Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion


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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Today saw this Splendor i3s at a Hero Showroom.
Notice the split grab rail, aluminium foot pegs, wide tank, wide seat, service indicator in instrument cluster,i3s indication light, handle bar end weights etc.
IMO, they should have given this bike a totally different name.

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@sibun [MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION] thanks for your replies some of the suggestions are really helpful.

I started analyzing the front wheel, some insights.

The front brake cam, consider the red portion of it as CAM and the yellow portion as shank.
Notice the wear marks on the shaft portion, large load of normal force of brake shoe and no greasing is attributed for that wear I think.


Also notice the high wear of CAM, this may be attributed to very rough surface of the brake liners where the CAM is in contact with liners
(see red portion on old brake liners below). Trucks have S-cam with rollers on the liners for smooth sliding motion.

Now I feel that rough surface(red portion) on my old brake liners and wear of the brake CAM is the reason why my brakes will not disengage
when I release the brake lever, i.e brake lever get stuck and I have to push it back to disengage.
You can see the difference in the webbing design of old and new brake liners.


I see that the center distance between spring mounting is changed on the new brake liners, what to do?
I enquired for new brake CAM and front Dust seal in many spare parts shop, they give expression which meaning "does anyone stock this items (you stupid)".
This is the condition of dust seal. Does it need replacement?


This is the condition of Bearings, they are still original, and they are fine except some small radial play.
Any way brought new OE bearings(single side sealed, not the best i think, should have consulted with you).

Next week taking the wheels and front shock absorbers to as specialist shop which does work on Rims, shock absorbers and wheel balancing from past 20 years.

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Hello All,
I have been following these threads for the past 1.5 year and finally here, Many thanks Raneet & XBHP for getting me here.

I have a HH Splendor 2003 Model and have the below mods in mind.

1) Light Upgrade to 90/100 (just wanted to know if any one has tried with out any issues to wiring) & its requirements.
a) with any of the Autopal Four wheeler's Metal reflectors [HL-106 H4 or HL-106 H4 MSR M or HL-106 H4 COM E (Swaraj Mazda Truck) or HL-106 H4 SP MSR M (Massey Feguson/ Tafe Tractor)] for a better through & beam as well this can hold & lock the H4 bulbs.
b) H4 90/100 or H4 55/60 into a HS1 Ceramic holders.
c) Do I need to replace the regulator/rectifier if I upgrade the coil & magnet recharging. currently running the bike replacing the battery with 4700MU capacitor.

2) Bigger brake at the rear (passion brake for Splendor for better braking) Mechanic has quoted me Rs 900.


Thanks & Regards,
Srinivas

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

This joy CDI pin diagram is exactly same as mine.

Welcome to the gang of xbhp 
Coming to your questing. I'm sorry to that you/we or anyone cant upgrade to even 60/55w, because the stator cant produce too much power to feed 60w bulb. Even if you do rewinding still you cant. A very little improvement will found, this is such because the power of magnet is constant. Right. So if rewinding is done then you would need a bigger magnet to produce more power but unfortunately you wont find it.
More info can on this can be given my [MENTION=43108]shoeb2015[/MENTION] & [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION].

All I/we can suggest you is to change the meter lights which runs on AC to led. Also disconnect the 5w taillight from AC and connect to DC along with your leds. Change reflector if its gone bad. This modification will bring a lot improvement in light output. Also if you want more then change the bulb to HS1 Philips or Osram Silverstar both are good (check my signature down below and you find the link). Also buy a regulator of bullet machismo and change it. It just a regulator not rectifier, your rectifier to charge the battery will remain the same OE. Then when you will see the output, you will love it. Everyone in your friend circle will be amazed. The output will surely blind the oncoming traffic.

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Right ! The path hero is taking with model upgrades is a wrong in my book . They are just upgrading the appearance of the bikes to match current market trends without adding any value or much missed functionalities . Splendor buyers aren't the ones dying for bar-end weights and Al footpegs . Splendor is already a cool looking bike , always have been so . At most they should re-introduce some of the old colours it was available in - like blue , green and silver . With the weak magneto we have we need fully electronic wiring harness ( transistorised ignition , RR and flasher ) and LEDs in flashers , backlight , brakelights , meter console light , parking light . Added focus and strength in the headlight , keeping same wattage . Better quality rear shock absorbers like those that came with older Splendors . Tapered roller bearings in the steering cone-set . Roller bearings in the swingarm pivots . Better service centers etc , I could not care less about cast alloy wheels .

Good job ! Check out this old post which is on this same topic - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post887366

Your brake cams looks different than mine , they have spiral grooves to retain grease for lubrication . nice ! mine just have one large central depression . Wear on cam is still fine - it is perfectly usable with a bit cleaning , sanding and a touch of grease . Lubricate brake cable , rods , pivots and hand-lever pivot . Replace the return springs on both rear & front brake .

