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**n_aditya** · 08-01-2011, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by vkuchhal View Post

For Ninja Riders(Mostly Bangalore and nearby area).looking for fabricated paddock stand (range around 800-1200 bucks),

This stand is a perfect fit for cbr, but needs to a bit redesigned for ninja, and we will also be working if is can be made a bit compact or fold-able.

Do let me know.

After some thought, i think i'll take one too. Just let me know when its ready. Would like to see how sturdy the bike is with this stand.

Suggestion - please see if you can also make the mounting points flexible to fit various swing arm sizes. All it needs is a locking pin for the mounting brackets.

**Gahlaut** · 08-01-2011, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by harsha645 View Post

i am having the same doubt,spoke with the manager and he was also saying the same thing that it cant be done.

ya they are very reluctant even in mentioning the details(they didnt mention me about the this when i got the policy got renewed) and just after renewal of my insurance i saw your post here mentioning nil-dep scheme(unlucky me)

spoke to berkshire insurance (neat site though Home - Berkshire Insurance ) and Iffco Tokio today. Both of them said they don't provide the nil dep cover for 2 wheelers :-/

Had a question wrt accesories. The only expensive one i have is the exhaust slip-on. Does it make sense to get them covered as well? The Insurance guys weren't sure to what extent will they cover it when i probed them

**isodope** · 08-01-2011, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Gahlaut View Post

spoke to berkshire insurance (neat site though Home - Berkshire Insurance ) and Iffco Tokio today. Both of them said they don't provide the nil dep cover for 2 wheelers :-/

Had a question wrt accesories. The only expensive one i have is the exhaust slip-on. Does it make sense to get them covered as well? The Insurance guys weren't sure to what extent will they cover it when i probed them

Happened to talk to Reliance today, which is my insurer. Apparently they offer zero depreciation on a case-by-case basis, but you've got to talk to the branch manager for it.
Car owners usually get expensive aftermarket bits like audio systems insured either as a part of their current insurance scheme (with a raised premium, obviously) or separately (which is very rare). Maybe you can go speak to the branch manager and show him the bill for the exhaust so they can recalculate the premium on the new IDV (which includes the value of the exhaust) and you can pay them the difference and cover the exhaust as well. Be warned that it isn't a proportional increase, by putting on that loud exhaust you're marking yourself as an increased risk to the insurance company!

**ditto** · 08-02-2011, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by kariznin View Post

Earlier, my bike could easily do 150KMPH in upright position but now struggles to do 140KMPH even if I am crouched in.
What engine oil brand and grade are you using bro?

I am using Motul 3000 4t plus 15W50 currently. I got it filled in at 2300 KM on the odo - I am at 2900 KM currently. Before this I had the Bajaj DTSi oil, changed at 1000 KM. I never really tried hard to test top-end with the earlier oil but I can remember I did face a lot of resistance in going over 130 KPH even then. Changing the oil only helped me with a smoother engine (read less vibrations and less heating) and MUCH smoother gear shifts - no help with the top-end

I tried measuring the proportional increase in speed on 6th gear with increasing RPM. I get
56 KPH at 4K RPM
68 KPH at 5K RPM
80 KPH at 6K RPM
90 KPH at 7K RPM

Couldn't go any higher since I was within the city and ran out of roads (It now seems my bike accelerates much slower than what it used to earlier so I tend to run out of road faster since it just takes longer to increase speed). Anyways, with approx. 12 KPH increase for every 1K RPM, I should be getting 164 KPH at the redline on 13K RPM. However, as you notice, the speed increase dropped from 12KPH to 10KPH from 6K to 7K RPM. If this is a consistent trend for higher RPMs maybe this is why the bike runs out of steam before reaching the top speed. I checked my clutch play and it seems fine so a tight clutch cable should not be the reason for clutch slippage, if it is happening. I will try to test at what RPM I achieve the higher speeds and post back. Once I have this data, I will go to PBK to have the bike checked out. Not liking this at all

**trustvishwas** · 08-02-2011, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by ditto View Post

However, as you notice, the speed increase dropped from 12KPH to 10KPH from 6K to 7K RPM. If this is a consistent trend for higher RPMs maybe this is why the bike runs out of steam before reaching the top speed. (

Actually N250 reaches its peak torque at 8000 rpm and highest power at 11000 rpm so 8k to 11k is the range you should be looking at.

**firen** · 08-02-2011, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by isodope View Post

ALL new bikes smell like something's burning once the engine heats up - it's the excess paint etc that's being burned. The smell will stop once you cross 500km. I have no clue why this happens; will try finding out.

Edit: just read the bit about your odo being at 1700km. Do you have any smoke from the exhaust when you cold start? Either white or black? Please check and let me know?

