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**Naveen1985** · 07-02-2014, 11:29 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by dineshaugustin View Post

i think it is bit more of CBR sitting posture. the handle bar is bit elevated and the raised tank would definitely help in long drive. just a thought.

I think you hav'nt test ride it....

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**rreneav1987** · 07-02-2014, 11:43 AM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by sanjanikar View Post

@ Prateekjayant and rreneav1987

Why a twin results in more vibration? I always believed that a twin cylinder engine inherently results in lesser vibration than a single cylinder. Latter vibration dampening is another factor.

I was also interested in HX250R because of more power/Hero name and ABS but I am afraid that it wont be much comfortable for touring purpose. Time will tell.

Good thing about Karizma is surely time tested performance and so many people raving about its touring capability. I am still outside India and will return by September end and that is when I will actually need the bike.

Best suggestion would be test ride.. I heard the Inazuma is simply too smooth and I am wondering where did the term vibrations come from when it comes to the Inazuma.. [MENTION=48128]sanjai[/MENTION]kar, contact [MENTION=38603]The Monk[/MENTION] via Personal Message, he will be able to guide you better as he has been riding the Inazuma for almost a month for touring India along with the other mods of xbhp

**shivakrish** · 07-02-2014, 12:47 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

For a second, I read it as 2.5 Lac..

My bike runs for approx 150 kms after the fuel gauge starts blinking.. it could have run more, but I didn't want to take risk on the highways

i took this much risk only because I had friends riding along with me

If you want to know how much fuel is left in the tank and how far it can ride til the tank gets empty, keep riding the bike after the fuel gauge starts blinking.. and carry a bottle of fuel with you

P.S Don't try this at home

haha well [MENTION=64238]Prateekjayant[/MENTION] you could follow wat reneav bhai said

Originally posted by sanjanikar View Post

@Prateekjayant

Thank you for the reply. I am actually torn between new ZMR or Inazuma. Both dont have ABS so thats a big negative for me but still how do they compare for comfort and ride quality? Is really Inazuma is in different league for comfort and as a "long distance cruiser"? Is that comfort is worth to pay for a 1 lakh extra? I guess i need to wait for a little more to get definite long term impressions.

I do understand the price difference and am comparing a faired bike to a naked one but still...... if I am paying money for a long distance comfort machine which is not a cruiser then these two come as viable options. NO CBR/Ninja/Duke talk please to confuse more.

Originally posted by sanjanikar View Post

@ Prateekjayant and rreneav1987

Why a twin results in more vibration? I always believed that a twin cylinder engine inherently results in lesser vibration than a single cylinder. Latter vibration dampening is another factor.

I was also interested in HX250R because of more power/Hero name and ABS but I am afraid that it wont be much comfortable for touring purpose. Time will tell.

Good thing about Karizma is surely time tested performance and so many people raving about its touring capability. I am still outside India and will return by September end and that is when I will actually need the bike.

I will try to clarify in simple words mate.. though Inazuma is a Twin cylinder, it Churns out just around 24bhp with a massive 25Kgs more than ZMR but has a very Smooth and Potent Engine as praised by many enthusiasts and At the same time the maximum Comfortable Cruising speed does not exceed more than 120Kmph in the Inazuma While you could cruise in 100-110 Kmph in Zmr itself, then whats the Point of Spending a mammoth 1 Lakh extra and add to this Easy and Vast amount of Service Centers & cheaper maintenance Costs of HERO when compared to SUZUKI.. So the obvious Choice

P.S This may not be the exact Way of Comparison since you will find better Bikes than ZMR in the Present Market, but told this since [MENTION=67143]sanjanikar[/MENTION] wants to choose between ZMR & Inazuma

**Naveen1985** · 07-02-2014, 12:57 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

I think hero should introduce a naked version of ZMR with same 223cc fuel injected engine...

**dineshaugustin** · 07-02-2014, 01:06 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by sanjanikar View Post

@ Prateekjayant and rreneav1987

Why a twin results in more vibration? I always believed that a twin cylinder engine inherently results in lesser vibration than a single cylinder. Latter vibration dampening is another factor.

I was also interested in HX250R because of more power/Hero name and ABS but I am afraid that it wont be much comfortable for touring purpose. Time will tell.

