I think the karizma-r comes with splendor or passion small one and ZMR comes with bigger cone set like GLAMOUR/CD-deluxe/passion pro/splendor pro/hunk.
If you are changing from outside then please use SKF racer with cage type ball. For old splendor model skf comes with two types of racer:-
1. Normal one like hero Honda- The balls are fitted on the racer.-Rs.230
2. Cage model- It is like GLAMOUR model but smaller size like splendor. In this the balls are fitted in a plastic cage and then on the racer and believe me i have fitted this in my Joy and the handle rotates so smooth that you will feel that there is no resistance.- Rs.320.
Do not go for original as it will not last for even 10,000 km.
Go for cage model as the racer do not wear out even the racer is loose while in the case of without cage if the racer gets loose and immediately not tightened then say good bye to racer.
If you can wait till tomorrow then i can post the part number of Skf cone set.
Do not use original instead those Rs.100 racer from Top last longer than original.
And Rs.400 labor charge is ridiculous as in this only the front wheel and shock absorber will be removed from body and the t-stem will be opened. Usually my mechanic charges Rs.100 for it and sometimes i open it on my own if i get free time.
One way of knowing the cone set model is by looking at the chassis where the T-stem is fitted and see if the chassis is straight where the racer is fitted or if it is bulging outward like in GLAMOUR. If it is straight then it is old model and if it is bulging then it is new model.See a splendor and splendor pro t- stem to know the difference.
http://www.heromotocorp.com/splendorplus#
http://www.heromotocorp.com/cddeluxe#
Look at the t-stem where lock is fitted. In splendor is straight and in CD deluxe the base where racer is fixed is bulging outwards.

OT:- Anyone here from Mysore?

engine oil

after searching on this forum i came across these engine oils as per my requirement which are much talked about.i am interested to test one of these oils...Which is the best suitable oil for karizma ???
1-motul5100
2-shell ax7
3-shell ax7 ultra
Can anybody provide review on above mentioned oils???

OK, so i will get the one made by SKF

If you can wait till tomorrow then i can post the part number of Skf cone set.
Please take your sweet time and post the SKF bearing number, i will be giving my bike probably next week- money and time schedule problems.

And Rs.400 labor charge is ridiculous as in this only the front wheel and shock absorber will be removed from body and the t-stem will be opened. Usually my mechanic charges Rs.100 for it and sometimes i open it on my own if i get free time.
This 400 rs labour charge for cone set replacement comes from the service centres. The mechanic himself was a Supervisor there, so i cant help myself on that.
One way of knowing the cone set model is by looking at the chassis where the T-stem is fitted and see if the chassis is straight where the racer is fitted or if it is bulging outward like in GLAMOUR. If it is straight then it is old model and if it is bulging then it is new model.See a splendor and splendor pro t- stem to know the difference.


Look at the t-stem where lock is fitted. In splendor is straight and in CD deluxe the base where racer is fixed is bulging outwards.[/QUOTE]
Thankz for the information.

Did a fuel effeciency Ride yesterday.
i filled in 400 rs of petrol in the morning and my Bike Covered 315 kms before the fuel gauge showed reserve, How is it? a mileage of 55km per litre
The speed was between 40-60 and i was very comfortable with my slow cruising.

Karizma seem to remain same from 2003 till now as for as combustion chamber and swirl patterns are concerned. HH had claimed Advanced Swirl Flow System, but the torque,power,and FE remains the same...some post 2011 ZMA give only 26~30 Km FE.
When your engine kit was replaced did you get to see any difference in the piston head shape or in the head itself to justify the ASFS claim ?

The only change i Recollect is i think the Older ZMa's has a Diff CDI and the Spark Strength was different .

Rest Mechanicals all remain the same . except for Made in India Stuff.
Like Disc plate of TATA n etc etc.

Santa

Frankly the first time I ever saw the ZMA's cylinder kit was when I persisted on seeing it after the cylinder kit change, so I have nothing to compare it with.


The ASFS claim was even there on the printed brochure along with another weird speciality which was the red distributor cap, another noted thing was that the new models used a newer Bharat stage thingi which will somehow reduce the pollution,


Sir, could you please describe on how to recognise the ASFS from looking at the piston, cause if I'm lucky then I might get a chance to inspect my zma's piston some time soon. (Am trying to go in for a timing chain and tensioner replacement)

235 sticker job

@ACS ..Congrats, Bike looks exclusive and you are surely going to get inquiries on the road.

Pre R series the CDI had aggressive Ignition mapping ,which gave good peppy performance at the cost of FE, so it was altered and after 2006 the CDIs are passive and Igniton mapping changed.
Apart from that the R series supposed to have one additional clutch plate.

Google and you will learn...in short the piston top will not be flat and a small curved surface will be present,similarly the head where the valves are positioned will also have a wavy curve to produce swirling of AF mix during compression.see the images in the link to get an Idea.
engine swirl head and piston image - Google Search

Hey guys..need your help with brake fluid replacement in my bike.

I got the bike serviced, which included disc pad replacement. But the brakes feel kinda spongy so have decided to bleed the brake fluid myself. The mechanic did say that he changed the brake fluid too but the fluid level is close to the 'lower' mark on master cylinder.

Will now be bleeding and replacing the brake fluid. But had a few doubts:
1. How much quantity of brake fluid does Karizma need? The old model.
2. Can I clean the master cylinder with a damp cloth?
3. Any particular brand that you suggest?

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/do-yours...ng-rtr180.html. There you go. Its RTR, but the procedure is same.