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**niks_devil666** · 10-21-2009, 01:28 PM

My new battery (6 mnth old) is getting drained , any possible root causes?

I had recently fit the cigie lighter attchment , can it be the reason for a drain.

(Praful : the starter is fine , its the battery which is the issue)

**abhijeet080808** · 10-21-2009, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

My new battery (6 mnth old) is getting drained , any possible root causes?

I had recently fit the cigie lighter attchment , can it be the reason for a drain.

(Praful : the starter is fine , its the battery which is the issue)

Is the lighter connected after the ignition switch or is it connected directly to the battery? If there is any load on the battery even when the ignition is OFF, battery will drain.

**rossiter** · 10-21-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post

Is the lighter connected after the ignition switch or is it connected directly to the battery? If there is any load on the battery even when the ignition is OFF, battery will drain.

What difference does it make if he is not plugging anything into the attachment?

**Praful** · 10-21-2009, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

My new battery (6 mnth old) is getting drained , any possible root causes?

I had recently fit the cigie lighter attchment , can it be the reason for a drain.

(Praful : the starter is fine , its the battery which is the issue)

Battery draining is something that can have a wide variety of causes, just to put things into perspective...my bike's battery draining issue took close to 35K kms to fix!

For now I think you can try running your bike without the attachment to see if it makes any difference. Was there any cutting of wires involved for fitting it? More importantly why did you do this mod?

**niks_devil666** · 10-21-2009, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by abhijeet080808 View Post

Is the lighter connected after the ignition switch or is it connected directly to the battery? If there is any load on the battery even when the ignition is OFF, battery will drain.

Its connected to the ignition. battery shudnt drain when its parked.

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Battery draining is something that can have a wide variety of causes, just to put things into perspective...my bike's battery draining issue took close to 35K kms to fix!

For now I think you can try running your bike without the attachment to see if it makes any difference. Was there any cutting of wires involved for fitting it? More importantly why did you do this mod?

The ciggie lighter is never attached to the holder. Its just the holder which is kept inside , wrapped with a cloth. the only wire which was cut was one near a socket , minor 2-3 mm cut for attaching a wire. The negaive goes to the chassis ground. I will be checking all wirings in the eve.

I got this mod so that I could charge my phone during long rides since the battery doesnt last with GPS on.

What was the issue in your bike?

**rossiter** · 10-21-2009, 02:36 PM

@Nikhil: It's nothing to do with the splicing you did for the ciggie lighter attachment, or the ciggie lighter attachment itself. If there is a problem where you spliced the wire near the socket, your fuse would have blown.

(Not sure if you want this info anymore, but on the R1, and the P180, I've connected the attachment direct to the battery with an inline fuse. No splicing necessary. Keeps things simple.)

Back to your problem, check distilled water levels, check the current flowing into the battery with a multimeter and while you're revving up. This will start off the diagnosis part of it at least.

**Praful** · 10-21-2009, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

Its connected to the ignition. battery shudnt drain when its parked.

The ciggie lighter is never attached to the holder. Its just the holder which is kept inside , wrapped with a cloth. the only wire which was cut was one near a socket , minor 2-3 mm cut for attaching a wire. The negaive goes to the chassis ground. I will be checking all wirings in the eve.

I got this mod so that I could charge my phone during long rides since the battery doesnt last with GPS on.

What was the issue in your bike?

Get rid of the attachment to see if its affecting in any way.

For charging you should move onto something like this.

On my bike one of the wires under the fairing was shot, totally undetectable was a huge PITA. But finally its resolved!3

EDIT: The confirm if its a battery problem or something else do the following things :-
1. Get the battery checked at a Auth. service centre of the Battery manufacturer. They should be checking for water levels and voltage across the terminals.
2. Plug in the diagnostic tool to see how much voltage is produced in idling and see if its above the usual level which usually >12.5V.

**abhijeet080808** · 10-21-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by rossiter View Post

What difference does it make if he is not plugging anything into the attachment?

If it is a simple one, no difference. But, some of them have stuffs like LEDs etc which can draw current.

Anyways, check current flow from the battery with the ignition OFF. Anything above micro ampere range is serious. Also, check charging voltage at 4k rpm = 13.8V-14.2V.

Lastly, check water level.

