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  • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    C'mon people if you cant take my word on something so simple, then how are you going to believe me when I add turbo or something like that in the future.
    That video was quite explanatory . In my bike the choke doesn't jump back like that ( 100% sure ). But when I checked today morning I noticed on thing, when we push the choke lever back to close it the choke lever moves with far more less effort than pulling it to open it. So I think due to constant use or a loosened lever Ashwins choke pulls back automatically. Whereas my choke lever doesn't go back the reason is too much friction between the lever and the fiber thing just before the handle grip where we connect the mirror and pass switch etc are placed ( sorry don't know the name I hope you guys understood the thing I meant ). With constant use I think it will smoothen out and choke lever starts to jump back like that or else its some kind of defect.
    Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING

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    • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
      Actually am kind of amused by this, cause recently my long lost friend with the silver ZMA(2010) said that its a fault he noted with only my bike and that I should get it rectified immediately.

      In a way am scared I'll spoil my iridiums if I take it out.
      And sir, since you use Iridiums, have you noticed a very very very minor lag in acceleration in 1st gear i.e when we start throttling. Its like after the lag the bike suddenly pops into power..
      How can you spoil the Iridium by taking it out - unless you are that sloppy ??
      Is there a minor lag when compared to other ZMA with normal plugs ? I haven't noticed any particular lag - other than the one that comes with a long stroke bike . I think what you've mentioned is typical of long stroke bikes .
      Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
      Defective piece. Get it replaced asap.

      Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
      Ashwin:- If you are posting counter argument, it is better to keep the fun off the topic and maintain professionalism as there are others apart from xbhphians read this thread.
      When you're posting things like that you (ashwinprakas) can always add words like IMO / IMHO / I think/AFAIK / in my experience/in my bike etc in front of the sentence .
      Choke retracting? - Sorry, I've not heard it at all nor tried mocking at the system.
      Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

      C'mon people if you cant take my word on something so simple, then how are you going to believe me when I add turbo or something like that in the future.
      Now , that is something I've to see to believe . To my knowledge turbo boosters for small capacity engines don't exist currently . Even if you can fit one I'd seriously suggest decreasing the engine capacity or modding the entire chasis setup along with a rear disc conversion .
      Well , may be you said it in a light mood . But I think some sort of super charging is possible . ( My friend once retro fitted a turbo to a Contessa - diesel - said he enjoyed it when he could leave 'powerful' cars behind him ) .
      Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
      In my bike the choke doesn't jump back like that ( 100% sure ). But when I checked today morning I noticed on thing, when we push the choke lever back to close it the choke lever moves with far more less effort than pulling it to open it. So I think due to constant use or a loosened lever Ashwins choke pulls back automatically. Whereas my choke lever doesn't go back ...
      With constant use I think it will smoothen out and choke lever starts to jump back like that or else its some kind of defect.
      @ashwinprakas-The popular opinion seems to be that 'your' bike is/may be defective . Next time at ASC check whether any spring/stopper is missing or broken .

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      • Sorry for the late post

        Day before yesterday I had a short trip of 450 kms. It was a one day trip from my home to Ernakulam and back. Went to see my GF .

        I set out at morning 6am and the got quite an opportunity to test the top speed of the bike. There was no traffic and I opened the throttle and leaned down on the tank. The top speed is some 128 or 127 kmph (The needle was a tinge below the 130 kmph mark). The road was flat, no wind factor and what I said is the speedo reading. The bike easily pulls till 120 and then moderately to the said top speed. Got a feeling that the bike can even do more but its lazy.

        During slight crosswinds at speeds of 110 kmph the bike tends to be unstable. I was travelling at speeds between 85-100 kmph most of the time. Bike is quite comfortable in that speed range.

        What impressed me the most was the impeccable handling. The handling and stability is the best. Wherever I want the bike to go it just obediently goes there. And cornering its good too, I was satisfied. Can't lean too much but still quite satisfactory.

