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  • Originally posted by pabi View Post
    Guys i am having a strange prob [atleast to me]. My bike's RPM goes up when ever i press clutch and throttle to zero. RPM rises from the present level to 500-1000 rpm and then comes down slowly. Suppose i am in 4th gear @ 40 kmph when i try to change the gear @ 3K rpm [clutched pressed fully , throttle to zero ] it rises to 4K then comes down slowly to idle rpm , clutch is fuly engaged no throttle at all not even touched the gear lever this happens at all RPM levels .

    This does not happen when bike is in neutral, in neutral when i rise the throttle and leave throttle it comes to idle rpm normally. Also when bike is in neutral rpm varies from 1250 to 2250 it fluctuates between this range. If its prob with carb then this[rising of RPM] should happen even when bike is in neutral. If i suspect the clutch cable then why is rpm fluctuating heavily .

    Also few days back i cleaned the air filter i saw oil inside air filter box , what does this mean by any chance can oil come from carb to this box.

    Any body faced this issue earlier, to me is seems a combo of clutch and unclean carb. Gurus please help me on this.
    guys i gave my bike for servicing to resolve this issue, all other minor probs are resolved but main prob mentioned above is still there.. even service guys are unable to identify this.. they asked one more day to get the cause identified .. guys did any one of you had a similar issue, help me out .
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    • Originally posted by kkrk2 View Post
      The best ever KMPL figures for my ZMA, I got was yesterday!!! Its freaking 52kmpl or (was it 46kmpl??) that too with a pillion!!!! If the reserve is 2L, then it is 52 or if it is 1.8 then FE is 46!!
      I am still could not believe it returned that much!! (made me feel, my purchase of a used bike from a fellow bhpian was a paisa wassol transaction!!)

      Here is a brief about the route taken and speeds:

      Took the bike out of Coimbatore(CBE) Railway station parcel section(I have brought my ZMA from Hyd to CBE). The fuel was completely drained out in Hyderabad.
      Filled around 30/- (0.48L) of petrol which I got in a bottle to the CBE station. Trip meter reading (20KM).

      Onward ride:
      Went couple of km, filled 200/- (3.12L) of petrol in the tank. Took the Avinash Road went to went to Avinashi. The speeds I did was between 55-75 kmph in the fifth gear for 30% of the distance and later it was mostly 40 to 55 kmph in 4th gear(because of traffic) with once in a while up-shifting to 5th gear. Distance to Avinashi was around 45km. I think another 1 or 2 KM local riding.

      Return ride:
      I had Suru (coimb xbhpian) as a pillion and to drop him at his home, we took a different route - Avinashi to Annur to Sarvanampatti to Hopes college thats around 50km mostly(90%) at speed 55 to 75kmph in 5th gear and once in a while(I think 10%) 30 to 40 in 3rd gear whenever we passed through a village or in the city. Just before Sarvanmpatti, the bike hit the reserve and the trip meter reading was 103.3km.

      Calculations:
      Petrol Filled: 3.6L (approx)
      Distance traveled till reserve = 103 - 20 = 83KM
      If the reserve is 2L, then the fuel consumed is 1.6L and the FE is 52KMPL or if the reserve is 1.8L then the fuel consumed is 1.8L and the FE is 46kmpl!!



      PS: I did so much of typing because I dont want people to jump to conclusion that ZMA can return 50kmpl and the FE figures depend on riding style and traffic conditions!!
      Hey! What did you do to my ex-baby? I never got those mileage figures with it.
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      • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
        Hey! What did you do to my ex-baby? I never got those mileage figures with it.
        Just gave it some fresh Coimbatore air!!!
        And yeah may be complete draining helped the bike understand what starving is and learned to live on lesser fuel!!!!........... lol

        BTW, I got the rear wheel properly set, earlier it used to touch on one side now it rotates freely(thanks to an air filling guy at IOC petrol in Narayanguda!!)

