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**111diablo111** · 04-09-2013, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

I am using that same tyre since more than 15000kms but never felt any such problem with it..I took my bike on few tough terrains as well after installing it & it performed really good there as well
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Adding few more pics having same tire..

**111diablo111** · 04-09-2013, 07:44 PM

Which Engine oil will be better for ZMR??

Shell Advance AX7 10w40 or Gulf Pride 4T 10w30

its urgent

**bbsrailfan** · 04-09-2013, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

Which Engine oil will be better for ZMR??

Shell Advance AX7 10w40 or Gulf Pride 4T 10w30

its urgent

From experience with my friend's ZMR, Shell Advance Ultra 10W40 FS is best

**Divya Sharan** · 04-09-2013, 08:48 PM

Got my back from SVC.
They had the audacity to say that I was needlessly worried and the bike is in pristine condition.

According to them, electricals/Fuel pump/spark plugs/battery/sensors all are fine. I think this will go deep. God forbid, but I don't think I can ever pin point the exact issue unless stranded again!

**shoeb2015** · 04-09-2013, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Got my back from SVC.
They had the audacity to say that I was needlessly worried and the bike is in pristine condition.

According to them, electricals/Fuel pump/spark plugs/battery/sensors all are fine. I think this will go deep. God forbid, but I don't think I can ever pin point the exact issue unless stranded again!

Next time if you get stranded,

1.Check if the plug is being fired.(If self-start responds)

2.Carry a heavy gauge 50cm wire with stripped ends-To hot wire the starter(If self does not respond) CAUTION- If you don't know how to do it then don't do it. If you short this live wire to something else(say to ground)then you risk blowing up something.

Intermittent problems are very hard to detect.

**abhi7013** · 04-09-2013, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post

Sibun,Please don't take me wrong but see this.

Here is my opinion on self-starter not responding at all.

Suppose the Bank angle sensor goes kaput then all the parts which are dependent on ECU stop working( injector, Fuel Pump, ignition Coil all stop working)

BUT, The signal to the starter relay is no-where related to the ECU so the starter must have worked even if the bank angle sensor goes kaput or even if the fuel pump,injector,ecu also goes kaput.
As the self-start's circuit is totally independent of the ECU and the signal it receives from various parts.

Started relay depends upon the
1. Clutch switch/Neutral signal.
2. Whether it is getting current from the starter button.
3. Whether the fuse was OK.
4.The relay got stuck momentarily. Highly possible.

If the electric starter had worked but the engine refused to start then we could have blamed ECU/ injector/ Fuel Pump/ ignition Coil/Bank angle sensor for fault. But after taking the call,the engine did not even turn over even once.Hence my reason for blaming the starting circuit/ the starter relay.

Now what actually confuses me is that the bike refused to start even after push starting but it started after resetting the ignition switch after some time. This points to the bank angle sensor as once the bank angle sensor is activated,it gets latched. In your case it might have stuck then re-setting the ignition switch multiple times set it free.

Was the bike having enough momentum to push start ? If yes then :-

It could be due to two combined problems 1.Starter circuit/starter relay and 2.Bank angle sensor getting stuck "somehow".

I am not offending you dear Sibun,just expressing my opinion. I am no expert and can be wrong. Will be thankful to get corrected.

I completely agree with you. But I strongly blame the relay. Push start may have failed due to wrong gear or inadequate speed or less weight on the rear wheel (as it tends to skid). Am sure its the relay.
But one point I disagree strongly is the issue of bank angle sensor. When I had a fall the engine went off. After lifting the bike I tried several times to start it. The cranking sound would come but the bike would not start. After switching off and later switching on the ignition, the bike started. So even if the bank angle sensor is gone, the cranking sound has to come. But in his case its not coming. So it leads us to the relay. Hope am correct..

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**shoeb2015** · 04-09-2013, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

I completely agree with you. But I strongly blame the relay. Push start may have failed due to wrong gear or inadequate speed or less weight on the rear wheel (as it tends to skid). Am sure its the relay.
But one point I disagree strongly is the issue of bank angle sensor. When I had a fall the engine went off. After lifting the bike I tried several times to start it. The cranking sound would come but the bike would not start. After switching off and later switching on the ignition, the bike started. So even if the bank angle sensor is gone, the cranking sound has to come. But in his case its not coming. So it leads us to the relay. Hope am correct..

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Bank angle sensor has a latch mechanism. This latch gets stuck unless the ignition is "re-set". Simply turning off and the turning on the ignition will un-latch the bank angle sensor and the ECU will activate the pump,injector and ignition coil.

Your incident only proves that starter circuit is not related to bank angle sensor but the bike not refusing to start even after pushing had made me think that there could be two problems. I still emphasize on checking the starter "physically".

**veryhiphop** · 04-10-2013, 10:10 AM

If an starter relay is faulty..then i assume bike may start by pressing a clutch....may be i am wrong on this.....

**psr** · 04-10-2013, 10:19 AM

Bank angle Sensor works only on the Bike body inclining more than 45 degrees...and is reset by the Ignition switch turning off and on....
Failing to start even with push start try , shows either Ignition or fuel related issue...
Since @ Divya had switched the Ignition on & off a few times before push start, and also after that , Bank Angle sensor malfunction is out of question as the cause.
As Summer Heat comes up, the problem will elucidate by itself..

**abhi7013** · 04-10-2013, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

If an starter relay is faulty..then i assume bike may start by pressing a clutch....may be i am wrong on this.....

Nope. If relay is faulty, there will not be any sound on pressing the starter. Clutch is no way related to it.

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**veryhiphop** · 04-10-2013, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Nope. If relay is faulty, there will not be any sound on pressing the starter. Clutch is no way related to it.

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actually i had faced the starter relay issue in my ZMR...bike do not get started...when i check in at SVC...they inspect and he says that relay need to replace...when bike does not start he press the clutch and bike get started....

**rreneav1987** · 04-10-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

If an starter relay is faulty..then i assume bike may start by pressing a clutch....may be i am wrong on this.....

Possibilities are there for this too.. Sometime when my bike is in Gear and I hold the clutch to start it, it doesn't start. but here.. when the bike is pushed to start, it didn't start.. hence it cannot be an issue in the case of Divya Sharan..

**psr** · 04-10-2013, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

actually i had faced the starter relay issue in my ZMR...bike do not get started...when i check in at SVC...they inspect and he says that relay need to replace...when bike does not start he press the clutch and bike get started....

If the bike starts with clutch lever pressed then Either Bike is in Gear or, Neutral switch contact is bad...

**rreneav1987** · 04-10-2013, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

If the bike starts with clutch lever pressed then Either Bike is in Gear or, Neutral switch contact is bad...

I do have issues like the one you mentioned.. sometimes I will have to hold the clutch in order to self start the bike even though its in neutral.. what to do in this case Sir?

**antan_shank** · 04-10-2013, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by 111diablo111 View Post

Which Engine oil will be better for ZMR??

Shell Advance AX7 10w40 or Gulf Pride 4T 10w30

its urgent

I am using Shell Advance AX7 10W40 and I must say this is excellent engine oil. Changing interval - I do it at and interval of 2300-2500KM, though its more than OK till then... I have traveled more than 200Km at a stretch without stopping for a second, still no problem or any over heating....

Certified by Hero Service guys that this is best engine oil they have ever used ratting above some full synthetic..

I am totally satisfied and I will continue with this for now. A big from my end....

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