Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

[MotoBlizzard]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

The way the manual says to break in is the soft break in method but after thorough research I found out that hard break in is the way to go. Although I was skeptical about whether to follow the method or not but finally decided to do so. And if you do it properly then the bike becomes a different machine all together. The performance is better than that of the bike which was softly broken. So redlining the bike before 1st service is OK.

I think you are confused between Redlining a bike and doing a hard breakin. If you think a Hard breakin means redlining the bike then you are misinformed.

A hard break-in simply means you are aggressive with teh throttle and braking which leads to faster acceleration and deceleration. You still have to stay under the RPM limits for respective service schedules. You dont baby-handle the motorcycle. If you are drawing conclusion based on Motoman's breakin method then I would suggest you read it once again carefully.

Also to quote, "the bike becomes a different machine", it really does not. If done right, you get 2-10% extra power out of it than compared to an easy breakin one. This is not noticeable unless you are on a race track and in a race.

Motoman did his tests with large displacement engines. Such an effect isnt well pronounced in a 155cc engine

thanks bro,1. but the rvm's are a bit lengthy and protruding a bit,due to which the rvm's tends to damage while maneuvering in traffic conditions
2.Also the rear view is not good with the stock rvm's.
these are also my reasons for thinking of an alternative rvm for my bike.

Get teh Naked Gixxer Handlebar mirrors from Suzuki Spare parts. It may look a little less sexy than the fairing mirrors but they will be much better in tight maneuverings. If you try to put P220 mirrors on your bike, they will be pointless because your shoulder span will cover the whole thing.

[Biswajeet Patra]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

I think you are confused between Redlining a bike and doing a hard breakin. If you think a Hard breakin means redlining the bike then you are misinformed.

A hard break-in simply means you are aggressive with teh throttle and braking which leads to faster acceleration and deceleration. You still have to stay under the RPM limits for respective service schedules. You dont baby-handle the motorcycle. If you are drawing conclusion based on Motoman's breakin method then I would suggest you read it once again carefully.

Also to quote, "the bike becomes a different machine", it really does not. If done right, you get 2-10% extra power out of it than compared to an easy breakin one. This is not noticeable unless you are on a race track and in a race.

Motoman did his tests with large displacement engines. Such an effect isnt well pronounced in a 155cc engine



Get teh Naked Gixxer Handlebar mirrors from Suzuki Spare parts. It may look a little less sexy than the fairing mirrors but they will be much better in tight maneuverings. If you try to put P220 mirrors on your bike, they will be pointless because your shoulder span will cover the whole thing.

I talked with an engineer from Honda and did my engine break in according to his advice(he's also an enthusiast so he won't suggest anything that would ruin a bike) . For redlining the bike I didn't mean to always rip the bike but doing it a few times. I used to shift at 7k before the first servicing and also did a hard acceleration run redlining the bike in the first 100 km. As for the advantage I'm seeing compared to my friend's bike who strictly followed the manual. I get a fuel economy of 45-47 kmpl on highway cruising at 100 to 110 and occasional top speed run. My accelerates a bit quicker too and is more gruntier than the otherwise linear gixxer engine.
And about the restrictions mentioned in the manual the engineer told me about a thing which don't know whether it's true or not is that due to concern for the safety of the rider and pedestrian and for some government policies a motorcycle company can't recommend someone for hard break in even though it's the best way to break in your engine.

[MotoBlizzard]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

I talked with an engineer from Honda and did my engine break in according to his advice(he's also an enthusiast so he won't suggest anything that would ruin a bike) . For redlining the bike I didn't mean to always rip the bike but doing it a few times. I used to shift at 7k before the first servicing and also did a hard acceleration run redlining the bike in the first 100 km. As for the advantage I'm seeing compared to my friend's bike who strictly followed the manual. I get a fuel economy of 45-47 kmpl on highway cruising at 100 to 110 and occasional top speed run. My accelerates a bit quicker too and is more gruntier than the otherwise linear gixxer engine.
And about the restrictions mentioned in the manual the engineer told me about a thing which don't know whether it's true or not is that due to concern for the safety of the rider and pedestrian and for some government policies a motorcycle company can't recommend someone for hard break in even though it's the best way to break in your engine.

I believe you meant Honda Technician not Engineer. The personnel that work in an SVC are technicians not engineers. I wouldnt consider them a reliable source of information.

[Biswajeet Patra]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

I believe you meant Honda Technician not Engineer. The personnel that work in an SVC are technicians not engineers. I wouldnt consider them a reliable source of information.