        For the next round, I am planing to see how many KMs will it log if I run the bike till the entire fuel tank is consumed, of-course, i have bottle with petrol in the tank bag


        @ravi, I guess you read this part:

        Originally posted by kkrk2 View Post
        The best ever KMPL figures for my ZMA, I got was yesterday!!! Its freaking 52kmpl or (was it 46kmpl??) that too with a pillion!!!! If the reserve is 2L, then it is 52 or if it is 1.8 then FE is 46!!.....
        and this:
        Originally posted by kkrk2 View Post
        PS: I did so much of typing because I dont want people to jump to conclusion that ZMA can return 50kmpl and the FE figures depend on riding style and traffic conditions!!
        Last edited by kkrk2; 01-27-2011, 06:30 PM.
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        • Originally posted by kkrk2 View Post
          Just gave it some fresh Coimbatore air!!!
          And yeah may be complete draining helped the bike understand what starving is and learned to live on lesser fuel!!!!........... lol

          BTW, I got the rear wheel properly set, earlier it used to touch on one side now it rotates freely(thanks to an air filling guy at IOC petrol in Narayanguda!!)

          For the next round, I am planing to see how many KMs will it log if I run the bike till the entire fuel tank is consumed, of-course, i have bottle with petrol in the tank bag


          @ravi, I guess you read this part:



          and this:
          Lol! I read your post completely. The ZMA's usable reserve is 2L (as stated in manual). Never really tested (intentionally) how much is there in the reserve. Also, great to know that the rear rubber is in good shape now.

          P.S.: Please change the handle bar at least now.
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          • is karizma R also capable of giving that much mileage? i never got more than 40-42 kmpl, and i shift gears at 3k.
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            • Originally posted by anmol_1990 View Post
              is karizma R also capable of giving that much mileage? i never got more than 40-42 kmpl, and i shift gears at 3k.
              Yup! I did it riding single. You need nerve of steel though.

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              • I got first time 42 KMS and last time I got 56KM.. but than I havent checked the average..

                this pic show that.. after reserver.. i just filled the petrol same time.. than when i got reserve i took this photo

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                • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                  ...... Also, great to know that the rear rubber is in good shape now.
                  Nazar laggayi tumharee!!! The rear tyre had a puncture yesterday and the shitty moron who runs a shop (not a shack!!!) for tyre puncture repair, though repaired the puncture made a big mess-up while removing and re-fitting the rear tyre. Now I have to take the bike to a competent guy. I dont know what all is screwed apart from the rear tyre now rubbing(i can feel the rubbing in my heart ) to the chain gaurd

                  P.S.: Please change the handle bar at least now.
                  I did a ride of around 100km on 26th with a pillion, I didn't feel the necessity to change the handle other than just some muscle flexing to straighten the handle

                  Originally posted by anmol_1990 View Post
                  is karizma R also capable of giving that much mileage? i never got more than 40-42 kmpl, and i shift gears at 3k.
                  I up-shift at 4000 to 4500 rpm. But FE also depends on:
                  1. the way you twist the throttle - is progressively increasing or just twisting in fraction of second, also I never twist the accelerator more than 60%!! I think I did the complete twisting only once that too in the third gear! (doing it in the first and second gear will put lot of pressure on the engine!!)
                  2. how often do you need to overtake the vehicle in-front of you and what speed the vehicle in-front of you is going at?
                  3. other things like the quality of fuel, the condition of carburetter, rolling friction of the axles, the tyre pressure, the suspension set-up, the break drums and calipers, the tyre and wheel sizes, of-course the maintenance of the engine and last but not the least is the AIR - the pollution in the air and the density of air and there could be many other factors!!!

                  Originally posted by rakeshr View Post
                  I got first time 42 KMS and last time I got 56KM.. but than I havent checked the average..

                  this pic show that.. after reserver.. i just filled the petrol same time.. than when i got reserve i took this photo

                  Fantastic FE figure there Rakesh!! Thats the best I have ever heard off!!!

                  My zeus was not consistent with numbers when done with reserve to reserve funda. Once I got 72 and once I got 48!!! Sometimes 50 to 55 and sometimes around 60. Mind you these figures I mentioning are from sane riding only!! And with my ZMA, I got anywhere between 36 to 45 before. This is the first time I got 52!!!


                  NOTE: A more holistic () FE figure is achieved only after calculating the average of the entire history of fueling of a bike. A similar thing was done by a member from teambhp for his car and he maintained the entire record in a excel sheet for the total years of ownership........... phew!!! one heck of a patience he has!!
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                  • Originally posted by pabi View Post
                    guys i gave my bike for servicing to resolve this issue, all other minor probs are resolved but main prob mentioned above is still there.. even service guys are unable to identify this.. they asked one more day to get the cause identified .. guys did any one of you had a similar issue, help me out .
                    Guess you took the bike today. Just met arun. I know the problem is'nt resolved yet. But how much better is it than before?