        I filled 10.32 liters of petrol (normal petrol) and covered 394 kms. The suspension is good but the bike tends to dive when applying brakes. The front suspension needs to be bit more stiffer (wish it was adjustable too like the rear shocks ). Riding over potholes and speed breakers was comfortable.

        The little disappointment was when cars overtake me even while I was at speeds of 100kmph. And all the trucks and cars doesn't bother to dim the headlights . And it was easy to overtake vehicles the bike can easily pull ahead with just a twist of the throttle. Good acceleration even when after 90 kmph.

        And above all my GF said she loved to sit on the bike and it was very comfortable . That comment made me damn happy. I set out back at 7pm and reached back at 10:30 pm .

        I am using SAE90 oil for lubing the chain and almost after covering 250 kms at these speeds the chain started to make noise. The oil is good for city use and not for long hours of touring, better shift to grease. Or else have to carry a can of oil along.

        The helmet was a total piece of sh*t ( vega moto cross model) . Really it was paining my head and the visor was a total pain, causing a lot of glare . Honestly 1600 rs gone waste.

        The headlight was good on both beams (55/60w). Not the perfect one but still its anyways better than other bikes on Indian roads. When vehicles come on opposite direction the light is not so good but when alone on road its awesome. Even in rain you can see the road .

        Checked the reflector for any burning issues today morning. Well very very minor issue . For those who want to use 55/60 as headlight try using bosch 55/60 without relay. I am using this brand and relay might increase the output so better don't. Just put the bulb in the stock relay.

        Overall the bike is worth every penny I paid and of course the 20w 40 is the best for touring. The bike had its refinement all day long .
        Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING

        Being In Love with a Girl is like being a superbike fitted with SPEED LIMITER

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        • Originally posted by acs1207 View Post
          How can you spoil the Iridium by taking it out - unless you are that sloppy ??

          Iridiums are hard earned investments, not cause of the cost, but cause of the difficulty of obtaining one(AutoQueen, Kochi). Anyways the thing is, these plugs look very fragile and I doubt dropping it will result in change of gap . Aaah... Anyways am going to take it out sooner or later. Will post pics asap.

          Is there a minor lag when compared to other ZMA with normal plugs ? I haven't noticed any particular lag - other than the one that comes with a long stroke bike . I think what you've mentioned is typical of long stroke bikes .

          I've tested it by swapping with my stock plug and surprisingly the issue doesnt exist with stock plug. Maybe my Iridiums are at fault here, anyways will try swapping it with friends Iridium and test it.

          Now , that is something I've to see to believe . To my knowledge turbo boosters for small capacity engines don't exist currently .

          Think again.



          Even if you can fit one I'd seriously suggest decreasing the engine capacity or modding the entire chasis setup along with a rear disc conversion .

          Planning to do the same after I'm done with some performance upgrades, or if I end up with a wicked spill. I've heard that the ZMR swingarm is compatible with ZMA (Info courtesy - Riders, Kollam).

          Well , may be you said it in a light mood . But I think some sort of super charging is possible . ( My friend once retro fitted a turbo to a Contessa - diesel - said he enjoyed it when he could leave 'powerful' cars behind him ) .

          The turbo was a joke, but am looking for some serious performance upgrades, since the stock setup was real easy outgrowing. Did it within the first 3 months of purchase. In fact I've already contacted Joel and informed him I'll be there the next opportunity I get, Now the only things for me to overcome are my financial and time restrictions.
          And another surprise was that he's also guaranteed completion of work within 24Hours, thats a big plus since most people claim it takes about a month to acquire all the upgrades, guess thats the benefit of directly approaching him.


          @ashwinprakas-[COLOR=DarkRed]The popular opinion seems to be that 'your' bike is/may be defective . Next time at ASC check whether any spring/stopper is missing or broken .

          Okies, but for the time being. Mines perfect.
          Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
          Sorry for the late post

          Day before yesterday I had a short trip of 450 kms. It was a one day trip from my home to Ernakulam and back. Went to see my GF .

