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  • #19111
    Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

    Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
    Sir as we know that the heros original spare parts dont have the same quality as they had earlier
    which clutch plate should i use
    the original hero one,or suggest me some other one please.
    One of the Outside mechanic told me that the CBZ clutch plates are compatible with the ZMA... for non OE plates, we are free chose from many other manufacturers and depending on the area , availability will be the criteria. But my choice would be Bosch available for Rs.200/- on line..

    Bosch F 002 H21 950-8F8 Clutch Plate for Hero Karizma - Set of 5 | FlyBHP.com
    When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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    • #19112
      Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

      Originally posted by psr View Post
      One of the Outside mechanic told me that the CBZ clutch plates are compatible with the ZMA... for non OE plates, we are free chose from many other manufacturers and depending on the area , availability will be the criteria. But my choice would be Bosch available for Rs.200/- on line..

      Bosch F 002 H21 950-8F8 Clutch Plate for Hero Karizma - Set of 5 | FlyBHP.com
      sir have you tried bosch clutch plates in your bike?

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      • #19113
        Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

        Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
        sir have you tried bosch clutch plates in your bike?
        I had done roughly 35,000 Kms on my 2007 ZMA and the stock plates are still doing good..
        When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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        • #19114
          Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

          Originally posted by psr View Post
          I had done roughly 35,000 Kms on my 2007 ZMA and the stock plates are still doing good..
          Can i use original cbz plates in zma?
          if yes between that and bosch which one would perform better?

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          • #19115
            Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

            Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
            Can i use original cbz plates in zma?
            if yes between that and bosch which one would perform better?
            With Hero parts dwindling in Quality I would go with the Bosch plates since they are known for quality..
            When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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            • #19116
              Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

              Originally posted by b16h22 View Post
              Hey guys. Just an update on the hunt for replacements of chipped gears. I've managed to order and receive the parts from thesparescompany.com for the second time. It took longer (about 8 days) because the parts were difficult to source even for them but their customer service responded promptly when needed. At least I can re assemble the engine now after 4 months of waiting

              Good to see someone stocking karizma parts. Dealers are clueless about parts and service. Just checked the website and a lot of parts are listed.

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              • #19117
                Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                Originally posted by purple_haze View Post
                I think my idle RPM is already that. Any clue as to why this is happening? I also get a air ejection burst sound when I turn the engine back on.
                Check for air leaks around carb manifold if nothing is found dont worry much. Just use choke during cold start. In search of cold start problem i opened carb adjusted valves checked for leaks but no avail. [emoji1]
                Last edited by sloth; 03-12-2018, 03:09 PM.

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                • #19118
                  Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                  Originally posted by psr View Post
                  With Hero parts dwindling in Quality I would go with the Bosch plates since they are known for quality..
                  Drive in 3rd gear, release the throttle completely and let the speed fall to 1-12 kmph then try to accelerate immediately with a heavy twist. If the engine doesn't knock horribly (i mean bike picks up speed slowly but without any hiccups or knocking) then & ONLY THEN you should change your clutch plates.


                  Sir is this method correct?

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                  • #19119
                    Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                    Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
                    Drive in 3rd gear, release the throttle completely and let the speed fall to 1-12 kmph then try to accelerate immediately with a heavy twist. If the engine doesn't knock horribly (i mean bike picks up speed slowly but without any hiccups or knocking) then & ONLY THEN you should change your clutch plates.


                    Sir is this method correct?
                    Knocking is due to pre ignition and has nothing to do with clutch plates...To check clutch slip, go to Top gear and drive slowly at 40 Kmph..now accelerate fast and see if the RPM jumps, WITHOUT INCREASE in the Speed..ie., RPM increases fast and speed lags behind very much..For ZMA the ratio of RPM Vs speed on top gear is 15 Kmph for every 1,000 RPM...a little lag is acceptable, but if it is more than 1,000 RPM vs indicated speed and RPM keeps rising without appreciable increase in speed, it is a sure indication of clutch slip.
                    When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                    • #19120
                      Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                      Originally posted by psr View Post
                      Knocking is due to pre ignition and has nothing to do with clutch plates...To check clutch slip, go to Top gear and drive slowly at 40 Kmph..now accelerate fast and see if the RPM jumps, WITHOUT INCREASE in the Speed..ie., RPM increases fast and speed lags behind very much..For ZMA the ratio of RPM Vs speed on top gear is 15 Kmph for every 1,000 RPM...a little lag is acceptable, but if it is more than 1,000 RPM vs indicated speed and RPM keeps rising without appreciable increase in speed, it is a sure indication of clutch slip.
                      Sir These brand plates are available other than stock in my area
                      1.MAKINO
                      2.USHA
                      3.ENDURANCE
                      4.DASY
                      5.OSHINO
                      6.SKF
                      and the last one is BOSCH which you suggested
                      Sir among these which would perform the best?
                      Also like rtr disk pads are direct fit in zma ,is there any clutch plate of another company which is direct fit for zma?

