Re: Karizma Zma

my 2006 model Zma

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

[QUOTE=worrisomebear;1037986]No just replace by a single can of new oil, just remember to keep drain intervals around 1000kms

Thanx bro...

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Changed the cables but still the same problem. And are NGK iridiam spark plugs good for karizma..

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Hi xbhpians... Im new to this stuff and this is my first post actually..

I've recently bought a New Karizma R (Black) i.e on 4/2/'14



The bike just completed 60kms on the whole and im afraid because the New Bike is showing a few problems which i think are not supposed to happen on a New Bike

Maybe im over-thinking & stuff but here are the things with my bike

1. During the Delivery, the Showroom Guy told me to Kick Start it every morning, for the first ride of the day... And i come home... And the next morning i've planned to take it to a temple And KICK START doesn't work... so many attempts and the engine never seems to wake up... So i've tried the self-start and guess what... the bike cried but never started even on the self start.. After 5-6 attempts it started then i idled it for few mins and the rest of the day the self-start was Spot-On.. But every morning it annoys me & what annoys me most is that this is a new bike....

So that following evening i took the bike to the showroom and showed it to the mechanic over there... and told him the Kick Start is troubling... So he sat on the bike and kick started it & Guess what it started like a charm and i was standing there like an idiot without knowing how to react..!! So he told me "Why are you using Kick Start" and i told him the showroom guy told me to do so.. He kinda got pissed off and said "Kick Start is not necessary Self Start will work every time and that too in 1 attempt" i was like okay... and then came back home.. And the next morning again neither kick nor self-start helped me... Though the Self-Start as always started the bike after 5-6 attempts

Does this happen to everyone or is mine a LEMON :O

2. There is a plastic burning smell after i ride the bike for say 20 mins and then the smell disappears...

Can someone please help me out..!! I will very greatful for your help & im in desperation for some help..!!

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First congratulations for the brand new (last batch of classic) Karizma. Don't worry, your bike doesn't have any issues. Use choke (located on the handle bar beside left side switch gear) in the morning to start the bike. As this is winter, engine will be very cold and the fuel in the chamber will be in condensed state. It needs a little more fuel than regular to start, which would be provided by pulling the choke. Pull choke, and leave it on for 10-15 secs, idle the bike for a minute or two before you start riding.

As the engine is new, you will find the engine to be very hot and some burning smell is common.

Keep the bike around 4k rpm for the first 300 kms. You can go up to 5k rpm for the next 300 kms, and then 6k rpm for the next 300 kms. Always vary the rpms and don't ride constantly at same speed for more than 10 min.

Wish you many happy miles with your ride.

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[MENTION=66528]Srujan Malladi[/MENTION], don't worry. Your bike's fine!

Use the choke during cold starts. Since its a new bike, you'll get that smell. Should go after first service.


EDIT - Ravi anna beat me to it.

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Thank you ravi Anna i did not expect such a quick response

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Thnx for the reply bro

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Try turning off and turning it on again ...
I had this exact problems on my 4 month old karizma which has literally gone now with usage..Start with choke at the first start of the day ..often the idling rpm would be between 1.1k and 1.2k check for this too...

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Did my 3rd service at 4700 kms today .. As i described earlier on starting issues i got the self start relay replaced under warranty..Truly satisfied with their service enough to put a big smile on my face upon exit ...they would even look upon the tiny issues which i would describe such as screw missing and even covering up my UNI free flow filter prior to washing ..

Did the service sooner since i would be making a long trip for the first time from thrissur to velankanni and back covering approx 1000kms

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Kick start doesn't mean that choke is not needed. On cold mornings choke is needed, whether you use electric start or kick start. Pull the choke and give on proper kick, and the bike comes to life.

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Thanx to all ...
Man..!! I kinda feel awesome with so many friends to help me out..!!

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Caution/Warning/Suggestion: Always replace the crankshaft if you find it faulty/defective. NEVER, I repeat, NEVER repair Karizma's crankshaft; it will not set, even if the lathe worker has years of experience.

Karizma's crankshaft, in a well maintained bike, would last for at least 80k kms, even 1lac. Even if the conrod develops side play, don't think its defective, unless there is pinging/knocking, more pronounced in lower rpms, especially under load. I have made a mistake of repairing the crankshaft looking at just the side play, when there were no symptoms. The repaired crankshaft has no side play or up-down play, but still it knocks. This happened to me twice, and I learnt it the hard way. The crankshaft is very expensive at 5k, and better save money and replace it if found defective.

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I know am the best person to answer this question of yours cause I've been there.

1. It is a bike(Inspite of all the plastic!) and its made to last, it wont break no matter what you do to it. Mines around 50k old and I've never gone easy on it, but guess what! it still runs fine.

2. It is a courtesy to lubricate the cylinder wall, before starting the bike, hence with the ignition off, you should move the engine using the kicker a few times, before starting the bike.

3. If the bike doesnt start in the morning, then that doesnt mean it has an issue. The bike wont properly start unless and untill it has reached optimum temp for combustion. To overcome this, with the ignition off use the kicker 4~5 times, then turn on the ignition and press the starter and the bike will start, and dont be shy on giving a little throttle to maintain idle. Just make sure that the idle never drops below 1.1kRPM.

4. There will be a burning smell cause the SVC put all kinds of crap on the bike to make it shine, and after a good run the smell surfaces. It would be best to ignore, and you can rest assured that the bike wont explode or catch fire.

5. And ultimately its a machine, so no need to worry much about it or pull out your hair thinking of it. No matter what you do, you cant break it. If there are some vibes/sounds etc, unless they're prominent it would be best to ignore them cause there are numerous moving parts inside the bike and its bound to make some rattle, some time or the other.

6. And finally, dont compare your bike with another, and keep in mind the technology used in this bike is ancient but spot on reliable, meaning you can expect the bike to do a 120kmph all day, but that doesnt mean you should gun it every now and then to check the top speed, and if you do so, then dont be sad when the speedo sticks at 115~120kmph, as I said its an ancient bike and peaks out at those speeds, the rest is just mere luck.

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You are better off starting the bike without using the kicker. If you use the kicker slowly then you will also end up scraping whatever little amount of oil was there on the bore.
Oil pump needs at-least 150-200RPM continuously for a time of minimum 3 secs to be able to pump oil. So you must kick the kicker like mad for at-least 10secs.

I have checked how much effort and time the oil takes to reach the cylinder head by using kicker in quite a few bikes.

We all had our engine last very long just by following a simple rule- letting the engine idle for 30secs(cold start) and driving gently for a few kms until the engine warms-up.

Hope you don't mind me intervening.

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I've actually put some serious thought into it. Because I remember reading that its best to keep the RPM above 1.1k for the oil pump to function at optimum, and when kicking the RPM goes 1k+ barely for a microsecond. But then again, I was under the assumption that the cylinder lubrication was done courtesy of the piston skirt. Thanks for clearing my doubt.

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As soon as you crank the engine, the oil pump pumps up the oil across the engine. There is an oil gallery through the main engine bolt that opens up into center of the camshaft. Also, there are oil pockets at places in the engine that holds up the oil.