          You and your girlfriend live 3 districts apart???

          Guess its time you consider swapping rides.


          I set out at morning 6am and the got quite an opportunity to test the top speed of the bike. There was no traffic and I opened the throttle and leaned down on the tank. The top speed is some 128 or 127 kmph (The needle was a tinge below the 130 kmph mark). The road was flat, no wind factor and what I said is the speedo reading. The bike easily pulls till 120 and then moderately to the said top speed. Got a feeling that the bike can even do more but its lazy.

          Thats just a feeling it wont do more than that , i.e atleast with the current CDI, and BTW if you would've kept the bike at that speed for a while, you could've actually experienced the rev limiter shutting down the bike, its kinda cool when you outgrow your ride, you get the feeling that you've conquered the whole world.

          During slight crosswinds at speeds of 110 kmph the bike tends to be unstable. I was travelling at speeds between 85-100 kmph most of the time. Bike is quite comfortable in that speed range.

          Crosswinds very dangerous, when I first experienced it, I was scared to death. It was shocking how a simple thing as wind could easily sway me+zma(total weighing 260+Kg's). But recently have'nt faced anything like that, maybe due to removing the engine cowl, not sure though.

          What impressed me the most was the impeccable handling. The handling and stability is the best. Wherever I want the bike to go it just obediently goes there. And cornering its good too, I was satisfied. Can't lean too much but still quite satisfactory.

          IIRC, After the R15, the ZMA's the most maneuverable bike on track. And when it comes to normal roads then it can even give the R15 a run for its money.

          I filled 10.32 liters of petrol (normal petrol) and covered 394 kms. The suspension is good but the bike tends to dive when applying brakes. The front suspension needs to be bit more stiffer (wish it was adjustable too like the rear shocks ). Riding over potholes and speed breakers was comfortable.

          You wont be saying that after riding the FZ16 through potholes, I was really satisfied with my ZMA's suspension, but once I rode my friends FZ16 through my college compound, there was an instant spark, been a fan of the FZ16's suspension since then.

          The little disappointment was when cars overtake me even while I was at speeds of 100kmph. And all the trucks and cars doesn't bother to dim the headlights . And it was easy to overtake vehicles the bike can easily pull ahead with just a twist of the throttle. Good acceleration even when after 90 kmph.

          Wont comment about the acceleration much, cause I frankly hate it, but the ZMA's isnt made for that, so doesnt matter.

          Once I cruised with the Collector, he was riding his state Corolla Altis and me my ZMA with pillion. We both were going parallel at 120~125Kmph, He was envying my youth and I his ride.


          And above all my GF said she loved to sit on the bike and it was very comfortable . That comment made me damn happy. I set out back at 7pm and reached back at 10:30 pm .

          Hmmm... So conclusion of the story... You rode 450Kms, just to get a second opinion about your rides comfort??? Sounds desperate.

          The helmet was a total piece of sh*t ( vega moto cross model) . Really it was paining my head and the visor was a total pain, causing a lot of glare . Honestly 1600 rs gone waste.

          I use the same, but without the flap(head goes up when 100+) and with a clear visor. For me its moneys worth, cause that was the only model available that could fit my head.
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          Motorcycling Experience:
          2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
          2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
          2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
          2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
          2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
          2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

          The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
          Adios Comrades!
          A.P. 2018

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          • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
            Sir, here's what I mean.

            2011 ZMA.
            1. Pull choke lever down.
            2. Let go.
            3. Choke lever back to original position.

            Pre-2011 ZMA.
            1. Pull choke lever down.
            2. Let go.
            3. Nothing happens.

            Thats what I meant by retracting, not the other kind of retracting which happens due to stuck cable when we turn the handle.