Try not to come to a standstill in second or third - conventional wisdom states that you stay in the right gear for the speed. So, if you're going to stop, you should end up in first when you're at walking pace. I know this sounds like a silly way out, but most motorcycle problems are down to rider error. If this is hard to believe, you already know that the Ninja gearbox takes a 'manly' tap to slot into the next gear - and try shifting gears on any bike when it's standing still. They'll go from neutral to first (maybe second) but beyond that you'll have to move the rear wheel to engage the next gear.

The palm tingling is one of two things: 1. You're putting too much weight on the bars. Check this with the following - are your elbows bent while riding? When you go over a large speedbreaker, do you also 'rotate' just as much as the bike, or do your arms and legs act as a second set of shock absorbers to keep your torso steady? If you took your hands off the handlebars while riding, would there be a lot more strain on your back?
That last question will tell you perfectly if you're putting too much weight on the bars. If you are, it's a bad thing, and not just because of tingly palms.

I don't like Prasanna saying that everything's okay, but he DOES have a very good point about taking another rider's input - he's rightly asking you to take a second opinion. Ask someone experienced on this forum from your city to ride your bike and give their inputs. It won't take much effort and time, and it'll put your doubts to rest.

The Smell is now gone, as vishwas had pointed out must be due to some unmentionables which could have got stuck on the radiator or the engine.

And nope do not have any white or black smoke coming while cold start.

I understand the principle of being in the right gear but on an one off situtations when i come to a stand still in 3rd gear it really irritates to either rev the engine or move a bit to engage the lower gears. However if this is the case in all the bikes then i do not have anything to worry.

Regarding the riding position, i am indeed putting lot of pressure on the handle bars and yes my torso acts as a second set of shock absorbers.. Looks like i need to change my riding position a bit. Thanks for that.

Off late the vibes have started to appear whenever i am throttling it to 8k rpm and above and then disengaging the throttle. Hell am even getting vibes in the seat. Engine strain still persists at lower gears. Am going to PBK again today, hopefully all these gets sorted out.

**isodope** · 08-02-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by firen View Post

The Smell is now gone, as vishwas had pointed out must be due to some unmentionables which could have got stuck on the radiator or the engine.

And nope do not have any white or black smoke coming while cold start.

I understand the principle of being in the right gear but on an one off situtations when i come to a stand still in 3rd gear it really irritates to either rev the engine or move a bit to engage the lower gears. However if this is the case in all the bikes then i do not have anything to worry.

Regarding the riding position, i am indeed putting lot of pressure on the handle bars and yes my torso acts as a second set of shock absorbers.. Looks like i need to change my riding position a bit. Thanks for that.

Off late the vibes have started to appear whenever i am throttling it to 8k rpm and above and then disengaging the throttle. Hell am even getting vibes in the seat. Engine strain still persists at lower gears. Am going to PBK again today, hopefully all these gets sorted out.

I completely forgot to write down the second reason! 2. Your engine mounting bolts haven't been tightened properly. That could be another reason. Go on/off throttle at different revs and pay careful attention to the bike. Does it shimmy? If yes, those bolts need tightening.

If it's neither of those - and seat vibes indicate that the riding posture isn't the problem - then we'll have to think up other things. Hope it gets sorted out today.

**harsha645** · 08-02-2011, 06:01 PM

@ditto&kariznin have you guys compared your ninjas with other ninjas????

today me,kiran &abhinav went on a speed run early in the morning..kiran was complaining that his ninja couldnt go beyond 150kmph..where as me and abhinav have done 160+s..so while returning we planned to ride in such a way what we can co-relate the speeds..kiran was leading and we were maintaining uniform speeds..after some time we stopped and kiran's speedo showed him 150kmph,where as mine&abhinav showed 170kmph...so we swapped bikes and i took kirans bike and couldnt go beyond 150kmph but keeping up with other two(doing 165+ as shown by speedo)..so we couldnt understand what the actual problem is

...when i rode kirans bike it did 150kmph@12k rpm

kirans bike is 2011 model,mine and abhinav were 2010 model,anything related to it???

**psr** · 08-02-2011, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by harsha645 View Post

@ditto&kariznin have you guys compared your ninjas with other ninjas????

today me,kiran &abhinav went on a speed run early in the morning..kiran was complaining that his ninja couldnt go beyond 150kmph..where as me and abhinav have done 160+s..so while returning we planned to ride in such a way what we can co-relate the speeds..kiran was leading and we were maintaining uniform speeds..after some time we stopped and kiran's speedo showed him 150kmph,where as mine&abhinav showed 170kmph...so we swapped bikes and i took kirans bike and couldnt go beyond 150kmph but keeping up with other two(doing 165+ as shown by speedo)..so we couldnt understand what the actual problem is

...when i rode kirans bike it did 150kmph@12k rpm

kirans bike is 2011 model,mine and abhinav were 2010 model,anything related to it???

