Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

@ Sibun, @ Soebe, @ Pinaki all of you have EARNED your respect through Knowledge, Sharing and your kindly disposition in helping members with correct data...So for us you will be "Sir " or "Ji" always.

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Thank you so much Mr.Sibun. You are all elder than me, and i feel uncomfortable by using your names. I remember that Mr.Sibun sir was 23 years old when this thread began. I am 23 now only. I surely will ask you a lot of doubts. Now, due to excitement, no doubt is arising. There is still a big demand for the 100cc bikes from hero. I went to renew my insurance today and saw a splendor-i-smart and a splendor pro being delivered. Passion plus was my very best favourite bike (dark red with black alloys), but when i went to book it, the production was stopped!. So i bought this passion pro and fell in love with it when i rode it for the first time. That photo was taken when i was riding from Tiruvannamalai to pondycherry to attend a workshop. (Am from Tamil Nadu).The road is NH 45. Wow, its really great that your joy can ride equally with rtr 180. even though your joy has clocked above 2.5 lakh kms at that time. This is something that i have never heard before. Some moments are there to be cherished always. Isnt it? I know hindi only 1% but i am able to understand a little what your friend told you. Let me try to translate "friend, i respect your bike. It is a great thing if your bike cruises at 70 to 80 kmph, but it has cruised at 100kmph for 30 long minutes and has'nt shown any sign of stress" Is it what he told you?!Those scratches are the free gifts that i got during my 2nd free service. When i asked about it, the mechanic told me "I dont know sir". I did not like arguing with him and returned home. Other than this, you cannot find any other scratches or rust in my little passion pro!! That picture was taken today.

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Free gifts called 'scratches'!!

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Very well maintained PMagic, very good

Very warm welcome Jeswin, we hope you will enjoy talking with us.

Once again this thread is getting active...

Being inactive I feel like I am being separated from this thread... also from minds of some people.

Reading this also remind me my days of riding...
I'm feeling jealous of you all ...I am damn missing my bike riding and DIY's..
Its been soo many days i havent heard the sound of my engine., haven't smell the exhaust, haven't touched the engine oil, haven't smell the grease. You may be thinking what I am saying am I mad? Probably yes i think.., i am saying because i am missing being away so far from those things..


You are welcome to ask as many question as you want. When I was new in this thread i also did ask lot of questions. I was numb when joined, but after few months became so technically sound that i coudnt even imagine that I ever could be.. I am not saying i became expert but earned a lot compared to what i was before..this is just my beginning., there is lot more more things yet to learn.

I am sure you will find answers to all your questions here, then you anywhere can.(your effort is also very important).. this is not just a best forum for biking, but the person we ever have with us.. and the person is one and only [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] (who had made this thread alive)
shoeb, pinaki, I and others are just a followers of him...

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Thank you so much Paul sir. It surely will be a healthy discussion and i will be able to learn a lot of biking 'practical knowledge' from you people. I shall post here on every friday, saturday and sunday, since the mobile networks near our college provide us a very slow internet. During weekdays, i shall read the pages which i have not read before. okay..! Time for you all to help me. I have a problem with the electric starter motor (i am technically a beginner, so kindly bear with me). When the engine is cold, say, in the morning, the bike starts very easily in a single press for less than a second. When the engine gets heated up when ridden about 20+ kms and when is is started again, the motor only rotates. The engine never responds. Sometimes, strange noises like all the gears and flywheel are fighting with each other could be heard. So i use the kicker all the time except mornings. This starter problem happens twice in 5 times. What could be the problem? Help me please

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With Dr Watson's DIY to guide me , I finally dismantled the front shocks this weekend , starting the work yesterday (saturday aft-noon) and finished today evening . Being such a slowpoke mechanic I finished the work right about now today (sunday) , and I serviced the front brake system and re-greased the wheel bearings and speedometer gears in there too - oh heck , since the wheel was already open . This is the first time front fork oil replaced in my 2010 Splendor+ (3.5 years) and the first time in life I ever ventured into this tricky job by myself . Hopefully I shall be quicker the next time and take more pics . Aching all over now . Thanks to Paul for your DIY and all of you for constant encouragement .



All these came out of each fork stanchion and had to be cleaned up .