            Its a cute feature, but with stock AFR setting its hell, cause it takes a lot of trials and idling to make the bike rideable, else as I said, bike cuts off when we throttle.
            Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
            Eh in my bike the choke doesn,t return like that

            Ashwin yesterday and to-day I had been exploring the Auto choke return symptom you had noticed....My bike has this..ie., the choke returns to rest automatically when I let go of the lever and my ZMA is 2007 April.. I tried the same with a friend of mine's 2008 ZMA and it was stuck in actuated position,till it is pushed back...when I opened the left switch assembly and checked the choke lever, the one Marked difference was a steel ball with spring in the choke lever which was missing in mine.....Since my friend wanted the "Auto-return" choke, I applied heat on the steel ball (with soldering iron)and removed it and the spring , and now the choke lever is auto return....

            So the stock choke lever has the ball while the ones opened and closed may not have it....Here is a picture....

            Last edited by psr; 01-06-2012, 11:18 AM.
            When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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            • Originally posted by psr View Post
              Ashwin yesterday and to-day I had been exploring the Auto choke return symptom you had noticed....My bike has this..ie., the choke returns to rest automatically when I let go of the lever and my ZMA is 2007 April.. I tried the same with a friend of mine's 2008 ZMA and it was stuck in actuated position,till it is pushed back...when I opened the left switch assembly and checked the choke lever, the one Marked difference was a steel ball with spring in the choke lever which was missing in mine.....Since my friend wanted the "Auto-return" choke, I applied heat on the steel ball (with soldering iron)and removed it and the spring , and now the choke lever is auto return....

              So the stock choke lever has the ball while the ones opened and closed may not have it....Here is a picture....]
              Wow sir, so that means its actually a flaw.

              Hmmm... Anyways here's what we'll do... Lets delete both our posts, and claim the rest of the bike's are damaged . But jokes apart, my switch assembly is still untouched. My choke used to retract from the first day of purchase. When I noted that Aneesh's doesnt retract, I remember checking it with other bikes at SVC during first service and all bikes from my batch had auto return. Thats why I once again claimed all 2011 ZMA's to have it.

              And comming to think of it, its not a big flaw, infact its an international innovation, IIRC N250R's had auto retracting choke as opposed by the earlier versions which had choke that stuck.

              Anyways its good HH people didnt come to notice it before us, if they had then they'd surely print it in their brochures. Does any one remember the 2011 ZMA's brochure stating that the new model has all the new Red Colored Distributor Cap.
              Motorcycling Experience:
              2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
              2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
              2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
              2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
              2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
              2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

              The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
              Adios Comrades!
              A.P. 2018

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              • Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                The bike easily pulls till 120 and then moderately to the said top speed. Got a feeling that the bike can even do more but its lazy.
                This is due to the Tall 5th gear ratio.
                During slight crosswinds at speeds of 110 kmph the bike tends to be unstable. I was travelling at speeds between 85-100 kmph most of the time. Bike is quite comfortable in that speed range.
                The lower cowl is the reason for this behavior...I had faced this problem in my ZMA-R and had removed it..now even at 110+Kmph with cross,or against winds the karizma is rock steady on the road.

                What impressed me the most was the impeccable handling. The handling and stability is the best. Wherever I want the bike to go it just obediently goes there. And cornering its good too, I was satisfied. Can't lean too much but still quite satisfactory.
                Yeah very soon you will grow tired of ZMA's speed and handling .....it will not cause any anxious moment..except when you have throttle slide stuck or loose contact in CDI connector.
                I am using SAE90 oil for lubing the chain and almost after covering 250 kms at these speeds the chain started to make noise. The oil is good for city use and not for long hours of touring, better shift to grease. Or else have to carry a can of oil along.
                Try mixing Bearing grease and 90 grade oil in 1:0.5 ratio and apply on chain.After applying keep the bike on main stand and start and engage 1st gear...with the rear wheel off the ground idle with engine in 1st gear for 5 minutes,which will rotate the rear wheel slowly and help lube the chain and sprocket properly.

