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I've been out of town for the last couple months and apologize for digging up an old post.
But when a friggin jackass wannabe 'engineer' calls me a jerk for rightfully calling him on his BS, i had to respond.
I'm not sure where mr. junkie got the information from, there is no link posted, but i can post a couple.
NGK Spark Plugs USA
NGK Spark Plugs USAOriginally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post@All
Here's a small excerpt from the NGK site about whether a spark plug can make a engine run hot or cold.
This is to prove about what i had posted here and which was called as BS by some jerk.
5. Heat Range selection
Let's make this really simple: when you need your engine to run a little cooler, run a colder plug. When you need your engine to run a little hotter, run a hotter spark plug. However, NGK strongly cautions people that going
to a hotter spark plug can sometimes mask a serious symptom of another problem that can lead to engine damage. Be very careful with heat ranges. Seek professional guidance if you are unsure.
With modified engines (those engines that have increased their compression) more heat is a by-product of the added power that normally comes with increased compression. In short, select one heat range colder for every 75-100 hp you add, or when you significantly raise compression. Also remember to retard the timing a little and to increase fuel enrichment and octane. These tips are critical when adding forced induction (turbos, superchargers or nitrous kits), and failure to address ALL of these areas
will virtually guarantee engine damage.
An engine that has poor oil control can sometimes mask the symptom temporarily by running a slightly hotter spark plug. While this is a "Band-Aid" approach, it is one of the only examples of when and why one would select
a hotter spark plug.
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not to forget tvs uses IDI Ignition(Inductive Discharge Ignition) not CDI(Capacitor Discharge Ignition)Originally posted by julianpaul View PostNow TVS isn't stupid to launch the bike with the configuration they did, there were many factors that they had to consider
IDI are driven off points which trigger a coil that sends a charge to the spark plug. However, they require exact points and plug gap settings.
this was the majour draw back why manufacturers to move to CDI.
Capacitors in CDI recharge quickly and hence deliver multiple spark at low rpm or strong till 10000 rpm. The CDI has its own drawback, CDI sparks are extremely short in duration and the amount of energy that can be delivered is also limited unlike the IDI which can deliver longer spark.
TVS has opted refined IDI for its apache , employs a variation, micro controller circuit triggers the coil depending on the crank position without needing points. In the process, it generates a 1200 micro seconds (200 -250 micro seconds in other bikes) long spark with 60 milli Joules of energy as seen on some Royal Enfield bikes. Thus with the refined IDI TVS claims apache engine sparks twice as fat and last six times longer than its counterparts.
Now the stock twin electrode plug gap are set for idi. hence changing them to other plug where the gap is affected will generate problem.
I too think a colder plug will only give marginal temp decrease of engine ..................................................
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They would be knowing that. SVC guy only told me about that. Just ask him to check that.Originally posted by saipranav View PostYes, THE RPM doesnt cross 9k(in fact its struggling to cross 8.5k)... forgot to mention that...
No... i have not fiddled with the jets or the carb settings... and as for the carb settings... the ASC guy changed it yesterday...
@abhi46... never heard of that kind of prob... can you tell me what i should ask the ASC guy to do regarding this... i dont think he will understand diaphragm because these people say pharak instead of fork... and are totally illitrate... and god damn lazy...
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@dead_piperOriginally posted by Abhii46 View PostThey would be knowing that. SVC guy only told me about that. Just ask him to check that.
I took my bike to highway just to re confirm whether if my bike is really not crossing 8k rpm... along with another xbhpian...
i realized that the condition is even more worse...
when i took it to a mechanic, he said there might be some problem with the coil's/electricals and suggested me to go to a mechanic who deals with such stuff... i decided to go to ASC once and went to him and explained everything... i asked him to keep the bike in neutral and raise it to 8k rpm... he raised it till 12k rpm and kept it like that for a minute... i got scared... but he understood the problem and said that the valves are leaking or something when the bike crosses 8k rpm and he needs to open the engine totally... he said he is busy today and tomorrow and asked me to bring it on monday morning and get the job done...
I hope ill get my bike done... sad thing is i might have to bunk college on monday...Apache 180
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12k rpm for a full minuteOriginally posted by saipranav View Post@dead_piper
I took my bike to highway just to re confirm whether if my bike is really not crossing 8k rpm... along with another xbhpian...
i realized that the condition is even more worse...
when i took it to a mechanic, he said there might be some problem with the coil's/electricals and suggested me to go to a mechanic who deals with such stuff... i decided to go to ASC once and went to him and explained everything... i asked him to keep the bike in neutral and raise it to 8k rpm... he raised it till 12k rpm and kept it like that for a minute... i got scared... but he understood the problem and said that the valves are leaking or something when the bike crosses 8k rpm and he needs to open the engine totally... he said he is busy today and tomorrow and asked me to bring it on monday morning and get the job done...
I hope ill get my bike done... sad thing is i might have to bunk college on monday...

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Reading this makes me feel like I don't really care about doing a proper running-inOriginally posted by vineshp View PostMy ride's ODO is now 275 Kms.For run-in, I can't care much when riding in city. So, in weekends,I am taking the bike to highways and starting from 1st gear, rev up smoothly till 4k RPM, then shift to next gear and repeat till 5th gear-4K RPM. Then reduce RPM,down shift at 2k to lower gear and repeat this. Also I vary RPM in every gear i.e increase/decrease in 2k-4k range. The idea being to run in all gear/rpm. Is this good? Please share your views.