**niks_devil666** · 10-21-2009, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by rossiter View Post

@Nikhil: It's nothing to do with the splicing you did for the ciggie lighter attachment, or the ciggie lighter attachment itself. If there is a problem where you spliced the wire near the socket, your fuse would have blown.

(Not sure if you want this info anymore, but on the R1, and the P180, I've connected the attachment direct to the battery with an inline fuse. No splicing necessary. Keeps things simple.)

Back to your problem, check distilled water levels, check the current flowing into the battery with a multimeter and while you're revving up. This will start off the diagnosis part of it at least.

Exactly what I thought , no fuses blown , including the fuse I put along with the attachment. After I pushed started the bike , raced to svc center only to find that there was a "mass bunk" at FC PBK service center and the battery got charged and no issues with starting.

Last time Apr 10th(our SS1600 run to bangy) while coming back the battery got drained overnight and hence the first battery replacement.

I think the cause of the drain was never rectified. BTW , my DMM's batteries have also run out

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Get rid of the attachment to see if its affecting in any way.

For charging you should move onto something like this.

On my bike one of the wires under the fairing was shot, totally undetectable was a huge PITA. But finally its resolved!

I think I will head to the service center to get all wiring checked. What is the cost of rewiring the whole bike , I wudnt mind changing the arteries of a 2.5 years old bajaj bike.

**rossiter** · 10-21-2009, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by prafultripathy View Post

Get rid of the attachment to see if its affecting in any way.

For charging you should move onto something like this.

On my bike one of the wires under the fairing was shot, totally undetectable was a huge PITA. But finally its resolved!3

EDIT: The confirm if its a battery problem or something else do the following things :-
1. Get the battery checked at a Auth. service centre of the Battery manufacturer. They should be checking for water levels and voltage across the terminals.
2. Plug in the diagnostic tool to see how much voltage is produced in idling and see if its above the usual level which usually >12.5V.

^^ That's actually a pretty good product. Was reading up about the company and they have a very interesting product range. This ciggie lighter for bikes is quite well made and looks like it will last long unlike mine which is already discolouring after my Waterfalls ride. And as far as I could tell, it connects directly to the battery as well.

I would've bought the ideaforge one if I had found it a couple of months back.

**rahuldevnath** · 10-21-2009, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by ajinkya View Post

no man they came with the ig ones i wantt the slim ones as the big nes keep rattling around the fairing especially the one next to the bcu

Isn't 6.8K for normal Ballast too much? I paid 6.5K, after being convinced that cost is because of the Digital and Slim Ballast. In fact Raylux's slim Ballasts are much smaller in form factor than the slim ones which I saw a year back.

**niks_devil666** · 10-22-2009, 01:51 PM

1.Battery update : Apparently my hand on the brake lever made the brake lights glow causing a discharge (since while braking alternator does not charge the battery while braking

) . some jugaad done on it to avoid the light to glow up only when braked intentionally. Voltage levels are 12.5+ . When brake lever is pressed the levels start to drop.

Some how I am unhappy with the the solution (seems illogical) but will have to wait and see if it works.

2. changed to Ceat vertigo 120/80-17 TL for 2100. Any views/reviews on this tyre?

**Praful** · 10-22-2009, 01:58 PM

1. Is that the reason stated by the PBK? If that had been the case then our batteries should have discharged ages ago. Or do you mean that your brakes are in always ON mode?

2. 2100/- is way too much, it costed Vinal 1400/- and he's used it for his Leh ride so he'd be the best person to give a review on that tyre. Damn! for 2100 you could have gone for the Sirac instead....

**HydBiker** · 10-22-2009, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

1.Battery update : Apparently my hand on the brake lever made the brake lights glow causing a discharge (since while braking alternator does not charge the battery while braking

) . some jugaad done on it to avoid the light to glow up only when braked intentionally. Voltage levels are 12.5+ . When brake lever is pressed the levels start to drop.

If that is true that'd be news... we we all would understand that while braking and while stopped at a traffic signal holding the brakes the battery doesn't charge!!!

2. changed to Ceat vertigo 120/80-17 TL for 2100. Any views/reviews on this tyre?

I was quoted Rs 1400 for that tyre. Review, not bad - not great.

Rs 2100 is the range of imported tyres.

**abhijeet080808** · 10-22-2009, 02:34 PM

PBK guys are of course known for making jokes like that! These guys are damn imaginative! Those brake lights are only LEDs!

Better to give the wiring a complete check!

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