No I'm talking about an actual engineer who works for Honda R&D. Even not that dumb to consider the svc technician as an engineer.

[MotoBlizzard]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

No I'm talking about an actual engineer who works for Honda R&D. Even not that dumb to consider the svc technician as an engineer.

To quote you "(he's also an enthusiast so he won't suggest anything that would ruin a bike)"

Thats a conflicting statement, why would an Automobile engineer not be an enthusiast? Also FYI those engineers WRITE the breakin guide you see in the owner's manual. If he
"personally told" you anything that contradicts whats in the owners manual then hes breaking Company policy. So its pretty hard to believe that you spoke with an "Engineer" from Honda.

[Navinder Aarush]

Gixxer SF engine heating

I ride a gixxer last few weeks, that bike done only 300km only. I face an issue about engine heating, when I ride 30-35km engine get very hot than other motorcycle like fz, cb hornet, it's feel to my leg very well. Can anyone help me about this issue, please give some suggestions?

[Biswajeet Patra]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

To quote you "(he's also an enthusiast so he won't suggest anything that would ruin a bike)"

Thats a conflicting statement, why would an Automobile engineer not be an enthusiast? Also FYI those engineers WRITE the breakin guide you see in the owner's manual. If he
"personally told" you anything that contradicts whats in the owners manual then hes breaking Company policy. So its pretty hard to believe that you spoke with an "Engineer" from Honda.

Now you are just trying to pick on me. Why are you trying to prove me wrong so badly. You aren't someone who knows everything. Believing on a fact is your choice but you can't accuse it to be false. Try to act a bit mature man. Point ting out little things from what I wrote. Are you playing the sherlock game.

[MotoBlizzard]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

Now you are just trying to pick on me. Why are you trying to prove me wrong so badly. You aren't someone who knows everything. Believing on a fact is your choice but you can't accuse it to be false. Try to act a bit mature man. Point ting out little things from what I wrote. Are you playing the sherlock game.

Because what you are saying is Pure BS. No sensible motorcyclist will ever tell you to redline a new bike let alone an Engineer. You are correct, I am not someone who knows everything but I certainly have much more knowledge about a Break-in process than you do. Also what you are believing in is not a fact, its a cooked up theory that apparently a Honda "Engineer" told you. You are the one acting immature here trying to spread false information. I would recommend you to go read some more articles rather than believing in some "Engineer". Besides this is a Suzuki Gixxer SF thread. I really wouldnt care or trust a Honda engineer with my bike

P.S.1: Dont try to throw personal comments just because you cant defend yourself
P.S.2: I am done conversing with you.
P.S.3: I recommend all new GSX-150 owners to follow what the manual says and NOT Redline their precious new bikes.

[black asp]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

The way the manual says to break in is the soft break in method but after thorough research I found out that hard break in is the way to go. Although I was skeptical about whether to follow the method or not but finally decided to do so. And if you do it properly then the bike becomes a different machine all together. The performance is better than that of the bike which was softly broken. So redlining the bike before 1st service is OK.

Completely Rubbish and garbage idea.
Don't peddle these thoughts here.
Keep your unproven and jugaad ideas to you. Please don't encourage others to fry their rings.

CHEERS

[black asp]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

Simply mentioning a RnD guy doesn't mean you start to make sense.
From whatever i learnt from the rebuilds I did, this is the most unholy suggestion that you can give to a guy who got a new bike and yet to run in.

CHEERS

[Biswajeet Patra]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

Because what you are saying is Pure BS. No sensible motorcyclist will ever tell you to redline a new bike let alone an Engineer. You are correct, I am not someone who knows everything but I certainly have much more knowledge about a Break-in process than you do. Also what you are believing in is not a fact, its a cooked up theory that apparently a Honda "Engineer" told you. You are the one acting immature here trying to spread false information. I would recommend you to go read some more articles rather than believing in some "Engineer". Besides this is a Suzuki Gixxer SF thread. I really wouldnt care or trust a Honda engineer with my bike

P.S.1: Dont try to throw personal comments just because you cant defend yourself
P.S.2: I am done conversing with you.
P.S.3: I recommend all new GSX-150 owners to follow what the manual says and NOT Redline their precious new bikes.

Completely Rubbish and garbage idea.
Don't peddle these thoughts here.
Keep your unproven and jugaad ideas to you. Please don't encourage others to fry their rings.