Good thing about Karizma is surely time tested performance and so many people raving about its touring capability. I am still outside India and will return by September end and that is when I will actually need the bike.

by the time you will have some updates about HX250R launch. comfort wise HX could be a better option too, iam saying this by looking into the handle bar position and the foot pegs though need to wait till the launch. and one more thing is the chassis (geodesic concept) which is superior and the innovative horizontal suspension (Buell's unique design which innovated as mounting below the engine ) will definitely help in superior handling along with the Buell's Patented 'Uniplanar' engine mounting system.

**rreneav1987** · 07-02-2014, 01:15 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by shivakrish View Post

haha well @Prateekjayant you could follow wat reneav bhai said

I will try to clarify in simple words mate.. though Inazuma is a Twin cylinder, it Churns out just around 24bhp with a massive 25Kgs more than ZMR but has a very Smooth and Potent Engine as praised by many enthusiasts and At the same time the maximum Comfortable Cruising speed does not exceed more than 120Kmph in the Inazuma While you could cruise in 100-110 Kmph in Zmr itself, then whats the Point of Spending a mammoth 1 Lakh extra and add to this Easy and Vast amount of Service Centers & cheaper maintenance Costs of HERO when compared to SUZUKI.. So the obvious Choice

P.S This may not be the exact Way of Comparison since you will find better Bikes than ZMR in the Present Market, but told this since @sanjanikar wants to choose between ZMR & Inazuma

The feel of a Twin Cylinder is totally different. I would say it is not right to compare the ZMR with the Inazuma as they are totally from a different class.. However, I would any time prefer the Inazuma over the ZMR.. and the ZMR engine would heat up in hot conditions where as the Inazuma with the Liquid Cooler will keep the engine in the optimum heat no matter how long you cruise.. the only reason you might get off the bike is to relax yourself like how I did last month.. though the engine didn't heat up too much, there was some noticeable difference in acceleration due to engine heat in ZMR which will not be present in the Inazuma..

on the ZMR, you can cruise at 100-110 kmph constantly.. no doubt.. but terms and conditions applied.. the temperature has to some 25-30 degrees.. otherwise, the engine will heat up and that was the issue I faced on the last day ride from Sagar to New Delhi where the temperatures were very high.. i lost all the stamina that day and I just wanted to reach home.. the bike engine was heating up (though I was riding at 100-110 kmph). had it been Inazuma, I don't think the bike would have strained this much..

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Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post

I think hero should introduce a naked version of ZMR with same 223cc fuel injected engine...

I think Hero should introduce Impuse 220 with the ZMR 2014 engine

That will be a bike I would love to ride

**Naveen1985** · 07-02-2014, 02:15 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

The feel of a Twin Cylinder is totally different. I would say it is not right to compare the ZMR with the Inazuma as they are totally from a different class.. However, I would any time prefer the Inazuma over the ZMR.. and the ZMR engine would heat up in hot conditions where as the Inazuma with the Liquid Cooler will keep the engine in the optimum heat no matter how long you cruise.. the only reason you might get off the bike is to relax yourself like how I did last month.. though the engine didn't heat up too much, there was some noticeable difference in acceleration due to engine heat in ZMR which will not be present in the Inazuma..

on the ZMR, you can cruise at 100-110 kmph constantly.. no doubt.. but terms and conditions applied.. the temperature has to some 25-30 degrees.. otherwise, the engine will heat up and that was the issue I faced on the last day ride from Sagar to New Delhi where the temperatures were very high.. i lost all the stamina that day and I just wanted to reach home.. the bike engine was heating up (though I was riding at 100-110 kmph). had it been Inazuma, I don't think the bike would have strained this much..

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I think Hero should introduce Impuse 220 with the ZMR 2014 engine

That will be a bike I would love to ride

Hero should develop a sub 250cc bike based on hero hastur. For me that bike was the show stopper at auto expo. Its design was fresh, futuristic, attractive and aggressive.

**psr** · 07-02-2014, 02:42 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

From what the HH Chief Mech., told me ,the HX 250 is expected to be priced at 1.40 L Non ABS and 1.55 ABS Ex-showroom..

The Inazuma cannot be compared with any of the present 250 cc bikes. It has Good Torque and stability. It's saddle height is also low...Engine is reported to be vibration free throughout the RPM range and of course it is 180+ kilos in weight...The fit and finish is Very Good and most parts are made with thick material and finished well...The chassis and fittings all seem over engineered and built to last..

**rreneav1987** · 07-02-2014, 02:48 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by psr View Post

From what the HH Chief Mech., told me ,the HX 250 is expected to be priced at 1.40 L Non ABS and 1.55 ABS Ex-showroom..