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                      • #19121
                        Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                        Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
                        Sir These brand plates are available other than stock in my area
                        1.MAKINO
                        2.USHA
                        3.ENDURANCE
                        4.DASY
                        5.OSHINO
                        6.SKF
                        and the last one is BOSCH which you suggested
                        Sir among these which would perform the best?
                        Also like rtr disk pads are direct fit in zma ,is there any clutch plate of another company which is direct fit for zma?
                        In order of preference..
                        1. BOSCH
                        2.USHA / SKF
                        3.MAKINO
                        4. ENDURANCE
                        I do not know about others...
                        Do not use RTR pads for front disc ,since they contain steel particles, which will score the disc plate.. You can try sourcing sintered pads of Ninja 250 from Aliexpress which will be about 600 only, and is VFM since it works well in wet conditions also..I am using it presently for the last 3 k kms in my ZMA. with no set back, and my braking is superior...A mechanic told me the CBZ clutch plates are compatible with ZMA, though I do not have confirmation ...
                        Good Luck..
                        When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                        • #19122
                          Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                          Originally posted by psr View Post
                          In order of preference..
                          1. BOSCH
                          2.USHA / SKF
                          3.MAKINO
                          4. ENDURANCE
                          I do not know about others...
                          Do not use RTR pads for front disc ,since they contain steel particles, which will score the disc plate.. You can try sourcing sintered pads of Ninja 250 from Aliexpress which will be about 600 only, and is VFM since it works well in wet conditions also..I am using it presently for the last 3 k kms in my ZMA. with no set back, and my braking is superior...A mechanic told me the CBZ clutch plates are compatible with ZMA, though I do not have confirmation ...
                          Good Luck..
                          Yes they are comptaible,in case of aftermarket products,when we ask for karizma clutch plate
                          they give the one with cbz written on it.
                          Now i am confused between bosch and original cbz plates,which one to use.
                          Would there be a difference in clutch plates of a 150cc bike and a 223cc one?

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                          • #19123
                            Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                            Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
                            Yes they are comptaible,in case of aftermarket products,when we ask for karizma clutch plate
                            they give the one with cbz written on it.
                            Now i am confused between bosch and original cbz plates,which one to use.
                            Would there be a difference in clutch plates of a 150cc bike and a 223cc one?
                            Only the application of the plates are different in CBZ and ZMA...In CBZ I feel the plates last longer than ZMA due to difference in Torque and power delivery. So there being no significant difference a CBZ set will work as well in ZMA. On the other hand the Bosch plates are supposed to be for ZMA...I don't know if again it is a marketing gimmick ..
                            When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                            • #19124
                              Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                              Originally posted by psr View Post
                              Only the application of the plates are different in CBZ and ZMA...In CBZ I feel the plates last longer than ZMA due to difference in Torque and power delivery. So there being no significant difference a CBZ set will work as well in ZMA. On the other hand the Bosch plates are supposed to be for ZMA...I don't know if again it is a marketing gimmick ..
                              Giving bosch clutch plates a try then,lets see how it goes. Ordered them online ,would take 10 days to arrive.
                              Fingers Crossed till then.
                              Last edited by Om1234; 03-18-2018, 06:47 PM.

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                              • #19125
                                Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                                Originally posted by psr View Post
                                Only the application of the plates are different in CBZ and ZMA...In CBZ I feel the plates last longer than ZMA due to difference in Torque and power delivery. So there being no significant difference a CBZ set will work as well in ZMA. On the other hand the Bosch plates are supposed to be for ZMA...I don't know if again it is a marketing gimmick ..
                                Sir order is cancelled,they said that the part is not available ,will refund money in few days.

                                Now i am confused what to do next.

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