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**apache_180** · 04-15-2011, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by social View Post

Yup the stock tyre does skid a bit more on wet. But don't think it is too bad. No street tyre will stick like glue of WET conditions.

BTW didn't know Pirelli had an 17" 110/80 tyre. Had known only about IRC, MRF and TVS. Good to have choices.

IRC is good, I've heard. So is the R15 rear but is not a direct fit.

so it's better to give the stock tyres some more time..before taking any change descision.

Originally posted by nisnth View Post

Wow, Pirelli 17" ???? Nice... what's the cost of it and where are you located? Obviously Pirelli should be better, but not sure regarding "Indian" conditions !!!

I am from pune, no idea about the cost. But i inquired about the dealers in pune which have Pirelli tyres.."Rajesh tyres" might have them....

**kantu** · 04-15-2011, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Mirhawk View Post

Dude My bike is just one week old and You are asking Me too change oil so soon!!

lol i didnt know that , its your choice , if you change oil certainly over heating reduces. you can change oil @ 1st service i.e at 500km or 2k km your choice

**social** · 04-15-2011, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Mirhawk View Post

Dude My bike is just one week old and You are asking Me too change oil so soon!!

Yup. It is advisable to change oil within the 1st 200 km. And then change it again during the 1st service aroun 6-700 km.

@apache_180 I think the Pirelli 17" tyre is front. Don't think it is advisable to put front tyres on rear wheel even if the dimensions match. Additional comments welcome.

**Garry_Menace** · 04-15-2011, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Mirhawk View Post

Dude My bike is just one week old and You are asking Me too change oil so soon!!

Well, if it is in context to overheating problem, then it is normal in case of new bikes to get heated up very soon. The reason behind it being very simple that the new cylinder kit's parts get scratched which we call as "piston rawaa ho raha hai" in local language. Scratching as in... the piston gets mated up with the cylinder walls and metal from the mating surfaces gets scratched up and it remains with the engine oil and gets circulated. It makes the engine to get heated up sooner. Not to worry about that, it is normal

Originally posted by social View Post

Yup. It is advisable to change oil within the 1st 200 km. And then change it again during the 1st service aroun 6-700 km.

@apache_180 I think the Pirelli 17" tyre is front. Don't think it is advisable to put front tyres on rear wheel even if the dimensions match. Additional comments welcome.

Well, would like to know the reason...

**shivank** · 04-16-2011, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by social View Post

@apache_180 I think the Pirelli 17" tyre is front. Don't think it is advisable to put front tyres on rear wheel even if the dimensions match. Additional comments welcome.

No,Pirelli rubber does come for the rear.It is the MT75 range and not the SDs.110/80-17" is available for rear.The only task is to find the dealer with the correct size of your tire.I have been searching one for very long.Reviews have been good and many Xbhp bikes are running on them.Surprisingly,they are not as expensive as the SDs.Prices are very reasonable and they are available for as low as Rs.1.8-2k..

Originally posted by Garry_Menace View Post

Well, would like to know the reason...

I believe it's because of the tire profile and the tread pattern.Both front and rear tires are used for different purposes.It has something to do with that.I read an article regarding this a while back.It said,the front tires have triangular profile which helps in quick turning whereas the rear ones are more rounded.So using a front for rear might lead to unpredictable ride! But,it also said that because our bikes are light and underpowered there is no problem if you fit the front-spec rubber at rear..

Nobody wants to take chances,no? So,better stick to what's been advised..

**apache_180** · 04-16-2011, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by shivank View Post

No,Pirelli rubber does come for the rear.It is the MT75 range and not the SDs.110/80-17" is available for rear.The only task is to find the dealer with the correct size of your tire.I have been searching one for very long.Reviews have been good and many Xbhp bikes are running on them.Surprisingly,they are not as expensive as the SDs.Prices are very reasonable and they are available for as low as Rs.1.8-2k..

I believe it's because of the tire profile and the tread pattern.Both front and rear tires are used for different purposes.It has something to do with that.I read an article regarding this a while back.It said,the front tires have triangular profile which helps in quick turning whereas the rear ones are more rounded.So using a front for rear might lead to unpredictable ride! But,it also said that because our bikes are light and underpowered there is no problem if you fit the front-spec rubber at rear..

Nobody wants to take chances,no? So,better stick to what's been advised..

