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**YashwanthBK** · 02-18-2014, 06:54 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by AK3D View Post

Don't experiment too much

. People are known to scare other vehicle owners after getting information and delving deeper into the working of motorcycles. This strange symptom is called bike-itis and it'll affect you as well. You will probably put an ear to an unsuspecting fellow's engine head and comment on the slight ticking that you hear, which will cause him to rush to the ASC to find out what ails his vehicle.

I second that [MENTION=52772]AK3D[/MENTION]. Don't worry, i wont succumb to the so called 'bike-itis' as long as there is proper guidance from experts in this forum! Cheers!

**psr** · 02-18-2014, 07:23 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

For solving Swing arm squeak and improper action, the whole swing arm Bushes inside and the cavity between the end bushes must be made free of rust and Lithium Bearing grease should be used to lube and inner cavity to be filled with the grease, and then the swing arm is to assembled...

Originally posted by SriramEfunds

I wasn't a DIY guy at all until I met Aargee and PSR Sir. I'm not only a PSR Sir's fan but also a student.

The DIY bug always bites the avid biker , sooner or later, and thanks Mr.Sriram for your kind words....I admire you for the many trips and the experience you have....... so much in planning ,traveling and leading the riders in the Trips you organize so diligently .

**ravi@17bhp** · 02-18-2014, 08:05 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Henick View Post

reaching the destination i found noises coming from the panels (quite irritating too)

the same panel (comes with 3 screws) towards the battery compartment resulted in this wacky noise .. how much does this panel cost ?? is there a way to remodel the broken thing or something ??
also there is this squeaky sound from the rear suspension whenever i sit (i went on the trip straight after my 3rd service) ..i have set the rear suspension to setting 3 to get better handling .. Any idea on what suspension setting is the best for both terrains (cruise and city) ??

Thanks in advance

That is really pathetic. The quality of the panels is going down. We never had these kind of cracks at that time. They crack over time, but not this soon. My bike's panels cracked due to load and riding in worst roads over years, and I was okay with that. But, these days, the cracks are popping with just few smooth rides.

I was able to stitch together all the broken joints and they are working fine now, but they are 5 years old. I will post some pics later.

Originally posted by YashwanthBK View Post

Actually the existing RR unit in my ZMA has been damaged, the mechanic said he could see smoke coming out of it. So he had simply disconnected the RR unit. Which means the battery wont get charged while running and the bike will run as long as the battery has power.

Luckily @SriramEfunds came to my rescue and had offered me to sell his RR unit for half the price, which he had bought earlier it seems. Thanks Sriram anna !
Went to the mechanic today, got the RR unit replaced, and now its working fine! (Except for the headlights, but i think its because the battery needs to get charged up a bit). Running without the extra Aluminium heatsink for now, planning to fit one before touring.

Also had a great time with you Sriram anna! Doing D.I.Y's, discussing bikes, etc. Your knowledge, especially on 2-strokes, simply astounds me!
Special thanks to @AK3D sir , Ravi anna , @psr sir , @phanikar sir for the immediate response and the information.

I am glad your problem is solved. Nothing for me to say about Sriram, he is a nice helpful gentleman. I still remember him sending the AFR screw by courier at right time when it was not available in Hyderabad. I was so humbled and happy. I was fortunate to have met him a couple of times. and ride with him.

We have so many members here who can walk the extra mile to help other members, and so many who are ready to share the knowledge without any reservation. I am really happy for that. I have learnt a ton of knowledge with experiments on my ZMA (of course, only a drop in ocean), with the help of the knowledge from the members on this thread. I really thank everyone and I am really happy for this thread.

Originally posted by AK3D View Post

Ah I see. Were the bushings also greased? If only the swingarm bolt/axle was removed, there is a high chance that the rust had crept up to the bushings also.

Yeah, there might be a possibility. There was no time to do overhauling. He just pushed out the swingarm axle with another axle. Lubed with grease and oil, and pushed it back. The sound has vanished after this. Maybe nexttime if the noise comes again, better to do complete overhaul.

Originally posted by AK3D View Post

Glad you got it sorted out. I had an issue of the bike wobbling at times, after going over bumps - narrowed it down to rust on the bushings. Didn't have any noise issue though.

Thanks for sharing. Will keep this in mind. As of now, even after 7 years, the suspension on my bike is not making any noise. The suspension is a bit hard, on 3rd level. Will have to do a swing-arm overhaul in future.

