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  • #421
    Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

    Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
    Guys upshifting without clutch engagement is good or bad ?

    Does the clutch plate will get affected ?

    *And I've seen a slipper clutch from the Apache 200 is a direct fit to 160 4v and it costs around 2.5K bucks !!
    Is it worthy ?
    That sounds like a good idea but is the clutch cover same, so as to accomodate extra parts.

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    • #422
      Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

      Originally posted by Zapps View Post
      That sounds like a good idea but is the clutch cover same, so as to accomodate extra parts.
      Yeah everything is same!!

      Ditto from the Apache 200 4v !
      I hope only abs, slipper clutch and few parts and performance figures changes in 160 4v !

      Remaining all are same , I've found a YouTuber posting videos mostly on Apache 200 and they are pretty good !

      Link : [emoji116][emoji116][emoji116]

      https://youtu.be/Vxyz4GVt9i8

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      • #423
        Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

        Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
        Guys upshifting without clutch engagement is good or bad ? Does the clutch plate will get affected ?
        If done correctly, it will actually increase clutch life as one is no longer going to dis-engage (and engage) clutch frequently.

        Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
        *And I've seen a slipper clutch from the Apache 200 is a direct fit to 160 4v and it costs around 2.5K bucks !!
        Is it worthy ?
        They may look similar but is the primary reduction ratio the same, i.e., the number of teeth on the primary gear and no. of teeth on clutch?

        For 200 4v, it is 2.818.

        For 160 4v, it should be mentioned in the last few pages of the owner's manual. If this is same and the diameter of the clutch basket/gear the same, the swap can be done.

        Can you/others post the last pages of the manual if possible, the specs page, TIA.
        Last edited by ashwanth.r; 10-16-2018, 09:18 PM.

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        • #424
          Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

          [QUOTE=ashwanth.r;1355003]If done correctly, it will actually increase clutch life as one is no longer going to dis-engage (and engage) clutch frequently.



          They may look similar but is the primary reduction ratio the same, i.e., the number of teeth on the primary gear and no. of teeth on clutch?

          For 200 4v, it is 2.818.

          For 160 4v, it should be mentioned in the last few pages of the owner's manual. If this is same and the diameter of the clutch basket/gear the same, the swap can be done.

          Can you/others post the last pages of the manual if possible, the specs page, TIA.


          IDK whether the ratios are same , but the clutch box and the diameter are the same !!
          Last edited by Aswinlogi; 10-16-2018, 09:31 PM.

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          • #425
            Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

            Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
            I 've manual , but where to find those teeths info !!!

            Last few pages of the manual called "Tech specs".

            Click image for larger version Name: TVS specs 160 old.jpg Views: 1 Size: 20.8 KB ID: 1962035

            3.095 for previous generation RTR 160.
            Last edited by ashwanth.r; 10-16-2018, 09:29 PM.

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            • #426
              Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

              Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
              I 've manual , but where to find those teeths info !!!
              Hope this helps

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              • #427
                Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
                Hope this helps
                Gear ratios: 160 4vClick image for larger version Name: 1539701784638.jpg Views: 1 Size: 74.5 KB ID: 1962036

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                • #428
                  Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                  Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
                  Last few pages of the manual called "Tech specs".

                  [ATTACH]244350[/ATTACH]

                  3.095 for previous generation RTR 160.
                  Same for 160 4v too but what about 200 4v ?

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                  • #429
                    Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                    Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
                    Gear ratios: 160 4v
                    Difficult to do the swap . 200 4V - it is 2.818.
                    Last edited by ashwanth.r; 10-16-2018, 09:38 PM.

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                    • #430
                      Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                      Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
                      Difficult to do the swap .
                      Is it ?
                      BTW How do you conclude !

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                      • #431
                        Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                        Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
                        Difficult to do the swap . 200 4V - it is 2.818.
                        But I feel the clutch case is the same. The 200 4v has 6 clutch plates (or pressure plates – it's either of the two) while the RTR 160 and 180 have 5. But I don't know what the 160 4v has. So if it is 6, the slipper clutch installation is entirely possible.
                        https://spkreviews.home.blog/index/

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                        • #432
                          Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                          Originally posted by ayrus View Post
                          But I feel the clutch case is the same. The 200 4v has 6 clutch plates (or pressure plates – it's either of the two) while the RTR 160 and 180 have 5. But I don't know what the 160 4v has. So if it is 6, the slipper clutch installation is entirely possible.
                          Yup , clutch case is same indeed !

                          Just asked whether it's possible or not , I hope ASC mechanic may know some more info reg. this .

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                          • #433
                            Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                            Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
                            Is it ?
                            BTW How do you conclude !
                            Originally posted by ayrus View Post
                            But I feel the clutch case is the same. The 200 4v has 6 clutch plates (or pressure plates – it's either of the two) while the RTR 160 and 180 have 5. But I don't know what the 160 4v has. So if it is 6, the slipper clutch installation is entirely possible.
                            I didn't conclude it was impossible, I said it is difficult on the paper (2.818 vs 3.095). Unless, one opens and counts the number of teeth and measure the diameter, we can't conclude. Both the clutches might be of the same diameter as I too feel the bottom-end of the engine is the same.

                            If the number of teeth on the basket is same, diameter same - then 200 4v/160 4v only differ with respect to the number of teeth on primary gear of crank. If this is the case, it is very easy to do the swap.

                            The SVC guy will say such and such is not recommended, blah blah. Another easy way to find out is to see the part numbers of the clutch baskets - if 200 and 160 4v share the same part number, it's the same part.

                            One of you can check the catalogue in the stores next time you go for service - usually they allow us to see that. Take a peek and do let us know !

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                            • #434
                              Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                              Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post
                              I didn't conclude it was impossible, I said it is difficult on the paper (2.818 vs 3.095). Unless, one opens and counts the number of teeth and measure the diameter, we can't conclude. Both the clutches might be of the same diameter as I too feel the bottom-end of the engine is the same.

                              If the number of teeth on the basket is same, diameter same - then 200 4v/160 4v only differ with respect to the number of teeth on primary gear of crank. If this is the case, it is very easy to do the swap.

                              The SVC guy will say such and such is not recommended, blah blah. Another easy way to find out is to see the part numbers of the clutch baskets - if 200 and 160 4v share the same part number, it's the same part.

                              One of you can check the catalogue in the stores next time you go for service - usually they allow us to see that. Take a peek and do let us know !
                              Ok [emoji1360] Thanks for the info .

                              I hope ,in this video part numbers and prices are included !

                              https://youtu.be/oxDokGdCZv8

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                              • #435
                                Re: TVS Apache RTR 160 4V Ownership Experience

                                Originally posted by Aswinlogi View Post
                                Ok [emoji1360] Thanks for the info .

                                I hope ,in this video part numbers and prices are included !

                                https://youtu.be/oxDokGdCZv8
                                I'll check the catalogue possibly next Month !

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