The spring mounting distance is not changed ! You are comparing rear brake shoes with front shoes . The rear is 110mm and front is 130mm and so have different springs front & rear on the newer Splendors . Old Splendors have same size & type 110mm shoes both front & rear . Be mindful to buy the correct ones for your bike - shopkeepers often mistakes the old and new parts .

The new brake shoes you got is not OE hero parts , atleast not the current type . Current OE brake shoes are non-asbestos type ( avoid ) , almost black in the friction pad . These look like asbestos type . If OE they are very old stock , which is great . Else buy only ASK or ANL asbestos type shoes .

Your wheel bearings are not fine - they are heavily contaminated and quite worn . Definitely replace all bearings , new bearings are cheap . Seized bearings are very expensive . OE ones are ok , single side sealed is ok too - the side facing the inside doesn't need a seal and you can re-grease a single side sealed easier ( without removing from wheel ) . Both side sealed bearings are almost impossible to re-grease once installed in the wheel - since fresh grease cannot ooze out on the other side . Replace the rear wheel cush-drive rubbers ( the rubber blocks inside the hub ) .

That black rubber ring isn't only a dust seal , it is a water-seal and oil-seal too . It prevents water ingress into the wheel bearings and speedo-worm thru the brake drum . It prevents wheel bearing's and speedo-worm grease from getting onto the brake shoes when warm . Replacement would be good if you can find the part ( I have tried unsuccessfully too ) - and Oh the reason I tried to buy one is I managed to slip out the thin spring that is inside the seal - rendering it useless . So be careful about this - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post887738

As Paul has already said , you cannot upgrade the lights like that . Better reflector is a good idea - but have to find something that fits right . If you can convert the parking lamp , turn flashers , meter console lamps , backlight and brakelight to LEDs the headlamp shall glow much much better IMHO .

Please please show me how you managed to use a capacitor in place of the battery ??!! That's a darn good idea !

Passion's rear brake is of the same size - 110mm . So no upgrade ( btw, rap the mech that told you that ) . Super splendor's rear is 130mm .
What I once tried to find if I could fit the Yamaha-Crux rear drum brake at the rear - that is 130mm , and has excellent braking action . But that would entail changing the spokes-set , central brake drum , brake shoes , cam mechanism , brake-drum rods , stay rod at least . Maybe the axle and bearings arrangement too - if yamaha uses a different size than hero - I dunno . So I just serviced the brakes real good myself and replaced the brake shoes with old asbestos type shoes (ASK) and am riding satisfactorily yet .

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Thanks for the update Paul & Pinaki.
[MENTION=6724]Paul[/MENTION]: Is rectifier & regulator different parts or 2-in-1. [MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION]: Super splendor's rear is 130mm and fit the brake shoes with old asbestos type shoes to it.

Sibun & Shoeb: Need your inputs if there is any chance to fit 90/100 on HH Splendor
I wonder How this guy in the link below could charge his HH magnet to get more power. Is this not possible/not recommended.
HERO HONDA SPLENDOR PLUS - Review - REVIEW AFTER 42THOUSAND KMS CLOCKED IN SPLENDOR + - MouthShut.com - MouthShut.com


Regards,
Sri

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You can see that on that mouthshut post you pointed to , that I asked that guy to explain the mod in mid-2012 , no answers yet . My id on mouthshut is PinakiP . And I don't think he is telling the truth . The only way to increase headlamp brightness on Splendors with old coil is to replace all other lights with LEDs . That way all the juice from magneto light coil shall be routed to the headlamp only . Also replacing the headlamp with CD-Dawn's large round headlamp would be a huge improvement - round headlamps always focus better & are more adjustable - I feel .

Replacing magneto/coil or rewinding may have other undesirable effects - remember that the source of all power is the engine . So drawing out more electrical power from it by any means ultimately puts load on the engine . No ?
Please tell me how you used capacitor in place of the battery - sounds very interesting to me .

Rectifier & Regulator is the same part - in the form of a small black matchbox bolted to the frame under the seat . It has cooling fins on it .

