Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

most of the problem can be self diagonsed.
Check air filter if it is clogged,also open left side middle panel where carb is located
and check the air hose pipe is properly connected to the carburretor,that pipe might have contracted due to low temperature.
Check engine oil level,when you last changed it?
To check clutch plates,ride till 40kmph in 5th gear
open the throttle wide,and then see how it responds,you can feel that engine is revving but speed is not increasing then clutch plates are at fault.

In your case there could be many possibilities
when temp goes below 0 degree
dont know what might get freezed.

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

How to Remove the front fairing of zma v1?
Can we do it without going to a mechanic?

2007 Karizma charging problem

Hi Everyone,

I have a 2007 Karizma using Exide 7A battery (2 yrs old) and recently observed that the battery was becoming weak with each passing day. After couple of days, the self start completely stopped working so I gave my battery for charging in a battery shop. After checking they told me that the battery is not of use anymore and I need to get a new one.

Being curious to find the root cause, I tested the no-load voltage of the battery while still connected to the bike and it was showing 11.5v and when self motor is used it went down to 8-9v. Interestingly, I disconnected the battery, used kick-start to start the bike and tested the voltage being output at the red and black cables of the bike and it showed only 2V DC. Is this the cause for the battery not getting charged properly in the first case? What is the normal voltage output at the red and black cables while the battery is disconnected and engine still running?

Does anyone have experience on how to check the alternator and rectifier of Karizma?

Please help.

Thanks,
Ajay

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Removing is easy, but putting it back is difficult. unless you have done it earlier.
You need someone who worked on fairings of Zma to get this done. Why you want to finger a fiber part which is so expensive?

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

oil leak problem solved??

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Om1234, as I said, the bike was not with me. Will try to do something tomorrow.

Whether to rebore or to go for a new Clyinder Piston kit on my Karizma R 2012?

My Karizma R bought in June 2012 is giving me tantrums of all sorts. The engine sounds very harsh with a constant sound of khat-khat. The engine feels lifeless and there is a certain power loss. It is eating up a lot of engine oil. Like 300 ML within a ride of 200 kms. White smoke is being emitted by the muffler. I have consulted two-three mechanics and all say different things. One says the noise (khat-khat) is due to worn out Cam rocker arms and the other says half engine job needs to be done. He is quoting Rs. 3000/- for a job that will include piston, timing chain and valve work. The other quotes Rs. 3000/- for piston, timing chain, valves and clutch plates.

Am pretty confused whether to go for this half engine overhaul or to sell it off. This bike is close to my heart and I simply don’t want to sell it. What shall I do so that my beast gets back to its original self. Will getting the half engine job done make it as good as new? I don’t have the time and money to go to the mechanic again and again. I want this whole procedure to be done at once.

Re: Whether to rebore or to go for a new Clyinder Piston kit on my Karizma R 2012?

Hi Abi, sorry to hear about your Karizma. Power loss, Oil consumption and smoke from muffler are sure sign off damaged piston rings.
What type of engine breaking\running procedure did you follow?

Regarding to make a decision to complete the work or sell of the bike, I was also in the same dilemma when I had a repeated fork seal leaking issue.

I could have sold it off to 35-40 thousands and then took a loan to buy KTM D390 (Anything below 225 cc is not acceptable). I decided to fix the oil seals before selling the bike. After lot of frustration, some DIY and multiple visits to ASCs, my bike has turned out better than it used to feel.

In Parallel I did research on EMI, maintenance cost etc for KTM. It didn't take me much time to realize fixing the Karizma turned out to be a cheaper affair. Plus the current quality issues of KTM did not help in any way.

Fork seals are a minor issue w.r.t to engine work. The money and time you put to fix the engine might go well (depends upon the skills of the mechanic and availability of the parts) or bad. Unfortunately it is a decision that you have to take for yourself my friend.

Re: Whether to rebore or to go for a new Clyinder Piston kit on my Karizma R 2012?

all above symtoms ,mainly white smoke concludes you should do half engine work
I also did that last year costed the same 3000rs.After that run in period came in and i took proper care of my bike for 2000kms.
Since then it the engine has become niggle free,and all going well.

If you sell you wont get good value because of white smoke being visible to everyone.
I would suggest doing half engine work ,and start your bike with new heart.

Re: Whether to rebore or to go for a new Clyinder Piston kit on my Karizma R 2012?

regarding on query of reboring or new piston kit
first come the price ,new piston kit would add around 2500rs to overhaul
In rebore the mechanic would put prefferably usha pistons (which are best),
In difference in riding it would be the same
same pickup,average ,ride quality.
But there you would be missing a feel ,on reboring which comes only on a new piston kit.
In my case i got it rebored ,no issues with engine as i said earlier ,and enjoying my ride.