Not that I drive rashly or do sudden acceleration/deceleration but during daily city ride, its hard to maintain correct engine speed.
I think I too should be taking the bike to highways for completing a proper running-in
BTW my odo reading is just 200+ kms
Anyway keep up the good work bro
That's a hell lot of touring and absolute caringOriginally posted by dead_piper View Postyeah its been pretty long. in the mean time i did a bangalore-ooty run, bangalore-anantpur run, bangalore-hosreley hills run, bangalore-kanva run. planning for pondy,coorg and kodachadri in next couple of months. :P
19000 kms - one year 3 months - loads of touring - rear tire change - plug change. bike stills runs as good as new.
You have set the standards and made it very difficult for us new owners. Envy you
"Safety doesn't happen by accident"
"Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebars to the saddle"
Regards,
Muhammed Saleem P
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TVS Apache RTR 180 ABS (Sep 2011-Present)
Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme (Jan 2011-Present)
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Freaking jackass and a moron !!Read the quote before opening your big fat mouth!!Originally posted by julianpaul View PostI'm not sure where mr. junkie got the information from, there is no link posted, but i can post a couple.
NGK Spark Plugs USA
NGK Spark Plugs USA
Get your facts right,i also know what cools a IC engine.So no need to educate me on that !! The spark plug transfers a part of the heat from the combustion chamber to the cylinder and from there the LC or the cooling fins cool the engine.As you yourself have admitted above.Read a bit about spark plug designs.Now coming to the quotes,from the so called "internet expert" i believe NGK has more knowledge than a freakin jackass like you!!Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 09-16-2011, 05:32 PM.Life begins, once you hit the power band !!
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there's nobody setting any standards here...Originally posted by muhammedsalimp View PostReading this makes me feel like I don't really care about doing a proper running-in
Not that I drive rashly or do sudden acceleration/deceleration but during daily city ride, its hard to maintain correct engine speed.
I think I too should be taking the bike to highways for completing a proper running-in
BTW my odo reading is just 200+ kms
Anyway keep up the good work bro
That's a hell lot of touring and absolute caring
You have set the standards and made it very difficult for us new owners. Envy you
there was/is a reason why i brought the ride. why i tour. why i do the things i do. why i see things in a different view. theres a write up coming soon on all these.:P and i just proved myself that this is a good bike even for touring.
and i forgot to mention spark plug change, 2 disc change + disc pad change...
and jixxer :P the beginning lines pretty hilarious
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yup..understood bro..I was just mentioning about maintaining the ride in perfect condition even after such long trips.Originally posted by dead_piper View Postthere's nobody setting any standards here...
there was/is a reason why i brought the ride. why i tour. why i do the things i do. why i see things in a different view.
Eagerly waiting for the trip logsOriginally posted by dead_piper View Posttheres a write up coming soon on all these.:P"Safety doesn't happen by accident"
"Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebars to the saddle"
Regards,
Muhammed Saleem P
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TVS Apache RTR 180 ABS (Sep 2011-Present)
Hero Honda CBZ Xtreme (Jan 2011-Present)
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First things first, I haven't been able to ride my bike for the past 3 days cuz I've been very badly affected by Malaria
I thought I'd start it a bit and just take a short ride to see if everything was working fine but something weird seems to have happened... It's vibrating a LOT now. Even my friends who rode it yesterday told me they felt a drastic change in the bike's behaviour today.
I wonder what happened.sigpic
Riding the 2K11 RTR 180 ABS and loving it.
Die Hard Bike Fanatic. Period.
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get well soon bro.. the RTR is waiting for you!Originally posted by aamirjamal View PostFirst things first, I haven't been able to ride my bike for the past 3 days cuz I've been very badly affected by Malaria
I thought I'd start it a bit and just take a short ride to see if everything was working fine but something weird seems to have happened... It's vibrating a LOT now. Even my friends who rode it yesterday told me they felt a drastic change in the bike's behaviour today.
I wonder what happened.
for BOLD part: try this- have you checked the idle RPM? check if it is indeed on 1.4k rpm
me too!Originally posted by muhammedsalimp View PostEagerly waiting for the trip logsGrip. Twist. Ride-with Menacingly FAST Apache 180 ABS!
TVS Apache 180 ABS (Sep 2011-)
Yamaha Libero LX (Feb 2006-Sep 2011) sold
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You're such a dumbass, you don't even understand what i wrote eh? I said that you're the one behaving like an internet expert, claiming unsubstantiated crap and quoting stuff without a link even. I posted two links from NGK, and nowhere has anyone claimed that simply switching to a colder plug will cool your engine down. You seem to have an obsession with spark plugs, going over your posts on this forum, probably because that's the only thing you know how to replace in your bike!Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View PostFreaking jackass and a moron !!Read the quote before opening your big fat mouth!!
Get your facts right,i also know what cools a IC engine.So no need to educate me on that !! The spark plug transfers a part of the heat from the combustion chamber to the cylinder and from there the LC or the cooling fins cool the engine.As you yourself have admitted above.Read a bit about spark plug designs.Now coming to the quotes,from the so called "internet expert" i believe NGK has more knowledge than a freakin jackass like you!!
Again, stop your blah-blah and post proof that your colder plug theory actually cools down the engine. Wannabe idiot!
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