                    @kkrk2

                    Guess the petrol tank, carb and engine are having language problem ever since you shifted to TN :P
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                    • Originally posted by onlinesatish View Post
                      ......
                      Guess the petrol tank, carb and engine are having language problem ever since you shifted to TN :P
                      Problem?? What problem??? I love their language of "high FE"!!!!
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                      • Originally posted by rakeshr View Post
                        I got first time 42 KMS and last time I got 56KM.. but than I havent checked the average..

                        this pic show that.. after reserver.. i just filled the petrol same time.. than when i got reserve i took this photo

                        When you thought you entered reserve, you must have encountered fake reserve, happened to me twice, amazingly i clocked higher than 60 kmpl, so i figured something was fishy, i realized it later when it happened the 2nd time.

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                        • Originally posted by kkrk2 View Post
                          ......
                          My zeus was not consistent with numbers when done with reserve to reserve funda. Once I got 72 and once I got 48!!! Sometimes 50 to 55 and sometimes around 60. Mind you these figures I mentioning are from sane riding only!! And with my ZMA, I got anywhere between 36 to 45 before. This is the first time I got 52!!!.....
                          Originally posted by dineshsamtani View Post
                          When you thought you entered reserve, you must have encountered fake reserve, happened to me twice, amazingly i clocked higher than 60 kmpl, so i figured something was fishy, i realized it later when it happened the 2nd time.
                          Exactly my thoughts!!! Thats why planned for a second round, this time continue riding till I finish the petrol in the fuel tank.

                          Another way, i think I can try is to empty the tank into a bottle and see how much fuel is left over. But I need a measuring beaker/bottle!!
                          Originally posted by kkrk2 View Post
                          ......
                          For the next round, I am planing to see how many KMs will it log if I run the bike till the entire fuel tank is consumed, of-course, i have bottle with petrol in the tank bag
                          ....
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                          • Originally posted by onlinesatish View Post
                            Guess you took the bike today. Just met arun. I know the problem is'nt resolved yet. But how much better is it than before?
                            yeah i took it today, well it reduced a bit on lower RPMs but slightly [ or is it my feeling ? ] but on major RPM range its the same. today i observed one more thing i reduced the idle RPM as it was in the range of 1500-1750 when i was reducing , engine for a second went out of life and back it was like spark plug went without spark , this happened few times. I also feel my bikes engine sound is a bit rough than others this is just by listening to other zmaR sound . Something to do with clutch ? Icing on the cake is engine is heating up, can feel it near my legs .
                            on 4 wheels u feel the speed after a crash, 2 wheelers are much more advanced

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                            • Originally posted by pabi View Post
                              yeah i took it today, well it reduced a bit on lower RPMs but slightly [ or is it my feeling ? ] but on major RPM range its the same. today i observed one more thing i reduced the idle RPM as it was in the range of 1500-1750 when i was reducing , engine for a second went out of life and back it was like spark plug went without spark , this happened few times.
                              I guess you were reducing the RPMs immediately after a cold start. Am I right??
                              Reducing the idle RPM after the bike has run for some KMs would make it simpler and easier to you to do it. My bike idles between 900 to 1100 when cold and at 1200 when warmed up and even after a ride of 50km!!

                              Also I have observed that if the idle RPMs are adjusted after doing some riding(read it as engine is at optimal working temperature) would make the mixture lean(or something like that!!) and bike tends to switch off when started in the morning(cold starting issue!!). So using the choke would help you start the engine without any trouble. I dont know about others, I continue to ride for 50m with the choke on and without using the accelerator cable for some distance and then release the choke. The bike settles to a lovely beat and the idle RPMs between 900 to 1100.


                              Originally posted by pabi View Post
                              I also feel my bikes engine sound is a bit rough than others this is just by listening to other zmaR sound . Something to do with clutch ?
                              Hmmm... for the sound you definitely need a competent guy with a trained ears to locate the trouble. But engine sound and the clutch!!! I have never heard about such a connection. BTW, I have noticed the sound varies a bit with different oils!!
                              But if the clutch is in bad condition, you would face jerking!!


                              Originally posted by pabi View Post
                              Icing on the cake is engine is heating up, can feel it near my legs .
                              That icing is for other ZMA/ZMA-R owners too!!! So just feel the heat!!!
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                              • Guys...I needed some tips on maintaining the bike...I have had the bike for over 6yrs now but never learnt any DIY..never even checked the tire pressure myself..

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