@shivank Thanks for the clarification...I have talked to a dealer,he has asked to visit the showroom on monday. In case i am lucky and the tyre is available what would be ur advise :change it or wait for the stock tyre to get lil bit older..(it's just 1 month old)

@social you can check the details here MT 75 , Motorcycle Tyres - PIRELLI

**Garry_Menace** · 04-16-2011, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by shivank View Post

No,Pirelli rubber does come for the rear.It is the MT75 range and not the SDs.110/80-17" is available for rear.The only task is to find the dealer with the correct size of your tire.I have been searching one for very long.Reviews have been good and many Xbhp bikes are running on them.Surprisingly,they are not as expensive as the SDs.Prices are very reasonable and they are available for as low as Rs.1.8-2k..

I believe it's because of the tire profile and the tread pattern.Both front and rear tires are used for different purposes.It has something to do with that.I read an article regarding this a while back.It said,the front tires have triangular profile which helps in quick turning whereas the rear ones are more rounded.So using a front for rear might lead to unpredictable ride! But,it also said that because our bikes are light and underpowered there is no problem if you fit the front-spec rubber at rear..

Nobody wants to take chances,no? So,better stick to what's been advised..

Yes bro, I know that. But, here we have the matter of a Pirelli rubber not be used. Whats the logic that Pirelli rubber shouldn't be used on RTR's rear when we know that it sticks a lot better than the stock one?

And, a question to @lijok bro. Does Joel's FFE for RTR comes with a db killer or it is as loud as any other FFE?

**ameyashogun** · 04-16-2011, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Drifty View Post

Ya..sure...MOTUL oil, you will get it at A.H.Helmets for sure.
Currently,I am using Veedol Super Swift 10W40 Semi synthetic oil but will be going for Motul 5100T next time.

wat if we use this mobil 1 10w40 fully synth
attaching the pictures it's APSI 'SJ' + JASO MA (Not MB)
may be Back pic is not clear that's why in writing.
i Use in my APACHE RTR 180 Company rec is 20w40
oil is smooth,
power is up (acceleration),
perfect gear Shifting pressure (in Castrol it was hard after Racing 1)
lesser vibs comparable to Motul 300V 10w40
want to go for fully synthetic after 18,000km on ODO at last in mumbai few places where you can find fully synthetic oil regularly

now pls suggest which is better one
thank you
Price Rs. 850/- Attached Thumbnails

Originally posted by lijok View Post

Kool we can expect this from you only great

**social** · 04-16-2011, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Garry_Menace View Post

Well, would like to know the reason...

Unlike most car tires, your motorcycle tires need to be different for the front and the rear of the bike. Each motorcycle tire is has been designed with the specific location in mind on the bike and each tire has differing engineered goals to accomplish. Power - acceleration is provided predominantly by the rear tire, and the front tire supplies more of the braking power than is required by the rear tire - this could be up to an 80% difference in requirements for motorcycle tyre braking.

Obviously the front motorcycle tire turns left and right to accommodate direction desired, while the back motorcycle tire is subject only to the lean of the bike, and that too must be taken into consideration in design and choices of motorcycle tires. Since the back tire carries the bulk of the weight, this will alter the design requirements and specification requirements."

Not my theory but makes a lot of sense

More info: rear tire versus front tire?

**Garry_Menace** · 04-16-2011, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by social View Post

Unlike most car tires, your motorcycle tires need to be different for the front and the rear of the bike. Each motorcycle tire is has been designed with the specific location in mind on the bike and each tire has differing engineered goals to accomplish. Power - acceleration is provided predominantly by the rear tire, and the front tire supplies more of the braking power than is required by the rear tire - this could be up to an 80% difference in requirements for motorcycle tyre braking.

Obviously the front motorcycle tire turns left and right to accommodate direction desired, while the back motorcycle tire is subject only to the lean of the bike, and that too must be taken into consideration in design and choices of motorcycle tires. Since the back tire carries the bulk of the weight, this will alter the design requirements and specification requirements."

Not my theory but makes a lot of sense

More info: rear tire versus front tire?

Damn!... I was asking about "Why specifically PIRELLI tyre is not good for RTR's rear, not that why front tyre is can't be used at rear side"

... the thing which lead to the mis-understanding is that I didn't read that the tyre that guy referred is a FRONT tyre, and the guys who're replying me on the same didn't notice that I'm asking about WHY NOT PIRELLI rubber, not that why not front tyre at rear

... Well, both of us were confused of what's going on here

... lol

Anyways, still thanks to my buddies to make me revise all this

**Abhii46** · 04-17-2011, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by apache_180 View Post

change it or wait for the stock tyre to get lil bit older..(it's just 1 month old)

I have been using stock tires for 28k kms. Planning to change the front one now and rear one after 30k or 31k kms.