The Inazuma cannot be compared with any of the present 250 cc bikes. It has Good Torque and stability. It's saddle height is also low...Engine is reported to be vibration free throughout the RPM range and of course it is 180+ kilos in weight...The fit and finish is Very Good and most parts are made with thick material and finished well...The chassis and fittings all seem over engineered and built to last..

When is it being launched sir??

I got info that it will be launched in this festive season.. hoping during Diwali..

regarding the inazuma.. +100

I love that bike for its weight. I faced a huge problem with cross winds on ZMR at high speeds and the fairing design is to be blamed.. the cross wind problem will not be an issue when it comes to Inazuma. the weight itself is a plus point giving it perfect stability.. like you said, the build quality is simply perfect

**psr** · 07-02-2014, 03:02 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

When is it being launched sir??

I got info that it will be launched in this festive season.. hoping during Diwali..

regarding the inazuma.. +100

I love that bike for its weight. I faced a huge problem with cross winds on ZMR at high speeds and the fairing design is to be blamed.. the cross wind problem will not be an issue when it comes to Inazuma. the weight itself is a plus point giving it perfect stability.. like you said, the build quality is simply perfect

The HX 250 is expected by this Sept/October...but it is pure speculation....though the mech said that he saw the HX 250 in the works when he went for the New ZMA/ZMR training.

**shivakrish** · 07-02-2014, 03:11 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

The feel of a Twin Cylinder is totally different. I would say it is not right to compare the ZMR with the Inazuma as they are totally from a different class.. However, I would any time prefer the Inazuma over the ZMR.. and the ZMR engine would heat up in hot conditions where as the Inazuma with the Liquid Cooler will keep the engine in the optimum heat no matter how long you cruise.. the only reason you might get off the bike is to relax yourself like how I did last month.. though the engine didn't heat up too much, there was some noticeable difference in acceleration due to engine heat in ZMR which will not be present in the Inazuma..

on the ZMR, you can cruise at 100-110 kmph constantly.. no doubt.. but terms and conditions applied.. the temperature has to some 25-30 degrees.. otherwise, the engine will heat up and that was the issue I faced on the last day ride from Sagar to New Delhi where the temperatures were very high.. i lost all the stamina that day and I just wanted to reach home.. the bike engine was heating up (though I was riding at 100-110 kmph). had it been Inazuma, I don't think the bike would have strained this much..

Well bro what you did was extreme Tour around 5500 Kms totally

I was telling abt day to day Use and Occasional touring..
btw guys even I have mentioned in the post that Its not appropriate Comparison, i just summed it up in Simple wrds since [MENTION=67143]sanjanikar[/MENTION] wanted to choose between both..

**rreneav1987** · 07-02-2014, 03:16 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by shivakrish View Post

Well bro what you did was extreme Tour around 5500 Kms totally

I was telling abt day to day Use and Occasional touring..
btw guys even I have mentioned in the post that Its not appropriate Comparison, i just summed it up in Simple wrds since @sanjanikar wanted to choose between both..

Chillax.. ZMR any time

FE is the best in its class.. no other 200-230 cc gives as much as the ZMR does

next time I tour, i am going to change the rear sprocket to P220s 36 T and see how it feels.. wondering if there are any changes to the sprockets in the New ZMR.. any idea guys??

**Naveen1985** · 07-02-2014, 03:16 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by psr View Post

The HX 250 is expected by this Sept/October...but it is pure speculation....though the mech said that he saw the HX 250 in the works when he went for the New ZMA/ZMR training.

Thanks for this Sir...
Are they working on hastur or not...??

**rreneav1987** · 07-02-2014, 03:26 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post

Thanks for this Sir...
Are they working on hastur or not...??

Regarding the Hastur, if you noticed the engine of the bike which was showcased in Auto Expo 2014, it looked like an empty aluminium box.. it was just a concept model.. Most likely to hit the Indian Market in next 2 years.. this is as per the information i got from someone I know..

**dineshaugustin** · 07-02-2014, 07:11 PM

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

hey guys....did anyone faced the similar issue....like while driving @ speed 50+ kmph, the bike stops abruptly for no reason. and if i try again and again it wont start like there is no petrol only self motor runs.. but if i give it a 5 min or so, it starts again. i am not sure it is a heating problem because once it happened after 10mins start of my ride. i searched internet and found same issue with ZMR also. between i own HUNK.

any possible reason...?

thanks in advance.

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