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  • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

    I wanted to post this since a very long time. Also, with Paul being inactive on this thread, that enthusiasm and eagerness to post has lost somewhere.


    Dated October 2013

    No major work or a proper service was carried out on my splendor this year.
    All it wanted was timely oil change and chain lubrication. It did not require even a brake or chain adjustment in the last 7K kms.
    I was washing the bike only once a month along with my xtreme and polished it whenever necessary. It was a routine fill it,shut it, forget it.

    One fine day, I received a parcel from sibun, it had two Osram silverstar bulbs, a DID timing chain and a handwritten letter(more on that later) .

    I get some free time on a weekend and I decide to install the timing chain.

    Spares


    Few tools




    Oil is drained


    Magneto bolt is removed



    Magneto being pulled using a magneto puller.




    It was a pain to remove these two screws.







    New timing chain installed .


    Everything goes well and when the repair is finished, I take it for a test ride but the bike refuses to accelerate well, there is some hesitation in 2000 to 6000 RPM range.
    I return back home, remove the timing cover and check the timing marks.

    I then called sibun and he suggested me to check the timing once again, timing was right so I call him back again. We then discussed various possibilities- I get the carb cleaned, air screw replaced,insulator o-rings replaced , ignition coil and what not.
    This goes on for a few days and the problem remained unsolved.

    One night when I was going to sleep, I was wondering what it could be, what all happened with my bike and then I suddenly recollect that advancing the timing brought back the low end torque. This was the major hint that it is a ignition related issue, due to weak spark, the air fuel mixture was not getting enough time and spark to burn completely.

    • Intake event begins sooner
    • Intake valve Opens sooner
    • More low-end torque is produced
    • Piston-to-intake-valve clearance decreases
    • Piston-to-exhaust-valve clearance increases

    • Intake event is delayed
    • Intake valve opens later
    • More high-end power is produced
    • Piston-to-intake-valve clearance increases
    • Piston-to-exhaust-valve clearance decreases
    I took my DMM & torch, and went downstairs where my bike is parked, I check the resistance of the coil and find it to be out of specifications.
    Next day I call sibun and narrate everything and he confirms that it is the excitor coil.

    It took almost a week to find out a genuine excitor coil.

    Here are few graphs of the spark energy vs RPM for Splendor. (Source- Respective OEM's brochure )









    It is clearly evident from the graph that peak voltage, spark and duration is in 2000 -5000 RPM range, exactly where I was facing problem.

    These are the part numbers for the exciter coil used in splendor. Splendor came with the generator assembly(magneto, stator coil,excitor coil) supplied by three vendors ie. ND, JHI and IN. At the time of replacing individual parts, they must be matched as parts of different vendors cannot be swapped .

    31121-198-303 COIL, EXCITER (ND) (My splendor had ND- Nippon Denso)
    31121-198-902 COIL, EXCITER (JHI)
    31121-198-905 COIL, EXCITER (IN)









    PS- Thanks a lot Sibun for your timely help as always.

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    • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

      Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
      I wanted to post this since a very long time. Also, with Paul being inactive on this thread, that enthusiasm and eagerness to post has lost somewhere.


      Dated October 2013

      No major work or a proper service was carried out on my splendor this year.
      All it wanted was timely oil change and chain lubrication. It did not require even a brake or chain adjustment in the last 7K kms.
      I was washing the bike only once a month along with my xtreme and polished it whenever necessary. It was a routine fill it,shut it, forget it.

      One fine day, I received a parcel from sibun, it had two Osram silverstar bulbs, a DID timing chain and a handwritten letter(more on that later) .

      I get some free time on a weekend and I decide to install the timing chain.

      Spares


      Few tools




      Oil is drained


      Magneto bolt is removed



      Magneto being pulled using a magneto puller.




      It was a pain to remove these two screws.







      New timing chain installed .


      Everything goes well and when the repair is finished, I take it for a test ride but the bike refuses to accelerate well, there is some hesitation in 2000 to 6000 RPM range.
      I return back home, remove the timing cover and check the timing marks.

      I then called sibun and he suggested me to check the timing once again, timing was right so I call him back again. We then discussed various possibilities- I get the carb cleaned, air screw replaced,insulator o-rings replaced , ignition coil and what not.
      This goes on for a few days and the problem remained unsolved.

      One night when I was going to sleep, I was wondering what it could be, what all happened with my bike and then I suddenly recollect that advancing the timing brought back the low end torque. This was the major hint that it is a ignition related issue, due to weak spark, the air fuel mixture was not getting enough time and spark to burn completely.