**abhishekch** · 04-17-2011, 01:14 PM

ownership report 10000km

it more than a year and finally i managed to hit only 10000km odo on my bike. all in city no touring yet
i know it's very less but i dont get chance to ride more.

any way bike performed very well. it has given me no major issues yet,

just some minor niggles like hiccups & brake squeeling .
but some from some days bike starts to vibrate at 7k rpm.
ones screwed the afr at home and the mileage dropped down but fixed by svc.

fallen two times nothing major happened. given a identification scar at headlight housing.soon changing it.

parts changed yet.
{

both rvm;
foot brake paddel;
both foot pegs of rider and right side of pillion;
rear brake pads changed twice;
rear brake oil topup twice;
engine oil changed 8 times;

}

highest achived top speed is 137.
and 0 to 60 3.6

currently using engine oil;
valvoline 4t premium;

not a single puncher till now, tyres are still in good condition. and will still cover more than 15k.

bike revs quickly and instantly hit 11k mark in no time. any time ready to do 120+.

**shivank** · 04-17-2011, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by apache_180 View Post

@shivank Thanks for the clarification...I have talked to a dealer,he has asked to visit the showroom on monday. In case i am lucky and the tyre is available what would be ur advise :change it or wait for the stock tyre to get lil bit older..(it's just 1 month old)
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I would suggest you to change them at your earliest convenience..

Stock tires behave good on straights and tarmac but no matter how old or new the TVS tire is it behaves madly when wet!

Originally posted by social View Post

Unlike most car tires, your motorcycle tires need to be different for the front and the rear of the bike. Each motorcycle tire is has been designed with the specific location in mind on the bike and each tire has differing engineered goals to accomplish. Power - acceleration is provided predominantly by the rear tire, and the front tire supplies more of the braking power than is required by the rear tire - this could be up to an 80% difference in requirements for motorcycle tyre braking.

Obviously the front motorcycle tire turns left and right to accommodate direction desired, while the back motorcycle tire is subject only to the lean of the bike, and that too must be taken into consideration in design and choices of motorcycle tires. Since the back tire carries the bulk of the weight, this will alter the design requirements and specification requirements."

Not my theory but makes a lot of sense

More info: rear tire versus front tire?

Nice..

Originally posted by Garry_Menace View Post

Damn!... I was asking about "Why specifically PIRELLI tyre is not good for RTR's rear, not that why front tyre is can't be used at rear side"

... the thing which lead to the mis-understanding is that I didn't read that the tyre that guy referred is a FRONT tyre, and the guys who're replying me on the same didn't notice that I'm asking about WHY NOT PIRELLI rubber, not that why not front tyre at rear

... Well, both of us were confused of what's going on here

... lol

Anyways, still thanks to my buddies to make me revise all this

So,it was your mistake na? Why Damn! damn! over it..

You can use Pirelli tires for the rear,they are the best so far,period!

Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post

I have been using stock tires for 28k kms. Planning to change the front one now and rear one after 30k or 31k kms.

Holy Moly! 30k for stock tvs tires is just too much..You are a brave-man!

**Garry_Menace** · 04-17-2011, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by shivank View Post

So,it was your mistake na? Why Damn! damn! over it..

You can use Pirelli tires for the rear,they are the best so far,period!

That Damn! thingie was my reaction to myself only

... Chill maar... humesha frustu./aggressive kyu rehta hai kaakke

**Garry_Menace** · 04-17-2011, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by abhishekch View Post

it more than a year and finally i managed to hit only 10000km odo on my bike. all in city no touring yet
i know it's very less but i dont get chance to ride more.

any way bike performed very well. it has given me no major issues yet,

just some minor niggles like hiccups & brake squeeling .
but some from some days bike starts to vibrate at 7k rpm.
ones screwed the afr at home and the mileage dropped down but fixed by svc.

fallen two times nothing major happened. given a identification scar at headlight housing.soon changing it.

parts changed yet.
{

both rvm;
foot brake paddel;
both foot pegs of rider and right side of pillion;
rear brake pads changed twice;
rear brake oil topup twice;
engine oil changed 8 times;

}

highest achived top speed is 137.
and 0 to 60 3.6

currently using engine oil;
valvoline 4t premium;

not a single puncher till now, tyres are still in good condition. and will still cover more than 15k.

bike revs quickly and instantly hit 11k mark in no time. any time ready to do 120+.

Mine did 4K+ kms. only in one year

And, head directly to petrol pump the very next time you leave with your bike

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