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**Hunternirmal** · 10-07-2018, 01:52 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by falkirk223 View Post

Hello,

I just bought a 2017 Karizma R from a friend. Bike had done just 888kms and I got a too sweet a deal to pass it.

I understand the bike has not been running for a while.

So now when I start the bike, it takes a while to start while kicking it. Using choke does start it, but still needs a few kicks.

Then after at low rpm it seems the bike is struggling for fuel, but my 4 wheeler habit is to keep the tank full.
It jerks till say 3k rpm and then revs clean. But I know the bike is still not run in, so don't want to rev it much.

A couple of biker friends suggested carb and valves as potential issues considering the bike was just standing for a few months.

Any suggestions what could be the issue?

As u say the bike was standing few months it is good to service the crab for smooth performance When u start ur bike in morning run the engine in choke for about 30 to 40 sec ( use the choke slightly too much choke cause high rpm and damages the valves and rockers arms).u can feel the difference try using xtra premium petrol from indian oil

**falkirk223** · 10-07-2018, 10:03 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Thanks for reply.

I got the bike serviced, i.e. change consumables, carb serviced etc. Problem has reduced. But it's not just in the morning. Everytime the bike sits for 1 hour or more the problem happens and I have to use the choke for sometime. Funny thing is, if the bike is sitting in the sun, their is no issue. Behaves normally.

Originally posted by Hunternirmal View Post

As u say the bike was standing few months it is good to service the crab for smooth performance When u start ur bike in morning run the engine in choke for about 30 to 40 sec ( use the choke slightly too much choke cause high rpm and damages the valves and rockers arms).u can feel the difference try using xtra premium petrol from indian oil

**Krishna3450** · 10-07-2018, 10:09 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by falkirk223 View Post

Thanks for reply.

I got the bike serviced, i.e. change consumables, carb serviced etc. Problem has reduced. But it's not just in the morning. Everytime the bike sits for 1 hour or more the problem happens and I have to use the choke for sometime. Funny thing is, if the bike is sitting in the sun, their is no issue. Behaves normally.

Most probably you are running lean.

**rydergeorge** · 10-07-2018, 10:48 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by falkirk223 View Post

Thanks for reply.

I got the bike serviced, i.e. change consumables, carb serviced etc. Problem has reduced. But it's not just in the morning. Everytime the bike sits for 1 hour or more the problem happens and I have to use the choke for sometime. Funny thing is, if the bike is sitting in the sun, their is no issue. Behaves normally.

Your bike is running lean. I had the same problem. I hope you have changed spark plug and cleaned the fuel line. My bike refused to start every morning. I had to use kicker a lot of times. After tuning carb properly and changing spark plug, it starts with one or two kicks in mornings. Sometimes, there is air lock problem. For that, open the tank for a few seconds and thats it.

**vvk1999** · 10-07-2018, 10:51 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by falkirk223 View Post

Thanks for reply.

I got the bike serviced, i.e. change consumables, carb serviced etc. Problem has reduced. But it's not just in the morning. Everytime the bike sits for 1 hour or more the problem happens and I have to use the choke for sometime. Funny thing is, if the bike is sitting in the sun, their is no issue. Behaves normally.

carb is tuned lean , that's why this behaviour.
the company setting is 2 turns anticlockwise [360°] from full tight afr screw setting . Do this if you want to.

**falkirk223** · 10-07-2018, 12:15 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Thanks a lot for info guys. Will work on these

**rydergeorge** · 10-07-2018, 09:07 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by falkirk223 View Post

Thanks a lot for info guys. Will work on these

Be careful when working on carb. Don't use so much force to tight afr screw. It will damage the carb. After fully closing it, 3.5 turns anti clockwise is perfect for zma.

**pratap007** · 10-08-2018, 05:34 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by akheeldelvi View Post

Hello Guys,

I have a 2011 Karizma ZMA and want to change my tyres since I again had the fishtailing experience recently even when I was riding quite slow and braked.. at just about 20-25 kmph in the rain.

