronger ? Until the late 90's most of the bikes were two strokers.. simple technology.. that were easier to fix up. And since the influx and domination of 4 strokers.. its mostly been the after sales SERVICE that has to blame in most cases. Or shall i say lack of consumer awareness and inadequate training of mechanics.

btw.. i've myself screwed honda a few times in the past. you are right about their machines and service comparison.

Exactly my point. Kudos brother. And keep that uni safe... itll be a classic in a few years... im savibg up my old model pulsar! chrome hasnt rusted...and I never give it any special treatment! Uni rims(spoke) and fiero rims never rust... exceptional quality chrome....my cbz old model spoke rim(replaced cause of damage) has rusted through!

Ahh not only 2 strokes even though out of love and sheer respect its often the infamous rx etc that are called out something like calling out sunny deol and dara singh whike talking about manliness and desi strength.. awww welk you get the point...


Have you seen an old splendour? Pre y2k model...or say a bajaj boxer? or a ct100 or a bajaj wind 125? A tvs victor? Bullet proof reliable bikes(yes I did mention 3 bajaj bikes! ) and all of them are 4 strokes...

Now... to just give you an idea... pick up an old unicorn tank... and pick up the tank of a new unicorn for that matter....hmmm... lesser weight and thinner sheetmetal...same with pulsar tanks...(my single spark plug pulsar old model has clocked over 1 lakh kms on the stock sealed engine!) compare the weight of a tank of a new enfield and an old one... newer ones...paint feels better...less prone to rust.......flimsy too...and easily dentable...

Agreed that people just dont use the bikes or any vehicles as long as they used too...the manufacturers are taking advantage... todays products just dont age as well as old products did...that is the ultimate conclusion despite the advancement in technology and manufacturing processes etc.

Divyansh....


Time to go buy an old bike and old car...."they might look old... but will be burning gas and hauling ass longer than anything new!"

Seeing a lot of quality gurus around lately.
And @hellmet, on your blog you talk about the fz1 and a 150cc bike in the same sentence. I guess you are mentioning the FZ16.
Ppl are downright ready to bash the entire brand for one 'bad' experience. (talking about the product, not about the customer service which is non existent in India, be it any brand of vehicle) -- If that is the case to judge a brand, then name a brand and i will show you a VERY BAD review for it !
And hellmet my friend, you should have taken a test ride before you buy a bike --maybe that would have alerted you about the 'bad' suspension you are complaining about.
Next, i wonder why ppl these days are hell bent on having an engine kill switch !! Is it a rocket or a space ship that it is so complicated to shut it down and start back ?

Rear view mirrors ? I have ridden a trigger and if the mirrors are adjusted correctly they do the job well.. same with a unicorn. Now do you know the pulsar 220 is notorious for its disfunctional mirrors ? But guys have happily done a mod of welding on apaches' mirrors..and the 220 is a well received bike though it has/had some quality issues.
Cheap looking brake pedals ? Why don't you at least google some pics of rear brake pedals on some of the bikes sold worldwide and see how they look. We are very apt at pointing out 'cheap' 'looking' without complete knowledge about an item.
Engine harshness, i never really felt that, only maybe it because the carb was tuned on the leaner side.. same with the unicorns since the past couple of years.. due to our desi obsession with kitna deti hai

Paint - you should have pushed for warranty.. and did you know some hero bikes exhibit a bluish tinge when they get wet in the rain ? And that's for some reason supposed to be normal !

I do ride a unicorn often and if maintained correctly, it is as reliable as the 'older' unicorn. Yes, the headlight sucks though (as much as it does on the karizma and a few other bikes too). A lot of other people (not referring to you hellmet), are negligent on maintenance and one fine day suddenly wake up when the bike gives trouble.

Let us take this forum as an example: how many ppl do you see posting issues about the unicorn/trigger compared to lets say a CBZ xtreme ? , Ppl start searching for solutions online and end up posting requests for help here and we see less traffic on issues related to honda, when you compare it with a bajaj(which is bashed left n right by our quality gurus) or a hero.

Guys understand, at the end of the day it is a machine, and might have a couple of niggles.. its up to the individual on how he wants to handle it. There is no dearth of people who go on and put their stamp of 'quality' which i feel is in no way superior to the manufacturers' QC.
@anishkrissh -- if you mean that the bike feels hesitant or hiccuping while acceleration, then first get the air filter cleaned or replaced and then have the carb inspected. And what do you mean by 'power of cb trigger has been updated' ? where did you get this info ? If it was indeed updated, dont expect it to take off like a jet

Seriously, you sound like a Honda paid shill. Do you even OWN a Trigger? If not, you're not really qualified to speak about other people's real experiences.

just go through the honda's official website the power of the bike has been updated by 0.5bhp

Have you seen an old splendour? Pre y2k model...or say a bajaj boxer? or a ct100 or a bajaj wind 125? A tvs victor? Bullet proof reliable bikes(yes I did mention 3 bajaj bikes! ) and all of them are 4 strokes...

Yes sir, old splendor, boxer, ct100, bajaj 4s champion were all reliable bikes.. (i remember squeezing out 80kmpl on a 4s champion when i was in class 11) and most 100cc bikes are still reliable, only the thing that rides them is not!

Now... to just give you an idea... pick up an old unicorn tank... and pick up the tank of a new unicorn for that matter....hmmm... lesser weight and thinner sheetmetal...same with pulsar tanks...(my single spark plug pulsar old model has clocked over 1 lakh kms on the stock sealed engine!) compare the weight of a tank of a new enfield and an old one... newer ones...paint feels better...less prone to rust.......flimsy too...and easily dentable...

i dont care if it feels lighter or is lighter etc.. as long as it doesn't cause issues or give troubles.

the manufacturers are taking advantage... todays products just dont age as well as old products did...that is the ultimate conclusion despite the advancement in technology and manufacturing processes etc.

that comment is not always true.. people have just been using that term for ages.. i still think its a myth to a great extent.
I think i will say they dont make riders like they used too.
like i said todays consumer (at least most) wants a change every cpl of years .. and manufacturers are here to do business so they will do what they are doing. Like the other guy complained of not having an engine kill switch.. did the good ol bikes have them ? We just complain man.. and with the access to social media..we just tend to go ballistic. If you feel you have an issue you should address it to the manufacturer and take them to task.

Time to go buy an old bike and old car...."they might look old... but will be burning gas and hauling ass longer than anything new!"

just go through the honda's official website the power of the bike has been updated by 0.5bhp, and brother i never expect it as a rocket but i respect the vehicle which i ride so I pinpoint the mistakes so that anyone who is taking the same bike can aware of these things... If I always talk the good things only why we need this thread, it will be like a self praisal. Ijust don't like that......