Was Kiran's bike showing 150 Kmph while your's and Abhinav's Ninjas showed 170 Kmph,WHEN ALL OF YOU WERE RIDING SIDE BY SIDE OR AT SAME DISTANCE............, or is it , that while your's and Abhinav's ACTUALLY did 170 Kmph and Kiran trailed behind since he could not do better than 150 Kmph ?
I think there is some issue with clutch plate slip in the latest Ninjas compared to the older ones, judging from the observation of rise in RPM, without commensurate increase in speed.

**harsha645** · 08-02-2011, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Was Kiran's bike showing 150 Kmph while your's and Abhinav's Ninjas showed 170 Kmph,WHEN ALL OF YOU WERE RIDING SIDE BY SIDE OR AT SAME DISTANCE............, or is it , that while your's and Abhinav's ACTUALLY did 170 Kmph and Kiran trailed behind since he could not do better than 150 Kmph ?
I think there is some issue with clutch plate slip in the latest Ninjas compared to the older ones, judging from the observation of rise in RPM, without commensurate increase in speed.

kirans ninja showed 150 when mine&abhinavs showed 165 ..and yes we were maintaining the same distance between us.....
And what i observed on kirans bike rpm-speedo relation is ok in all other gears except the 6th

But there isnt any difference between present model and previous other than cosmetic changes(panels,speedo background)...

@kiran&abhinav add your observations..

**psr** · 08-02-2011, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by harsha645 View Post

kirans ninja showed 150 when mine&abhinavs showed 165 ..and yes we were maintaining the same distance between us.....
And what i observed on kirans bike rpm-speedo relation is ok in all other gears except the 6th

But there isnt any difference between present model and previous other than cosmetic changes(panels,speedo background)...

@kiran&abhinav add your observations..

Thanks for quick reply...seems there is some Speedo problem with either new models or older ones....but what Kariznin had originally reported was that his bike DID 150 Kmph easily, but now is sluggish and not doing the same speed ... the RPM does increase, without increase in speed...either clutch plates slipping, or somehow the speedo has got into major error .

**therealabhinav** · 08-02-2011, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by harsha645 View Post

kirans ninja showed 150 when mine&abhinavs showed 165 ..and yes we were maintaining the same distance between us.....
And what i observed on kirans bike rpm-speedo relation is ok in all other gears except the 6th

But there isnt any difference between present model and previous other than cosmetic changes(panels,speedo background)...

@kiran&abhinav add your observations..

Yeah i second this!

Many of the ninja owners have reported a speed of 170kmph+ whilst few have done 175kmph+, but could these be the 2009 and 2010 models? I haven't ridden any 2011 ninjas apart from that of Kirans so I dont think i can make a generalised comment but asking all the 2011 owners if they've crossed 170kmph on their ninjas?

I was certainly ripping Kirans bike like i usually do mine, the speeds with respect to the rpm are the same in the first FIVE gears and variation only starts in the SIXTH gear wherein i really had a tough time to cross 160kmph on Kirans speedo (Harsha and Kiran were maintaining the same distance, in all positions for a good length of time and they were certainly doing 170+)

Could it be a pure speedo error in our ninjas (mine and Harshas- 2010 models) but a difference of atleast 15kmph does seem unlikely!

Could it be a problem with Kirans speedo as his rpm in 6th gears aren't the same as both of ours and his bike not crossing 155kmph (155kmph is rather low compared to the reported top speeds of owners here but then again his ninja is very new/recent so maybe they've corrected the speedo error?!?!)

Any light on this??

**harikeshpk** · 08-02-2011, 10:09 PM

there is some speedo error on the ninja. the error is more towards positive side than less. some thing like indicated speed is 100 the bike is running at a true speed of about 90 kph. i have checked like at a 100 kmph the bike has to travel a 100 kms in an hour when you are riding a constant speed of 100. but it covers only about 80 kms / approx as indicated by the road mile stones.

see the test reports on the ninja the speed(like in bike mag etc)is indicated more on the speedo where the true speed is less.

bike mag nov 2009 - first test of ninja 250 - in 5th gear indicated speed is 161 kph but true speed is 152 kph. so that is it.

mechanical speedo+ cable linkage etc has to do a lot with this error. i am not worried. i take it as one of the draw backs of our ninja.

**jd666** · 08-02-2011, 10:16 PM

^^ can be due to a worn out worm and roller gear as well ( not fully, but one more than the other ).

@harsha - whats the difference in Kms done on the ninjas in comparison.

**therealabhinav** · 08-02-2011, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

^^ can be due to a worn out worm and roller gear as well ( not fully, but one more than the other ).

@harsha - whats the difference in Kms done on the ninjas in comparison.

Harsha's - 8300
Kiran's - 2200
Mine - 8100

I have no idea where the worm and roller gear are but my speedo first broke the 175kmph barrier when it was 1200km old

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