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Let me add here that the wear on cam is normal and nothing to worry as my bike also cam has been changed once. While you are checking the cam check the hole in the drum plate where the cam goes, and see for ovality. If it is oval then change the drum plate along with Cam. And who said cam is not separately available, as each and every item of Hero is available apparently.Trucks have roller on their cam as the braking force is greater so the rollers are present. On bikes nothing is required. For the webbing design nothing to worry as new liners will ft fine. Regarding spring mounting point then nothing to worry as get new brake return spring and it will cause no problems in bike.For bearings change that immediately and if possible get FAG bearings. They are the best when it comes to wheel bearings.Sorry to say but 100/90 watts on splendor is not possible. Even Karizma with its three phase wiring will break a sweat to power 100/90 bulb.Splendors inbetween 2000-2004 have a little less light than other models. Already paul has said a lot and his post is quite informative so will not say much. If you have doubts on specific portion then ask and i will reply.The magnet is splendor is weak and nothing can be done to increase power in it. As for the capacitor then change it and fit a battery as with battery bike will give more light than without battery, have tested it already.Sorry to reply here but most of upgrades have already been done by Hero in Splendor Pro and NXG.Engine has been re-tuned for more power and torque.As for transistorized ignition then in pro and NXG ignition is by DC CDI and thus battery powers the Ignition and thus current is constant at low rpms.The Magnets and coil base has been upgraded in pro and nxg as they have magnets like extreme and have 8 pole stator. Since there is no excitor coil so all the 8 poles supply electricity.The reflector in splendor is very sharp and feels well focused. As for the light then my fathers splendor pro which have the upgrade stator has very bright light and light glows at full power at as low as 1800 rpm.For taper bearings in cone-set then the pro series have cone-set like in glamor bigger racer with the balls mounted on the plastic cage and the bulb do not rest on racer but are palced angularily which doesn't put pressure on balls and racers. So these last long and have free movement. So most of the upgrades have already been done by hero prior in PRO series and even Pro series have TPS in the throttle to change ignition map.

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@Pinaki: I did notice your comments on MouthShut. Even my mech says the same funda of charging the magnet & coil rewinding with thick guage of wire. Anyways I'll modify only after taking specs from the experts from this site (You & Others).
Reg CD-Dawns, I have done on couple of my friends vehicles and the pulsar one with tat ace reflectors on another in the last one year (thanks to every one who posted the mod on this site).

BTW Can I get 1W LED for all the replacement except headlamp and if the juice is not sufficient for tall/rear, I think they will blow off, Is it the same case with LED too.
Allied Electronics on Hosur Road, have promised to give me a readymade coil & RR for 55/60 lamp.

Reg Capacitor (I uploaded the pic yesterday which jammed the thread i guess, will PM the pic), just disconnect the battery & connect this. It will start working for horn/indicators only from Mid RPM's not at low RPM's (very popular funda in rural India and not recommended for Senior Citizens at all).

@ Sibun : Even one of the mech commented that there will be an issue if we run too long on capacitor instead of battery.

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@Pinaki: I did notice your comments on MouthShut. Even my mech says the same funda of charging the magnet & coil rewinding with thick guage of wire. Anyways I'll modify only after taking specs from the experts from this site (You & Others).
Reg CD-Dawns, I have done on couple of my friends vehicles and the pulsar one with tat ace reflectors on another in the last one year (thanks to every one who posted the mod on this site).

BTW Can I get 1W LED for all the replacement except headlamp and if the juice is not sufficient for tall/rear, I think they will blow off, Is it the same case with LED too.
Allied Electronics on Hosur Road, have promised to give me a readymade coil & RR for 55/60 lamp.

Reg Capacitor (I uploaded the pic yesterday which jammed the thread i guess, will PM the pic), just disconnect the battery & connect this. It will start working for horn/indicators only from Mid RPM's not at low RPM's (very popular funda in rural India and not recommended for Senior Citizens at all).

@ Sibun : Even one of the mech commented that there will be an issue if we run too long on capacitor instead of battery.

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Replaced dirty air filter elements (left) with clean one , freshly oiled with 90w . After 9 months and 3500 kilo of use .

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Sir, a query.
Last week I was getting my bike washed and there was also a splendor getting serviced. Its air filter was really really dirty and I asked the owner to get it changed as it won't allow air to flow properly. The mechanic heard this and said these things are not to be changed in these bikes. He just tapped it a few times and put it back.
Is that ture ? I know these bike are like carefree, but still.

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Well said bro!!! :thumbup::thumbup:
Even though i own a 200ns i still love riding my 7 year old splendour...
And yes when it comes pulling nothing beats the butter smooth pulling power the splendour...
And in my case i was ridiculed in my college about my bike.. n it was tagged as 'uncle logo ka gaddi'.. :-P

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@ nadz11.ns
Well , if the bike has oiled-foam type airfilter , it should be serviced around every 3000 kms (hero says 2000 kms) . I have already posted on how to do this type on this thread only . Please click - http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...passion-9.html. Properly maintained foam airfilter can be reused many many times , replacement required only when the filter media (foam) is physically deteriorated . ..i.e years and years .

If the bike has dry paper element airfilter , like the new Splendor-Pro or Super-Splendor models , the filter is to be replaced every 10000 kms . Tinkering is not recommenced . At most you can take it out carefully and tap it on the floor to dislodge some external dust and blow with compressed air keeping a distance of 6 inches at least from the filter media surface and blowing from inside out - i.e from clean inner side only . Never let it contact moisture or oil .

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[MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION] sir, thanks for the explaination.
I think that bike was older model and the filter was dry type. Thats why he tapped a few times and done