      • Intake event begins sooner
      • Intake valve Opens sooner
      • More low-end torque is produced
      • Piston-to-intake-valve clearance decreases
      • Piston-to-exhaust-valve clearance increases

      • Intake event is delayed
      • Intake valve opens later
      • More high-end power is produced
      • Piston-to-intake-valve clearance increases
      • Piston-to-exhaust-valve clearance decreases
      I took my DMM & torch, and went downstairs where my bike is parked, I check the resistance of the coil and find it to be out of specifications.
      Next day I call sibun and narrate everything and he confirms that it is the excitor coil.

      It took almost a week to find out a genuine excitor coil.

      Here are few graphs of the spark energy vs RPM for Splendor. (Source- Respective OEM's brochure )









      It is clearly evident from the graph that peak voltage, spark and duration is in 2000 -5000 RPM range, exactly where I was facing problem.

      These are the part numbers for the exciter coil used in splendor. Splendor came with the generator assembly(magneto, stator coil,excitor coil) supplied by three vendors ie. ND, JHI and IN. At the time of replacing individual parts, they must be matched as parts of different vendors cannot be swapped .

      31121-198-303 COIL, EXCITER (ND) (My splendor had ND- Nippon Denso)
      31121-198-902 COIL, EXCITER (JHI)
      31121-198-905 COIL, EXCITER (IN)









      PS- Thanks a lot Sibun for your timely help as always.
      Sir I need your help. I had 5amps battery on my splendor for 2 years and then replaced it recently since it stopped functioning. I change to 2.5 amps amaron no maintenance battery(green colour one ).

      The battery is also not charging optimally. What should I do to get it back it normal. how to check rectifier malfunction

      Sent from my GT-I8552 using Tapatalk
      ''09 Hero Honda Splendor
      '13 Bajaj Pulsar 220
      '17 KTM Duke 390

      www.facebook.com/harikishen

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      • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

        Originally posted by harikishen View Post
        Sir I need your help. I had 5amps battery on my splendor for 2 years and then replaced it recently since it stopped functioning. I change to 2.5 amps amaron no maintenance battery(green colour one ).

        The battery is also not charging optimally. What should I do to get it back it normal. how to check rectifier malfunction

        Sent from my GT-I8552 using Tapatalk
        First of all, please don't quote whole of the post. It makes the thread cluttered, please edit it.

        Do few basic tests-
        With the battery connected- When the rpm is raised, does the neutral light glow with full brightness ?(gear in neutral)
        With the battery disconnected- When the Rpm is raised, does the neutral lamp glow and horn work at 1/4th throttle ?

        Using a digital multimeter- check the terminal voltage at idle and at 1/4th throttle.

        Please check and report your findings.

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        • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

          Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
          First of all, please don't quote whole of the post. It makes the thread cluttered, please edit it.
          Sorry for the previous one will do the tests tomorrow morning and will report and thanks for the fast reply

          Sent from my GT-I8552 using Tapatalk
          ''09 Hero Honda Splendor
          '13 Bajaj Pulsar 220
          '17 KTM Duke 390

          www.facebook.com/harikishen

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          • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

            Originally posted by harikishen View Post
            Sorry for the previous one will do the tests tomorrow morning and will report and thanks for the fast reply
            Please edit your previous post. Click on the edit button, highlight my post and press delete button.

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            • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

              Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
              Please edit your previous post. Click on the edit button, highlight my post and press delete button.
              Sorry Sir couldn't edit the post from my phone.

              The culprit was the ignition socket . Once I asked my nechanic to do a pass switch for me which worked good. Then the wire was connected to the socket directly and I did the same work differently myself. What he actually did was he connected the line to the black wire. To do that he has tried with all the 4 wires from the socket. That was the problem. He didn't tape the wire correctly so the wire was shot and the lines were held by just 2 stands of wire.

              Condition:



              The wires were too short to connect so took the pins out and winded wire over the pins for all the 4 pins





              Then taped them back to their places with a tube over them to make them more secure.



              Donno if the battery will charge properly again.

              Did the tests but couldn't find the multimeter

              The horn honks at 60% of the volume at 1/4th throttle and can see a little difference even if the throttle is full.





              Sent from my GT-I8552 using Tapatalk
              ''09 Hero Honda Splendor
              '13 Bajaj Pulsar 220
              '17 KTM Duke 390

              www.facebook.com/harikishen

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              • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                Happy new year to all. Let this new year usher you into an era of happiness and good health for you and your family.And with this our splendor series bikes enters into another year of service to us.
                Photo of my joy- http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/854067-post963.html-3.88 lac km cont....Ownership review of my joy- http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/832255-post608.html- slowly updating as and when getting time. HERO HONDA CBZ EXTREME(2011) - 47K KM AND COUNTINGhttp://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post904152-carb tuning guide

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                • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                  Originally posted by harikishen View Post
                  .. The culprit was the ignition socket ...
                  Don't leave electrical connections loose spliced like that . Go to a good automobile-electrician ( the guy who does car wiring etc work ) and ask him to make proper solder-ed joints and cover them with heatshrink tube or replace those corroded spade type connectors or whatever , but secure , insulated and clean connections only everywhere . Electrical gremlins has been my number one bane with motorcycling . He shall also find what's wrong with your battery / charging circuit in a jiffy . Happy new year .
                  Last edited by Pinaki; 01-02-2014, 03:01 AM.