CHEERS

Simply mentioning a RnD guy doesn't mean you start to make sense.
From whatever i learnt from the rebuilds I did, this is the most unholy suggestion that you can give to a guy who got a new bike and yet to run in.

CHEERS

First I wold like to apologize for losing my calm and if I've hurt your sentiments by any means and thus this time will stating all the fact that I've come across regarding soft and hard break in.

Soft break in basically means being gentle on the engine for a certain amount of time so that all the components properly wear and tear each other, form proper tight bonds and work in symphony with each other. But this method was meant to be followed for engines made about 20 years back when the manufacturing technology wasn't as advanced as it is now and it was impossible to attain high level of precision like we do today. These days the manufacturing prowess of a company have allowed it attain such high level of precision that there isn't a need to soft break an engine. If you are rebuilding an engine and assembling them by yourself then no doubt you'll require to do a soft break in as their is no way possible to attain a machine's precision by hand.

I would also like to bring light to the fact that all companies run a dyno test on all their newly assembled bikes where they redline the bikes in each gear. So by your logic the companies are selling us faulty, defective, broken bikes to us as they have been already redlined.*

My friend I'm not saying that soft break in is a wrong but hard break(redlining the bike a certain amount of times and being aggressive on the throttle in general) in is not wrong either. And finally as to why the manufacturer write such limits in the manual, think about it how can the manufacturer recommend you to rev a bike bike hard which in turn lead you to ride fast on a bike that you just bought and are not yet comfortable with. They'll be held responsible for any sort of accidents that happen, so out of safety concerns and not to be held responsible for any sort of mishaps a company recommends you to ride under limits. Also attaching a link to a video which might help understand things better*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr60QK0Hsvs
On more thing you just need to change the oil a bit earlier if you hard break in your engine then you are good to go.

[black asp]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

First I wold like to apologize for losing my calm and if I've hurt your sentiments by any means and thus this time will stating all the fact that I've come across regarding soft and hard break in.

Soft break in basically means being gentle on the engine for a certain amount of time so that all the components properly wear and tear each other, form proper tight bonds and work in symphony with each other. But this method was meant to be followed for engines made about 20 years back when the manufacturing technology wasn't as advanced as it is now and it was impossible to attain high level of precision like we do today. These days the manufacturing prowess of a company have allowed it attain such high level of precision that there isn't a need to soft break an engine. If you are rebuilding an engine and assembling them by yourself then no doubt you'll require to do a soft break in as their is no way possible to attain a machine's precision by hand.

I would also like to bring light to the fact that all companies run a dyno test on all their newly assembled bikes where they redline the bikes in each gear. So by your logic the companies are selling us faulty, defective, broken bikes to us as they have been already redlined.*

My friend I'm not saying that soft break in is a wrong but hard break(redlining the bike a certain amount of times and being aggressive on the throttle in general) in is not wrong either. And finally as to why the manufacturer write such limits in the manual, think about it how can the manufacturer recommend you to rev a bike bike hard which in turn lead you to ride fast on a bike that you just bought and are not yet comfortable with. They'll be held responsible for any sort of accidents that happen, so out of safety concerns and not to be held responsible for any sort of mishaps a company recommends you to ride under limits. Also attaching a link to a video which might help understand things better*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr60QK0Hsvs
On more thing you just need to change the oil a bit earlier if you hard break in your engine then you are good to go.

Dude what makes you think the engine present in your bike is a high precision engine. It's a pretty old tech commuter engine made to a budget and on a mass scale.
You can't expect litre class precision in a puny engine like gixxer.

Yeah another "GOOGLE guru" spitting rubbish.

Carry on.

[black asp]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

I have seen my share of motoman ,patlu-man , hard types of run ins in Indian bikes and mostly end up consuming oil within 20k kms.

[Biswajeet Patra]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

Dude what makes you think the engine present in your bike is a high precision engine. It's a pretty old tech commuter engine made to a budget and on a mass scale.
You can't expect litre class precision in a puny engine like gixxer.

Yeah another "GOOGLE guru" spitting rubbish.

Carry on.

I am not saying it's as precise as a liter bike but it's surely much more precise than what engines used to be. And yeah I got my facts from Google like you don't. If you have any other source of information then please share with us too.

[Biswajeet Patra]

Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

I have seen my share of motoman ,patlu-man , hard types of run ins in Indian bikes and mostly end up consuming oil within 20k kms.

20k. Or do you mean 2k?