**undergroundrider** · 02-19-2014, 11:03 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Don't you think the SVC/dealership would guide you better? (if in case you haven't been there already)
BTW, you can shave off 2-4k (depending on the location/city) from the OTR price if you decide on getting the RTO registration/insurance yourself rather than depending on the dealer.

97k OTR including bribes to the RTO and Motor Vehicle Inspector plus additional processing charges on insurance seems quite decent and appropriate to me.

After a couple of phone calls and pure indian skills I've managed to get a deal for 92k with a waiting period of 10 days

**Divya Sharan** · 02-19-2014, 11:29 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by undergroundrider View Post

After a couple of phone calls and pure indian skills I've managed to get a deal for 92k with a waiting period of 10 days

Great! Ensure that you don't get a very old bike (w.r.t mfg date). You can track the mfg date with the chassis/VIN number.

**SriramEfunds** · 02-19-2014, 11:57 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Great! Ensure that you don't get a very old bike (w.r.t mfg date).

Won't you feel happy for him, if he gets Hero Honda batch?

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**Divya Sharan** · 02-19-2014, 12:15 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

Won't you feel happy for him, if he gets Hero Honda batch?

Ha ha. That would have to be too old a bike.

I meant to say that he must be aware of dealer malpractices where they knowingly handle lemons/too old bikes/damaged bikes to unsuspecting/noble customers.

**undergroundrider** · 02-19-2014, 04:01 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Ha ha. That would have to be too old a bike.

I meant to say that he must be aware of dealer malpractices where they knowingly handle lemons/too old bikes/damaged bikes to unsuspecting/noble customers.

Got it confirmed, will be a 2014 mfg bike.
any prerequisites from my end that I need to follow before booking and after booking.??
However I haven't booked the bike yet, are Hero branded bikes that f'ed up.?

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Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Great! Ensure that you don't get a very old bike (w.r.t mfg date). You can track the mfg date with the chassis/VIN number.

oh really! well I wasn't aware of that though
How can I do that.?

**SriramEfunds** · 02-19-2014, 04:42 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

[MENTION=11193]undergroundrider[/MENTION], Hero label is what they have changed on to the bike, still the engine platform is the same as what Hero Honda used to come, so no worries.

What you need to look out in a new bike, I should say a smaal list while taking delivery.
[MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir, [MENTION=52772]AK3D[/MENTION], [MENTION=11210]ravi@17bhp[/MENTION] can we prepare a list for PDI or was that already available on this thread? Though there might not be many taking bike from showroom, still for the benefit of karizma fans, shall have one posted.

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**undergroundrider** · 02-19-2014, 04:58 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

What you need to look out in a new bike, I should say a smaal list while taking delivery.
@psr sir, @AK3D, @ravi@17bhp can we prepare a list for PDI or was that already available on this thread? Though there might not be many taking bike from showroom, still for the benefit of karizma fans, shall have one posted.

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This would really be a great initiative!!

I'm not purchasing my bike from the showroom either, they quoted me a price of 99k
I'm offloading it from a local dealer, whose price is 92k and with the duty reduction of 4% ill try to have another dig towards the bargain

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Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

@undergroundrider, Hero label is what they have changed on to the bike, still the engine platform is the same as what Hero Honda used to come, so no worries.

I meant has the quality of plastics and other components gone down?

**AK3D** · 02-20-2014, 01:18 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

@undergroundrider, Hero label is what they have changed on to the bike, still the engine platform is the same as what Hero Honda used to come, so no worries.

What you need to look out in a new bike, I should say a smaal list while taking delivery.
@psr sir, @AK3D, @ravi@17bhp can we prepare a list for PDI or was that already available on this thread? Though there might not be many taking bike from showroom, still for the benefit of karizma fans, shall have one posted.

I believe there was a rough checklist posted by myself and a couple of other members about what to look for in a ZMA (used). I'll search for it and repost, everyone can keep adding to that.