I am running stock tyres and want to improve the wet-tarmac riding conditions, and preferably improve some cornering confidence too. Current ODO is about 30K kms.

Please advise.

Thanks,
Akheel Delvi

P.S: I posted my query on the tyre-upgrade thread for the Karizma too. But I find this thread more active, hence re-posting here. Please excuse if you think I shouldn't have done that.

Hi Akheel,

The problem might not be with your tires... as harsh as this sounds it could be your braking. This may sound entirely controversial but in reality all tires behave similarly on a wet road. If you want to improve your wet tarmac riding skills you have to focus and understand where your tire no matter what brand finds grip and never leave that center line. Don't waste money on new tires, Instead read and try to apply riding techniques and most fishtailing can be caught and corrected (as I'm sure you did) Things like that happen and don't let it scare you into thinking changing tires will bring more confidence. Only riding more and overcoming your obstacles can.

Stay in a higher gear
Brake slow and always in a straight line.
Around a corner in the wet imagine the bike as always perpendicular to the road. never try to lean it. (Don't worry you'll still corner fast)
Always always maintain the contact patch and 'feel' the center line of your front.
Losing the rear can mostly be saved, try never to lose your front.
Practice loads of off-road riding when possible. It will build confidence and help you correct jerky impulses.
Take it easy.. we've all been there.
Cheers and happy riding.

- 13 years on the Karizma. Fast in the dry, faster in the wet, fastest when I'm off road. Tires owned - Stock, Pirelli Sports Demon (best for grip), Dunlop Monster (worst), Michelin T-63 (best rear tire), Michelin Siracs (not too bad in my opinion)

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Originally posted by highwayhermit View Post

Hi guys,

Just returned from Spiti and the Karizma Top chain cover cracked from its bolt (near the rear shocker) a few days back, resulting in a lot of rattling noise when going over small potholes/bumps.

Is it a good idea to remove the chain cover altogether? What difference in maintenance will removing chain cover cause?

Please advise. Thanks.

I removed my chain cover in 2006 and have never looked back since. Chain cover is only there to contain that blasted chain noise in my opinion. It's pretty useless. Ridden more than 1,00,000 without a cover. No issues .. just regularly oil it. You can use Motul chain lube but that is extra slick so go easy on it. Extra lubrication will loosen the chain.
Also tried the O-ring chain retorfitted from the P220 (two chains joined to make one as it is short) .. was okay but the extra weight is not worth the hassle or cost. Stay stock .. it's all good. Just regularly clean and oil it.

**Divyanshu0498** · 10-10-2018, 10:43 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Hello guys!
I am Divyanshu new to xbhp, owns a Karizma 2005 (which is under process of engine rebuilding) based out in Dehradun.

**rydergeorge** · 10-19-2018, 02:53 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

My ride.
Fork height increased
Crash guard of hornet 160
Front tyre mrf zapper kurve f 90/90-18
Rear tyre michelin sirac street 110/90-18
Led headlight.

**Shahir** · 10-19-2018, 10:51 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by rydergeorge View Post

My ride.
Fork height increased
Crash guard of hornet 160
Front tyre mrf zapper kurve f 90/90-18
Rear tyre michelin sirac street 110/90-18
Led headlight.[ATTACH]244403[/ATTACH]

Is it possible to increase fork height of honda unicorn too??? And how much did michelin sirac cost?? I have got MRF zapper 110/90-18 on my unicorn

**rydergeorge** · 10-19-2018, 11:54 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by Shahir View Post

Is it possible to increase fork height of honda unicorn too??? And how much did michelin sirac cost?? I have got MRF zapper 110/90-18 on my unicorn

It is possible to increase fork height of every motorcycle. But be careful before doing this. Doing this will affect your bike's handling. Especially while cornering. I've increased just 1.2 inch and the results are good for me. I had a little shoulder and back pain after long rides and now it has gone. The perfect way of increasing fork height is changing to another bike's fork which is taller. But I've added extension inside the fork because buying whole forks are costly. The extension was available with my mechanic (he is an rx specialist and rx guys usually do this fork heightening here). Unicorn and karizma already have good riding posture. So I won't recommend highly altering it. There are guys who have increased fork height for more than three inches for offroading in xbhp. You can check that too. I'm just 5'7 so I cannot increase the height too much. The decision is yours but think thoroughly before it. In my case, I'm happy with it. And go to an experienced mechanic for this.