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                  • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                    Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                    Don't leave electrical connections loose spliced like that . Go to a good automobile-electrician ( the guy who does car wiring etc work ) and ask him to make proper solder-ed joints and cover them with heatshrink tube or replace those corroded spade type connectors or whatever , but secure , insulated and clean connections only everywhere . Electrical gremlins has been my number one bane with motorcycling . He shall also find what's wrong with your battery / charging circuit in a jiffy . Happy new year .
                    Actually my ignition sockets key port has almost lost its life. I would be changing it very soon. That's why I left it loose. I have insulated them with insulation tapes over the tubes

                    Sent from my GT-I8552 using Tapatalk
                    ''09 Hero Honda Splendor
                    '13 Bajaj Pulsar 220
                    '17 KTM Duke 390

                    www.facebook.com/harikishen

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                    • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                      After this http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1023666

                      My bikes got Face & Eyes back.....yet to source the Mud Guard.

                      Visor made by SAI
                      Reflector made by Lumax

                      Visor being a duplicate which match the exact colour scheme only missing 'Hero Honda' badge.

                      There some panel gap, If it fitted normally then there is almost no panel gap but in that case Low beam become High Beam and High Beam become Sky Beam. So my mech tweak a little bit of his own to fit this way. Anyhow it look not that bad from a distance and hardly noticeable from untrained eyes.

                      Yet to source the Mudguard and need to find a shop who still write number plate with paint /ink.

                      Else changed Both Brake Shoes, Engine OIL, Replaced front fork OIL and OIL Seal, Ball set of handle - didn't throw the Cone disc as my mech said it will be overkill.
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                      Last edited by Neel08; 01-03-2014, 04:49 PM.

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                      • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                        I'm happy to report here,

                        now she completely recovered and get all her limbs back, Thank you guys for watching.

                        Total recovery cost 1710/- (including everything)

                        Let see how this stuff last.....

                        End of Update.
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                        Last edited by Neel08; 01-06-2014, 01:43 PM.

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                        • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                          Originally posted by Neel08 View Post
                          I'm happy to report here,
                          now she completely recovered and get all her limbs back, Thank you guys for watching.
                          Finishing of the paint looks good. Apply a thin coat of wax to protect them from fading.

                          Try to get the tyres changed as soon as possible.
                          Also remove that rubber mudflap. On a lighter note- It looks like that mudflap is very paapular in kolkata.

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                          • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                            Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                            .. Also remove that rubber mudflap. On a lighter note- It looks like that mudflap is very paapular in kolkata.
                            Well hell it is ! everyone has it , quite useful too ! long wet season + lots of potholes etc etc . But it does add much air hindrance = engine heat .
                            I mean was , before I did the front mudguard extn mod on mine . It's superseded all my expectations for serving the purpose ... so I am posting the pic again

                            Last edited by Pinaki; 01-07-2014, 01:47 AM.

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                            • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                              Hello xbhpians,

                              I am new to the biking scene and wanted some advice for my Passion Pro 2012 model, covered 9000 km.

                              I wanted to change my engine oil from hero engine oil to some other brand so please suggest some good synthetic or semi-synthetic oils.

                              Secondly, the looks of the bike have sort of grown over me and i like to change some looks. Can i replace my front headlamp assembly with the new hero passion Xpro? Which has the pilot lamps.

                              Also, i would like to install those fuel tank extensions from Xpro to my bike. Are they a direct fit or some mod is required.

                              Thanks in advance.

                              Sent from my ST23i using xBhp Connect mobile app
                              Vrooming Soul..!!

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                              • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                                You can try this oil from gulf - Gulf :: Lubricant Products , it's very very good in the 10w30 grade . At this stage of use better not use a full syhthetic .
                                As for the mods you have in mind - you have to try out yourself for fit . Best would be to visit the Hero service workshop and ask them . I do not suggest any mods that does not add functionality or some utility to the bike . This is an utility bike .


                                Can anyone identify this bike from the pic ? It's the same engine as ours ...

                                Last edited by Pinaki; 01-07-2014, 03:59 AM.

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