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**a_shirke8** · 07-11-2018, 12:23 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by ayrus View Post

What speed do you usually maintain? Does your city ride involve a lot of stop and go traffic? Any sudden accelerations or braking?

Yes. A lot of stop and go traffic. No sudden accelerations. Theres just not enough space on the roads of Mumbai.

I am not sure what speed I usually maintain. But it ranges from 0 to 60. I can tell you I maintain RPM at 3.5 to 5k

But I believe most users are getting a similar efficiency in city as me.

Does the bike have any starting or battery issues? It is significant considering the fact that the 200 doesn't have a kickstarter.

Mine does. Cold starts are a pain in the @** for me. I use it for commuting between my home and office. Its about 50 kms overall. All the starts are cold starts.

I follow all possible best practices for cold starts. Choke the engine, idle the engine for 3-4 mintutes, it helps but then when I ride, the bike loses pickup in 3rd and 2nd gears. Its scary if youre just joining the freeway from the service rd.

I think its an issue with just my bike. I'll stop complaining.

If you are expecting a good fuel economy, comparing it to the unicorns and gixxers, go for the 160 4v. You wont get the same power and feel as the 200, but you get the same look and more comfort.

**ayrus** · 07-11-2018, 12:35 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Is the older version of Apache 200 still available? I'm not so fond of the race edition. I loved the minimal looks of the older version.

**deepakmadhivanan** · 07-11-2018, 01:43 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by ayrus View Post

What speed do you usually maintain? Does your city ride involve a lot of stop and go traffic? Any sudden accelerations or braking?

Does the bike have any starting or battery issues? It is significant considering the fact that the 200 doesn't have a kickstarter.

In city it won’t go less than 30kmpl. Even in a little hard accelerating conditions. For smoother city riding you’ll get a max of 35kmpl I.e., within5000 rpm. In high way I even got 52kmpl max at speeds of 50-55kmpl. But for riding like that there is no need for a 200cc motorcycle.
If you are very much concerned about fuel economy you better go for 160, you can’t feel much difference in performance within 5000rpm.

Cold start problem will be there on most of the carbureted bikes. Have to use choke on cold starting. But it can be reduced by using 5w-30 engine oil. It has better cold viscosity index. Using any 40 grade oil requires more time for warmup that worsen the issue.
Fi model won’t have cold starting issues
Battery is a maintenance free one. So no need to worry. Even if it goes down, it’s easy to push start the bike.

**a_shirke8** · 07-11-2018, 01:54 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by deepakmadhivanan View Post

Cold start problem will be there on most of the carbureted bikes. Have to use choke on cold starting. But it can be reduced by using 5w-30 engine oil. It has better cold viscosity index. Using any 40 grade oil requires more time for warmup that worsen the issue.

Would the Motul 300v 5w30 be a proper choice?

I am using the recommended Tru4 by tvs with 10w30 viscosity.

**deepakmadhivanan** · 07-11-2018, 02:15 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by a_shirke8 View Post

Would the Motul 300v 5w30 be a proper choice?

I am using the recommended Tru4 by tvs with 10w30 viscosity.

In my experience 300v 5w30 is the best for rtr200. I used it for the past 8000kms. Now I filled with 300v 10w40 due to the former’s unavailability. I could feel the difference. Like longer time for warming up and a bit harshness at high rpm.
I’ll ride 300kms on every weekend at highways apart from daily commuting. So I used to do speeds above 110 all the times. For that kind of riding tru4 lasted only for 1500kms. But motul can go up to to 4000kms.
Try once you’ll feel the difference.

**a_shirke8** · 07-11-2018, 04:46 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by deepakmadhivanan View Post

In my experience 300v 5w30 is the best for rtr200. I used it for the past 8000kms. Now I filled with 300v 10w40 due to the former’s unavailability. I could feel the difference. Like longer time for warming up and a bit harshness at high rpm.
I’ll ride 300kms on every weekend at highways apart from daily commuting. So I used to do speeds above 110 all the times. For that kind of riding tru4 lasted only for 1500kms. But motul can go up to to 4000kms.
Try once you’ll feel the difference.

You can check official dealers from Motul's website if you are facing any avaliability issues. They generally check and order stuff if a customer has requirements.(calling them up isba good idea)

Also, thank you for your response. It has greatly affected my confidence in looking somewhere other than Tru4, as my bike is just 5k on odo and I dont want any warranty issues.

But heck, im just gonna go for the 300 v.

Cheers.

**deepakmadhivanan** · 07-11-2018, 05:14 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by a_shirke8 View Post

You can check official dealers from Motul's website if you are facing any avaliability issues. They generally check and order stuff if a customer has requirements.(calling them up isba good idea)

Also, thank you for your response. It has greatly affected my confidence in looking somewhere other than Tru4, as my bike is just 5k on odo and I dont want any warranty issues.

But heck, im just gonna go for the 300 v.

Cheers.

Oh.. then I should try with them. Retailers are not keeping them in stocks because it’s expensive(1100₹) and other than apache only scooters and smaller bikes are recommended with 30grade. Actually 5w30 300v is meant for super bikes.
But tru4, I don’t think it’s a fully synthetic as they claim. May be a blend.

**MotoBlizzard** · 07-11-2018, 05:54 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by a_shirke8 View Post

Would the Motul 300v 5w30 be a proper choice?

I am using the recommended Tru4 by tvs with 10w30 viscosity.