Learned to take out the old oil seals and put in these new ones . Used a tyre lever to get the old ones out .



Poured exactly 160 ml of this oil down each stem .. hope that's the correct measure for Splendors ( Shoeb ? ) .



And brother Shibun - you were wrong about the old oil being like ghee . The stuff was totally watery , black and smelling like dead rat , not good ghee at all - don't know how petroleum based oil can rot like this .

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Grate,

Can we make our own DIY guide.

Like there is one guide for cleaning air filter, Cleaning carburator do & not to do.

Similarly experienced senior members can make so thing like Workshop manual. It if some pictures are included It will help new members like us.

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Ok scratches happen and nothing to worry, not a major scratch.

And remove that cover on tank as it will fade the color. Those are very bad for paint surface.
Although partially you have understood but the actual meaning is like this:- " Man hats of to your bike as for the yesterday we both went 210 kms at an average speed of 70-80 kph and today in this heat bike is running at 100 kph for 30 mins hats of to it".

Ya i am growing older and now at 25 years. Now my bike is at 3.5 lacs kilometers.

Nothing to be worried as one day again you will meet your bike. I know how it feels to miss your ride, i feel the same.

And man i am no encyclopedia nor i am leader or you are my followers, its just that we are friends and i love to help others.

And you really hurt my heart when you said we have forgotten you. Man we always wish that you remain online. Sometimes i think of calling you but since you are stressed with work, i do not call you as it will disturb your resting time.

For your problem open the magnet starting mechanism. These bike have chain pulley in starting motor and thus have a clutch like CVT clutches. Check those and change the clutch shoes of starting mechanism with springs. Your problem will be solved.

If the motor rotates but engine doesn't start check the air mixture set up as it will be running rich or the air filter will be dirty.


@all-

My bike was showing problem of current from the last three weeks. Bike will suddenly switch off and current will not be there to spark, then suddenly current will come and the spark will be very strong.

My mechanic and i would do everything but the problem remained.

We checked by:-
1. Changing excitor coil,
2. Changing CDI,
3. Changing power coil,
4. Changing pulsar coil and still the problem occurred.

The problem was that i was going only on weekends and thus it was not possible. I was very sad as what was the problem that we cannot pick.I was so sad that i stopped talking and was always thinking about the problem.

Then on Saraswati puja day i gave the bike to mechanic and said to properly check as i left the bike for four days with him and will get the bike on saturday when i return.

Even my mechanic was tensed as he know how much i love the bike.

Then the next day a passion came for engine work and his coil and magnet was same make as mine. So what my mechanic did was used his magnet and same problem. Then he used the coil plate and voila the problem is gone and bike runs like new.

Now he is one mad fellow. If it would have been other mechanic he would have changed the coil base but my mechanic decided to find the fault and upon further research he found that the earthing of pick up coil which was riveted to the coil plate was loose. He just cut off the earthing and instead gave the earthing with a clip to the excitor coil earthing.

All problems gone.

Next he just cleaned the carburettor and re-tuned the bike and thoroughly washed the bike.

Now bike feels like i am riding a new bike, so damn smooth and pulls like crazy. Leave the clutch slightly haphazard and bike lifts the front.

Lack of time was the main cause of the problem not getting solved. Small problem makes us go crazy.

On saturday when i bought the bike from mechanic the conversation is as follows:-

ME- Is the bike ready and current ok?

HE- Now just touch the kick and bike will spark and gives more current than your DC CDI of extreme.

ME- Ok thats good. By the way after i cleaned the jets of extreme and you tuned the carb of extreme, the bike is pulling like crazy.

HE- your both bikes pulls like crazy.Even your Joy pulls like no tomorrow and in these four days i had kept my bike and was ridding your bike. More than a couple of times i have touched 100 kph.

That saturday while returning with my bike i stopped near air port to feel the calmness and loneness of night.

Some photos:-
The airport at distance:


Bike parked with indicator on (rear indicator):-

Front indicator.





Also did a minor overhaul of pleasure will post in my next post.