Edit : Found it - searching is a big task

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1026131

Plenty of suggestions in the thread, but a few quick tips.
1) Check for tappet noise (sewing machine sort of noise)
2) Check if the engine revs freely (the ZMA/ZMR engine is very smooth)
3) Check the body for rusting anywhere. Silencers usually rust, so don't worry about that.
4) Check bike condition
5) Fairing - if they're broken, it'll be expensive to replace them. Put a slight bit of pressure on ALL fairing parts and see if they are broken in any manner. If so, check if they're fixable with Araldite, else it's a no-no.
6) Brake Disc - if it's got lines on it, the previous owner let the brakes run down to the metal.
7) Tyres - Stock or newer? Check if there are cracks in the tyres. If so, you need to get them replaced.
8) Battery - check self start. If it works ok, look for any dimming in the console when applying the starter/turning on headlamp.
9) Check for smoothness of the clutch and smooth gear shifts. If there's a clanking noise, be sure to turn to your friendly neighbourhood mechanic to verify any odd sounds.
10) Check whether all indicators, rear lamp, pilot lamp, headlight and horn are working OK. If anything does not work, verify whether it's a wiring issue or a component issue. They are easy to replace and cheap, but wiring isn't.
11) Paint quality should be good, with minimal scratches. That can tell you a lot about how the previous owner used the bike.
12) Check the ODO, and see if the speedometer is working. If not, the bike might have run for much longer, running with a broken speedo cable.
13) Check chain for slackness, and see where the chain wear indicator marks are. If it's run down to the right, you might need to invest in a new chain/sprocket set.
14) Check for looseness or rattles anywhere while taking a test ride. If anything seems out of the ordinary, bring it to the notice of the mechanic you take along for the ride.
15) MOST important. The papers should be in order, insurance should be there, and you should remember to transfer the bike to your name ASAP. You would need the help of an RTO agent for that, but do not avoid that.
16) Good luck.

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Would appreciate other riders chipping in as well (for both used/new bikes).
Another thing I'd like to point out is that I came across many posts in my 'search', I reiterate, this thread is amazing, there is such a lot of information. If one gets time, please ensure you start reading this thread from the beginning. Though it's longer than "War and Peace", it's a more fruitful read (no offence to Tolstoy

).

Some gems I came across again!

Originally posted by psr View Post

The ZMA is a reliable bike,but like everything else in life, needs timely periodic attention..It is not a Two stroke bike ....and tampering with it without adequate knowledge will DEFINITELY lead to misery...with ZMA and everything else in life.

Originally posted by psr View Post

So now you are learning through somebody else's bike and experience !.....undo whatever you had done to get back to stock condition.....do not share an opinion/ advise/ DIY UNLESS you are sure of the basics.

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

You are welcome to discuss the issues however, try to determine the gravity of it to understand if that is show stopper.
I'm not saying that you should not have quest for knowledge. However, it looks like every other day, you have some problem with your ride which is very sad. Had you continued for a week would have advised to change to some other bike. Anyone visiting ZMA ownership thread or someone want to know about ZMA before buying would reconsider his decision.

**undergroundrider** · 02-21-2014, 06:32 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by AK3D View Post

I believe there was a rough checklist posted by myself and a couple of other members about what to look for in a ZMA (used). I'll search for it and repost, everyone can keep adding to that.

Edit : Found it - searching is a big task

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1026131

Thanks for that exhaustive list, however I have decided to invest in a new "R" so I actually needed prerequisites for PDI so that i don't get a faulty bike

**SriramEfunds** · 02-21-2014, 08:43 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

After reading opinions, experiences and talks with members around, decided to stick with stock tyre MRF Zapper FS 2.75x18 for my zma front wheel. I may have hurried my decision, hut did not have any negatives against the stock tyre. Also, please take a look at the tyre pic...it is never mentioned 'tube type' on the tyre which I usually find on my M45. Also, the tyre wall has some distinct material at the edge and colored reddish.

Also, can ZMA run on 3.25 18 profile and google chart says it equivalent to 100/90. Just curious. Any help appreciated.

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Question:-1 - Is this how MRF Zapper FS looks?
Question:-2 - Is 3.25x18 good enough size for the rear wheel?

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**ravi@17bhp** · 02-21-2014, 09:28 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

Question:-1 - Is this how MRF Zapper FS looks?
Question:-2 - Is 3.25x18 good enough size for the rear wheel?

1. Yes (strange that you don't know how FS looks)
2. 3.25 = ~83mm; Stock is 100 mm. Do you want me to describe how an 83mm tire looks on ZMA?

**SriramEfunds** · 02-21-2014, 09:52 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

1. Yes (strange that you don't know how FS looks)
2. 3.25 = ~83mm; Stock is 100 mm. Do you want me to describe how an 83mm tire looks on ZMA?

Ravi, with regards to the Question #1. You'll need to read the quoted message where I have asked why there is a reddish color around the tyre wall. (sorry, if I had missed to make my post a bit clear)

Question #2 - I went through the website where the chart gave the figure 100/90(metric) = 3.25/3.50(Inch), so that would anyways discuss it here.

Motorcycle Tire Size Conversion, Speed Ratings, Load Ratings Chart - webBikeWorld

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