Hope this helps:

Copy/Pasted: Motul 7100 vs 300V

I recommend 7100 for the street person that does occasional track days because it’s still 100% synthetic and it has ester, so it will handle high temperatures no problem. 7100 has more detergents and dispersants for cleaning which will typically allow for longer drain intervals, 5000 miles + depending on the rider. 7100 has an API rating of SM which makes in cleaner for bikes with catalytic converters and O2 sensors.

300V can be used on the street but it’s really designed for racing. 300V has double ester meaning Motul has used 2 types of esters in its formula – 1 to be used for friction reduction and 1 for extreme pressures. 300V has less detergents and dispersants vs. 7100 because they’re replaced that with extreme pressure additives for built engines. 300V is not API rated because it’s a racing oil and they assume that on a racing bike, you’re going to be pulling off your catalytic converters and O2 sensors.

**deepakmadhivanan** · 07-11-2018, 06:39 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post

Hope this helps:

Copy/Pasted: Motul 7100 vs 300V

I recommend 7100 for the street person that does occasional track days because it’s still 100% synthetic and it has ester, so it will handle high temperatures no problem. 7100 has more detergents and dispersants for cleaning which will typically allow for longer drain intervals, 5000 miles + depending on the rider. 7100 has an API rating of SM which makes in cleaner for bikes with catalytic converters and O2 sensors.

300V can be used on the street but it’s really designed for racing. 300V has double ester meaning Motul has used 2 types of esters in its formula – 1 to be used for friction reduction and 1 for extreme pressures. 300V has less detergents and dispersants vs. 7100 because they’re replaced that with extreme pressure additives for built engines. 300V is not API rated because it’s a racing oil and they assume that on a racing bike, you’re going to be pulling off your catalytic converters and O2 sensors.

Initially I was too very sceptical about 300v. But I did quite a research before choosing 300v. May be the drain interval is less when compared to 7100, but 7100 doesn’t have 30 grade. Because rtr is very sensitive to it’s engine oil. It performs best with the 30 grade. And the life of 300v is definitely more than true4. Tru4 won’t last for 5000kms as recommended by TVS. For normal conditions it’ll last For 3000kms. 300v is not a pure racing oil but it’s factory line road racing which suits for road bikes with catalytic converters. Motul have other series like racing line and 300v power racing for pure racing bikes. They have zinc additives to improve anti wear properties which is harmful for converters.I’ve attached the spec sheet of 300v 5w30. It’s sure 300v can get the beat out of your bike without harming your catalytic converter.

**MotoBlizzard** · 07-11-2018, 07:06 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by deepakmadhivanan View Post

300v is not a pure racing oil but it’s factory line road racing which suits for road bikes with catalytic converters. Motul have other series like racing line and 300v power racing for pure racing bikes. They have zinc additives to improve anti wear properties which is harmful for converters.I’ve attached the spec sheet of 300v 5w30. It’s sure 300v can get the beat out of your bike without harming your catalytic converter.

The message I Copy/Pasted was a direct response by Eddie Kraft after confirmation from Garrett Andrews. If you have the money to burn on 300V every 3000miles, thats fine.

300V is a Factory Line Racing oil. Theres no "road racing", "racing line" or "power racing (this is for cars not motorcycles)" or any further sub-categorization as such and its definitely not fit for bikes with Catalytic convertors even though it "mentions" it in their documentation.

In the documentation, it mentions Street Bikes under "Other uses". I would take that with a pinch of salt and stay on the safe side. Besides the oil is not API or JASO certified. Does your owners manual recommend use of a Non Certified engine oil?

Also look at the reference teams mentioned in the Documentation and compare that with your bike.

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/motul-production2/images/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/12/300V_204T_20Factory_20Line_205W30_GB.pdf?1492016005

**a_shirke8** · 07-11-2018, 07:10 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

If the bike feels good with 300v doesnt that make it a good choice?

Or am I being ignorant of other aspects?

Also I think the PDFs shared by MotoBlizzard and Deepakmadhivanan are referring to two different kinds of 300v oils. (Ester core technology vs Double ester).

**MotoBlizzard** · 07-11-2018, 07:20 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by a_shirke8 View Post

Also I think the PDFs shared by MotoBlizzard and Deepakmadhivanan are referring to two different kinds of 300v oils. (Ester core technology vs Double ester).

The image that Deepak posted is outdated documentation. The link I provided is directly from Motuls Product page for 300V 5w30.

**deepakmadhivanan** · 07-11-2018, 08:16 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post

The image that Deepak posted is outdated documentation. The link I provided is directly from Motuls Product page for 300V 5w30.

Dear pal please be cool... No offence... here we are just sharing our experiences... I already mentioned there is no good motorcycle oil on 30 grade in the market... that’s the main reason I’m preferring 300v... otherwise I’m also very concerned about spending 1400₹(for 1.2L) for every 4K or 5k kms...
we both told our opinions... and leave the rest to individual’s decision...
please don’t take it as a debate...

**MotoBlizzard** · 07-11-2018, 09:11 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by deepakmadhivanan View Post

Dear pal please be cool... No offence..

I am not sure why you assumed I was angry? And I wasnt talking about your preference to begin with. Read my original reply to a_shirke8 once again, its a comparison between 7100 and 300V.

**ayrus** · 07-11-2018, 10:35 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Originally posted by ayrus View Post

2) How does the slipper clutch feel exactly? Is it like I pull the clutch lever every time I decelerate or it just kicks in only on hard downshifts? Does it affect engine braking?

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