Sirac street costed me 2400 and extra 200 for making the wheel tubeless. 100 for the valve and 100 for labour. Tyre is a bit heavy and acceleration and top speed has took a hit. But the bike feels more planted at higher speeds and cornering also has become easy.

**ashwinprakas** · 10-19-2018, 12:25 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by rydergeorge View Post

It is possible to increase fork height of every motorcycle. But be careful before doing this. Doing this will affect your bike's handling. Especially while cornering. I've increased just 1.2 inch and the results are good for me. I had a little shoulder and back pain after long rides and now it has gone. The perfect way of increasing fork height is changing to another bike's fork which is taller. But I've added extension inside the fork because buying whole forks are costly. The extension was available with my mechanic (he is an rx specialist and rx guys usually do this fork heightening here). Unicorn and karizma already have good riding posture. So I won't recommend highly altering it. There are guys who have increased fork height for more than three inches for offroading in xbhp. You can check that too. I'm just 5'7 so I cannot increase the height too much. The decision is yours but think thoroughly before it. In my case, I'm happy with it. And go to an experienced mechanic for this.

Extension adapters do cause flex on hard braking or off-roading, do keep an eye out for the same.

Sirac street costed me 2400 and extra 200 for making the wheel tubeless. 100 for the valve and 100 for labour. Tyre is a bit heavy and acceleration and top speed has took a hit. But the bike feels more planted at higher speeds and cornering also has become easy.

Do report on the wet grip, I've run on Sirac's a few years ago and the wet grip was dangerously scary, one tap of the brake and traction would go for a toss, same in the case of cornering, even minimal lean in the wet and you can feel the front end gradually give out.

**rydergeorge** · 10-19-2018, 12:40 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Extension adapters do cause flex on hard braking or off-roading, do keep an eye out for the same.

Do report on the wet grip, I've run on Sirac's a few years ago and the wet grip was dangerously scary, one tap of the brake and traction would go for a toss, same in the case of cornering, even minimal lean in the wet and you can feel the front end gradually give out.

Wet grip is ok. Never had a fishtail on tarmac till now. Was using birla firemaxx and it used to lock every single time I press the brake lever with normal pressure in wet roads. The only time I lost grip after switching to sirac was on a slippery concrete while raining. That too when the tyre was brand new. I guess the tye is ok.
I didn't knew that about extension adapters. I asked the mechanic and some guys who has done it with yamaha rx. Nobody gave me any clue about this. I haven't experienced anything like that till now. Right now, the front suspension is a bit soft. The quantity of fork oil added was 160ml. Can I add a little more oil to make the suspension stiff?

**ashwinprakas** · 10-19-2018, 12:56 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

Originally posted by rydergeorge View Post

Wet grip is ok. Never had a fishtail on tarmac till now. Was using birla firemaxx and it used to lock every single time I press the brake lever with normal pressure in wet roads. The only time I lost grip after switching to sirac was on a slippery concrete while raining. That too when the tyre was brand new. I guess the tye is ok.
I didn't knew that about extension adapters. I asked the mechanic and some guys who has done it with yamaha rx. Nobody gave me any clue about this. I haven't experienced anything like that till now. Right now, the front suspension is a bit soft. The quantity of fork oil added was 160ml. Can I add a little more oil to make the suspension stiff?

Don't add excess oil, just change to a higher grade. I believe Motul fork oils are of a higher grade as I remember users complaining that shifting to Motul had made their front end very stiff, but in your case I guess it might work better.

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