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Body fiver cranking , what is supposed to do? Also new to repairing will any one suggest wrench set that lasts long enough

Re: Whether to rebore or to go for a new Clyinder Piston kit on my Karizma R 2012?

Thank you for your suggestion. I would be doing the half engine job within this week and would make sure that the work is done infront of me. What was the run in period in your case? In mine, the mechanic says atleast 700 kms. Also one mechanic told me to ride solo. Will riding with a pillion cause problems?
Well I live in a hilly area, and the at some places there are quite a steep slope? Will you advise me for a specific procedure?
Also while getting the half engine work done, what all should be changed or worked upon?

Re: Whether to rebore or to go for a new Clyinder Piston kit on my Karizma R 2012?


Well I want to keep my bike and I have made my mind on it. In its lifespan of 6 years and odo clocked at 53k, with being abused continuously throughout its life, this is the first time I would be spending so much money on my steed. Only the tyres, clutch wire and the clutch plates and the tail light bulbs have been changed. Odo has gone kaput now and since am currently living in a remote area of Uttarakhand, there is no one who knows how to fix a digital meter.
Well I would go for the engine work and fix all the other niggles at once. Then I will notice how it behaves after fixing all those issues. If it keeps on giving me problems after problems and if I have to spend more than 2500 on an yearly basis, I will sell it off. But with a Heavy Heart

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Your problems are quite specific, just blatantly changing valves, timing chain etc won't be of much use. I am assuming (based on your own replies) that you mostly drive at high rpm's, heavily accelerating from low rpm's like 2000 or 3000, drive at high rpm's with a cold engine, you don't idle the engine for 1-2 minutes to allow the engine to warm up nicely. Hence, all these engine problems are occurring at just 53000 kms of running.

First check whether you need new clutch plates or not. Drive in 3rd gear, release the throttle completely and let the speed fall to 1-12 kmph then try to accelerate immediately with a heavy twist. If the engine doesn't knock horribly (i mean bike picks up speed slowly but without any hiccups or knocking) then & ONLY THEN you should change your clutch plates.

I am not entirely sure about the khat khat noise, but it can't be the cam rockers, they rarely need replacement. The valves may have been bent and disfigured resulting in the khat khat noise. That would need a complete valve kit change.

Piston rings are definitely gone, that's the reason for consumption of engine oil and white smoke. Reboring with a new pison and rings is the cheaper option. I would suggest changing complete block piston kit and replace with genuine Hero parts. Also buy NGK G-Power spark plug for karizma, it gives slightly better combustion and low end torque. Don't go for the NGK Iridium ones, they are as useless in karizma as a turbo booster!

In reality, you are at the mercy of the mechanic. If the mechanic is trustworthy and not greedy, he will guide you to change only the necessary parts. But if he is greedy and looking to increase revenue of the service center, he will try to change a lot of parts together with expensive labor charges.

Once you get all this engine work done, follow running-in procedure meticulously. Till 1000 kms, drive below 5000 rpm but not at the same rpm constantly, keep varying the rpm's slowly. Also warm up the engine at idle rpm, don't rev it in order to save time (I idle 1 minute during summer and 2-3 minutes during winter). Even after warming up, drive smoothly at least for 2-3 kms, after that you can drive as you wish.

Re: Whether to rebore or to go for a new Clyinder Piston kit on my Karizma R 2012?

1.The piston/piston rings, use only usha
2.Valves.
3.Polishing of rocker arms
This much would definitely do the job if no other damage is there

In my case ,i installed most of the parts engine new to make all parts work properly and bike could be same as a new bike.
I replaced the above mentioned parts and
rocker arms,timing chain,cam shaft,clutch plates,mainly due to the reason i didnt want to open engine again after half engine work.
I would suggest to replace these consumable parts on a bike on 50k + kms on odo ,so that you dont have to visit workshop again.

The run in period in my case as told by my mechanic(he runs his own workshop now,earlier he worked at hero honda svc for 5-6 years) was 1000kms.
But i streched it to 1500 kms ,so that the piston can be seated properly.
I didnt rode with pillion during these 1500 kms as told by my mechanic.If riding with a pillion is not a neccesity dont opt for it ,and if you have no option then do it atleast after 500km.
I spend a lot on my bike ,so i didnt took any risk with anything, different people would advice you different things,but to be on safer side i didnt ride with pillion(my mechanic told me the same).

Living in hills,i dont think would case problems much ,but dont go on a very steep slope with a pillion, dont go hard on the acclerator ,and make sure it dont cross 4000rpm ,and max speed should be 40-50,with occasional bursts to 60.

Also warm up your bike for 2-3 mins before going for a ride,and someday leave the bike start for 20-30 minutes 2-3 times during run in period.So that piston could sit on properly as on idle there is no load on engine and the piston could facilate normal movement.

Take care as you took of your new bike,and all will go well.