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Marked improvement in front fork behaviour after oil + seal change . It just soaks up speed-breakers without even a tick noise or bounce . So 160ml of oil in each leg that shoeb suggested was just right I guess - anyone has the exact workshop manual recommendation on this ? Does hero sell any fork oil themselves ? what do they use in their service stations ?
But the front brakes have gone soft , earlier it was biting like discs - I must have messed up the brake job - gonna go at both wheel brakes again this sunday myself .

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Yes, 160ml is the right amount if the fork is overhauled else 150ml is enough.

Just center the brakes and wait for a week. I have noticed the asbestos type brake-shoes to lose the bite for a few days when the the drums/shoes are cleaned. Apparently, that brake dust increase the bite.......

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Yeah , I've noticed that earlier too - not the dust , I think the brake shoe faces need to develop an initial glaze to get working like before after a sanding , Well I gotta wait untill a free weekend at least anyway .

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You guys will never forgot me I know, I talked about guys who are not on this thread but on others.

And as far as job stress is concerned it had reduced a lot. Its not reduced by them but my knowledge on the process is increased. The good thing is I'm doing good compare to most of the people. I'm not able to achieve targets but I'm delivering higher quality than anyone else and that's they want at the most.

Hats off to your mechanic. No one will ever find the mechanic like yours who is willing to go so far to find the cause to the problem.
Almost all mechanic either would change the whole unit or would give up.

Sometime these types of problems screwed you up but, when you do everything to find the cause to the problem gain the experience and at the end also increase the love for your bike.

Good to know your problem is solved.
After all no matter how big or small the problem is... the way we are willing to go so far, I don't think any problem can hide from us the way we do so deep investigation

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That is the pipe from the secondary air-induction valve going into the exhaust port - it mixes fresh air from air-box into the exhaust gasses to reduce CO emissions . CD dawn doesn't have it , good riddance - don't worry about it , I don't like the contraption anyway .

Stop using nulon or any other engine oil additives . Buy a battery instead . SF sonic is good and cheap .

To remove reluctant screws of the centrifugal-filter's cover you'd need an impact driver . Better to get it done from an Hero service center - I have done this and they didn't charge much for this job .

While removing gasket with sharp blade , other than your hand be VERY VERY careful as to not scratch or score the metal mating surfaces ( not a single scratch ! ). I wet the gasket with kerosene or acetone for sometime before .

There would be no problem with replacing the battery with a capacitor I guess , if you could find a capacitor of same capacity as the battery and that fits in there - which is not the case . So the tiny caps you're using cannot emulate the battery and is likely to give you various trouble .

For start/idle problems try cleaning out the carb and fuel tank . Clean all electrical contacts and check the plug-cap for corrosion or rust inside it . Your fuel mileage is just fine .[/QUOTE]

Dear Pinaki,

I tired below.
1. New spark plug found to be loose probably not tightened. Tightened again.
2. Carburetor cleaned.

Problem still faced. even after driving motorcycle for 10km & when i am standing at signal with bike on let say signal is for 70 sec. Bike is on on idealing for 60 sec. If i see around 10 sec balance to turn signal green at countdown, I increase accelerator little bit before pressing clutch & engaging gear. And bike is off. I again need to kick the bike. This is repeating many days.

Please suggest solution.

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The carburettor may need to be tuned . And I am not very good at that , so others shall chip in on this please .

Check spark strength . Check plug-cap for rust & corrosion .

Don't go on force tightening spark plugs and oil drain bolts . After removing the plug , clean up the threads on both plug & engine head with some solvent . Put a drop of fresh oil on the plug threads . Hand tighten the plug into the hole until it is snug seat . Then tighten the plug another 1/8 to 1/4 of a turn with #16 wrench ( this is for a used plug , for new plug it's 1/2 of a turn - because of the uncompressed aluminium ring on it ) . Thats it .

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Look what we do here is asumptions, based on what you wrote here. Real senario may be a totally different. So for a best result, post a pic of your spark plug so we can indentify what's going inside your engine's conbustion area.

As of now if I predict. You have kept your ideal tune too low.
What you should do, when your engine is warm, pull the clutch, put your bike in gear then adjust the ideal tuning. Once u see it won't stall. Put it in nuteral and release the clutch.
I hope this may help.

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Dear Paul

PFA photos of spark plug it is NGK CR6

I will try to clean carburetor again tomorrow