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  • #3466
    Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

    Hi allI would like to know how the gearshifts are holding up after 10k kms. Is it still butter smooth or does it get clunky with time?Planning on getting one with ABS a few months later. General reviews state that the ART has made the gear shifts even smoother, so I think its good enough.

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    • #3467
      Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

      Originally posted by Joe29 View Post
      Hi allI would like to know how the gearshifts are holding up after 10k kms. Is it still butter smooth or does it get clunky with time?Planning on getting one with ABS a few months later. General reviews state that the ART has made the gear shifts even smoother, so I think its good enough.
      Mine is abs version, one month old. I don't think it has art. Gear shifts are clunky for 1 and 2 gears. Rest are smooth.

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      • #3468
        Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

        Originally posted by Joe29 View Post
        Hi allI would like to know how the gearshifts are holding up after 10k kms. Is it still butter smooth or does it get clunky with time?Planning on getting one with ABS a few months later. General reviews state that the ART has made the gear shifts even smoother, so I think its good enough.
        A-RT slipper clutch variant of RTR 200 was launched not too long ago. You'll hardly find anyone crossing 5K mark on the odo, let alone 10k. Now, as per general reviews, with slipper clutch on board, gear shifting has become child's play. The matter of concern is, it's hard to get hold of the race edition variant in some part of the country.

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        • #3469
          Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

          Originally posted by imshivs7 View Post
          with slipper clutch on board, gear shifting has become child's play.
          Thats not how slipper clutch works. Dont mistaken it for a "quick shifter"
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          • #3470
            Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

            Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post
            Thats not how slipper clutch works. Dont mistaken it for a "quick shifter"
            As a matter of fact, I certainly know what I am talking about. You didn't get what I actually tried to mean.

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            • #3471
              Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

              Originally posted by imshivs7
              Lol, seriously? Looks like someone needs to go back to school. It's a typo which happened in haste, and talking about grammar, you might want to check your punctuation in that regard.

              And please enlighten yourself before even trying to get into an argument with anyone.
              Guys, please give me some information about slipper clutch, I don't have knowledge about it.

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              • #3472
                Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                Originally posted by #bpk View Post
                Guys, please give me some information about slipper clutch, I don't have knowledge about it.
                Slipper clutch makes a rider's life easy. As the name suggests, it helps the clutch to partially slip until the engine rpm matches the rear wheel rpm. With slipper clutch on board, you don't get to experience sudden jerks from the motorcycle under quick downshifts. Also, slipper clutch eliminates the function of rev-matching.

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                • #3473
                  Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                  Originally posted by #bpk View Post
                  Guys, please give me some information about slipper clutch, I don't have knowledge about it.
                  Its whats the name says.

                  Its a clutch that slips under hard downshifts and avoids wheel hopping and clutch burning.

                  On a regular clutch if you downshift on higher speeds realeasing the clutch will engage the wheel with the engine and in hard downshifts, the speed of the wheel is higher than that that of the engine which can cause accidents.(please simply this if anyone can)

                  A slipper clutch will not completely engage. ie. It will slip to avoid accidents till the speed is right for the gear.

                  Its not very useful for road conditions AFAIU. Used widely on tracks.

                  Just and IT guy trying to do the right thing. Spare me. [emoji14]

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                  • #3474
                    Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                    Guys, behave!

                    it is not a place to fight!

                    Thread cleaned!
                    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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                    • #3475
                      Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                      Originally posted by rakowli View Post
                      Yesterday, i hit the top speed of 133kmph and was surprised to see that speed for a 31000 kms old chain. As per my knowledge as the chain gets old and spoilt the pick up, speed and mileage reduces. But still i am not getting any of those signs. Dont no about pick up that much but speed and mileage hasn't reduced. Mileage still is above 35 or atleast 35 kmpl whenever checked.
                      Indeed, a chain can allow the bike to hit its max speed irrespective of the wear condition. But, what's more important here is the amount of slack that the chain carries. A worn chain, adjusted, lubed and checked slack for periodically restrains power or performance. Meanwhile, the opposite is true when then chain is off slack, least cared for as it robs engine power and reduces the performance.