                The helmet was a total piece of sh*t ( vega moto cross model) . Really it was paining my head and the visor was a total pain, causing a lot of glare . Honestly 1600 rs gone waste.
                Try Vega Dominator full face....VFM ,and it is Fiber glass shell

                Overall the bike is worth every penny I paid and of course the 20w 40 is the best for touring. The bike had its refinement all day long .
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                • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                  Wow sir, so that means its actually a flaw.
                  Can't say that....HH might be saving the cost of the ball and spring, and also getting auto return which will ensure users don't ride with choke "ON",and report poor FE and bad bike performance. In our country More people handle other people's bike while waiting ,or on the mobile ,or just having a smoke..ie., you would have seen them twisting the throttle,actuating choke,brakes etc, also sitting on it,...and most irritating thing of all,adjust the rear view mirrors to see their face and do hair styling..
                  In such circumstances the auto return of choke is a boon...
                  When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                  • Originally posted by psr View Post
                    Can't say that....HH might be saving the cost of the ball and spring, and also getting auto return which will ensure users don't ride with choke "ON",and report poor FE and bad bike performance. In our country More people handle other people's bike while waiting ,or on the mobile ,or just having a smoke..ie., you would have seen them twisting the throttle,actuating choke,brakes etc, also sitting on it,...and most irritating thing of all,adjust the rear view mirrors to see their face and do hair styling..
                    In such circumstances the auto return of choke is a boon...
                    Amen . Could'nt have said it any better.

                    Sir, you're right about the opening of switch assembly, take a look.

                    Choke Lever Problem - Won't stay open, springs back
                    Motorcycling Experience:
                    2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                    2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                    2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                    2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                    2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                    2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                    The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                    Adios Comrades!
                    A.P. 2018

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                    • rev limiter

                      Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                      Thats just a feeling it wont do more than that , i.e atleast with the current CDI, and BTW if you would've kept the bike at that speed for a while, you could've actually experienced the rev limiter shutting down the bike, its kinda cool when you outgrow your ride, you get the feeling that you've conquered the whole world.

                      Ashwin, Could you elaborate on the rev limiter. Sorry, if its been discussed before, I must have missed it.
                      I recently rode from Mumbai to Banglore (around 1000 kms) with speed mostly above 110, not once did the bike stall or give any issues as such. Mine is a 2010 model and had completed 20K kms then.
                      You start the game with a full pot o' luck and an empty pot o' experience... The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck.

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                      • Originally posted by Jdsouza81 View Post
                        Ashwin, Could you elaborate on the rev limiter. Sorry, if its been discussed before, I must have missed it.
                        I recently rode from Mumbai to Banglore (around 1000 kms) with speed mostly above 110, not once did the bike stall or give any issues as such. Mine is a 2010 model and had completed 20K kms then.
                        Rev limiter on Karizma comes on about 9K+ RPM...
                        When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                        • installing hid to zma

                          hey guys can i install hid bulb in my zma without projector will it affect my reflector plzz help me with ur rep

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                          • Originally posted by psr View Post
                            Rev limiter on Karizma comes on about 9K+ RPM...
                            Come to think of it, my bike never went above 8k (even if when tried)
                            Last edited by Jdsouza81; 01-06-2012, 12:11 PM. Reason: Post Edited -adding quote
                            You start the game with a full pot o' luck and an empty pot o' experience... The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck.

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                            • Originally posted by Jdsouza81 View Post
                              Come to think of it, my bike never went above 8k (even if when tried)
                              You cannot touch Rev limiter RPMs on 5th due to taller gear ratio,but in 4th you can..though I wouldn't do it..
                              When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                              • Like every ZMA owners, I had an issue with cracked front mudguard and side panels. I had tried using feviquick, but it would not last.
                                With the advise of one of my friend, I filled the cracks with feviquick and cotton. It has held strong since, even through the pothole filled NH66.
                                Has anyone else ever tried the combination of cotton and Feviquick before?
                                You start the game with a full pot o' luck and an empty pot o' experience... The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck.

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