                      Slack a month, keeps the mechanic away!

                      Cheers!
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                      The girl said, 'NO!'


                      And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                      THE END

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                      • #3476
                        Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                        Guys I’ve seen your previous posts related to slipper clutch... Slipper clutch is nothing but a device which is used to limit the torque returning from the wheel to the engine...This helps us from the wheel lock due to the engine braking during high speed down shifts... so in case of sudden downshifts the wheel won’t lock and we won’t crash... so we can Downshift even at high speeds in corners especially in racing...So in real life if you are violating the traffic rules you need it... otherwise it won’t help much on gear shifting...But it may help on clutchless gear shifting

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                        • #3477
                          Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                          Originally posted by deepakmadhivanan View Post
                          So in real life if you are violating the traffic rules you need it... otherwise it won’t help much on gear shifting...But it may help on clutchless gear shifting
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                          • #3478
                            Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                            Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post
                            What?!
                            Exactly my thoughts. Haha.
                            Slipper clutch makes the clutch lighter, helping with city usage.
                            It is also helpful in case of a sudden engine seizure, prevents the rear from locking up.

                            All in all, slipper clutch improves rideability by a good margin. And for those of us who live at the hills, for like me, I am from Uttarakhand, this small 'nothing' device makes the motorcycle a lot more usable.

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                            • #3479
                              Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                              Since we're on the topic.

                              I wonder if its even remotely possible to retrofit the new slipper clutch in the standard RTR 200?

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                              • #3480
                                Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

                                #slipper clutch

                                Will start off with a 1988 Honda's Common Service Manual. This is what it says about an older sprag type twin hub "slipper" clutch. The term slipper was not used those times I guess.

                                Click image for larger version Name: Honda Slipper 1.jpg Views: 1 Size: 95.9 KB ID: 1960651
                                Click image for larger version Name: Honda Slipper 2.jpg Views: 1 Size: 80.7 KB ID: 1960652

                                This one's from Haynes Motorcycle Basics. Both the ebooks can be downloaded from the net.

                                Click image for larger version Name: Haynes Slipper.jpg Views: 1 Size: 102.9 KB ID: 1960650

                                Below: I wonder who-copied-who.

                                Click image for larger version Name: whocopyedwho.jpg Views: 1 Size: 58.9 KB ID: 1960653

                                In my current understanding:

                                A slipper clutch will
                                1. Slip when back torque from rear wheel is high enough to cause a lock.
                                2. Maintain appreciable amount of engine braking in all other "normal" times - if it doesn't, it is as good as disengaging clutch while braking.
                                3. Decrease effort needed at clutch lever because of lesser springs/less strong springs used.
                                4. Very marginally (not significant) increase gears, chain, sprocket and tyre's life.


                                A slipper clutch will NOT
                                1. Increase mileage, power, pick-up, torque or engine life but expect these things to be mentioned by the salesman.
                                2. Make clutchless upshift easy (it is already easy on bikes with non-ART clutches).
                                3. Be a substitute for good riding ( and/or shifting) skills. It is more a regulator than a on/off switch (an aid like ABS).

                                On the 2004V:
                                1. 99.9% it should be retrofittable to old 2004Vs - better to ask a SA at SVC as TVS should have issued bulletin(s) on the new part or supplements to shop manual and they know better.


                                The topic was also discussed here long back:

                                Slipper Clutch Vs Engine Braking - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community
                                https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general-biking-discussion/36220-slipper-clutch-vs-engine-braking.html
                                General Biking Discussions: Questions, complaints, concerns, rants & everything in between, of course related to biking.


                                Another basic video on slipper:


                                Cheers.

                                P.S. Sorry for the poor scans!
                                Last edited by ashwanth.r; 07-07-2018, 07:15 PM.

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