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  • #91
    At the cost of sounding a little crazy, here's a small table based on the current 125 & 200 Dukes to come up with some extrapolated power figures for the possible cc variations of the bigger duke *if* it exists! Adding fuel to the power figure speculation fire

    I've used the power/CC ratio for the 125 and 200 as a baseline and averaged out the possibilities for higher cc variants. Also since with things like this its always too good to be true, so I've factored in a 10% variance to the extrapolated figure to come up with a more real world figure of what could be the possibilities!

    I blame the job for this 5 minutes spent with beloved Excel And also my bike withdrawal symptoms making me a laptop biker for now... LoL

    CC
    		 Power (Extrapolated) Real World Correction (10%) Average of 125/200
    125
    		 15
    		 0.12
    		 0.1225
    200 25 0.125
    300 36.8 33.1
    350 42.9 38.6
    375 46 41.4
    390 47.8 43
    Last edited by Praful; 10-12-2012, 10:46 AM.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by Praful View Post
      At the cost of sounding a little crazy, here's a small table based on the current 125 & 200 Dukes to come up with some extrapolated power figures for the possible cc variations of the bigger duke *if* it exists! Adding fuel to the power figure speculation fire


      I've used the power/CC ratio for the 125 and 200 as a baseline and averaged out the possibilities for higher cc variants. Also since with things like this its always too good to be true, so I've factored in a 10% variance to the extrapolated figure to come up with a more real world figure of what could be the possibilities!

      I blame the job for this 5 minutes spent with beloved Excel And also my bike withdrawal symptoms making me a laptop biker for now... LoL

      CC
      		 Power (Extrapolated) Real World Correction (10%) Average of 125/200
      125
      		 15
      		 0.12
      		 0.1225
      200 25 0.125
      300 36.8 33.1
      350 42.9 38.6
      375 46 41.4
      390 47.8 43
      nice work mate, actually ... the actual power figures will be very much close to this, unless they do some serious detuning.
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      • #93
        Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
        Don't be so sure bout it mate. Remember R15 V2 speculation thread? People set very high expectation of around 20-21 bhp, some even claiming to have got information directly from Yamaha Engineers.
        Bajaj & Kawasaki are business partners, and Bajaj may not want to harm Ninja by placing KTM/Pulsar twins close to it in terms of hp/pricing in India.
        Its better to be little pessimistic and get a pleasant surprise rather than being overly optimistic and being disappointed.
        Yes, you are right in a way, that 175 cc more should give at-least more than 7-10 bhp, but who knows it may not be 375 cc when it comes out.
        Its better to take these speculations with a spoon of salt.
        Finally, lets not fret about power figures now and start calling names, we are all here and will see the actual numbers some day.

        Yes, You may be right. Just did the math But Expectation from R15 was too much when the volume of the motor was not upped by 1cc.


        Originally posted by payeng View Post
        Have seen this phenomenon over the years: Just put a "Full Fairing" and the expectation from the bike goes sky high. Even if the motor is just 150 cc.

        The speculation for the power figure of the R15 was 20-21 bhp right from the day it was shown at the 2008 Auto Expo.. Even seasoned auto journos (not just the laptop bikers) speculated 20-21 bhp.
        Fairing is the root for expectation? or over expectation from Yamaha R&D? whatever. Lets leave R15 aside. Here we have some added 175 cc to measure BHP


        Originally posted by Praful View Post
        At the cost of sounding a little crazy, here's a small table based on the current 125 & 200 Dukes to come up with some extrapolated power figures for the possible cc variations of the bigger duke *if* it exists! Adding fuel to the power figure speculation fire

        I've used the power/CC ratio for the 125 and 200 as a baseline and averaged out the possibilities for higher cc variants. Also since with things like this its always too good to be true, so I've factored in a 10% variance to the extrapolated figure to come up with a more real world figure of what could be the possibilities!

        I blame the job for this 5 minutes spent with beloved Excel And also my bike withdrawal symptoms making me a laptop biker for now... LoL

        CC
        		 Power (Extrapolated) Real World Correction (10%) Average of 125/200
        125
        		 15
        		 0.12
        		 0.1225
        200 25 0.125
        300 36.8 33.1
        350 42.9 38.6
        375 46 41.4
        390 47.8 43

        That was nice. 40 HP from single seems very realistic to me. 45 is my expectation if its twin.
        what about adding 690 to the equation to find out whether the equation is true? We can verify it then (all these until the 375 is single)
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        • #94
          Originally posted by kochumvk View Post
          That was nice. 40 HP from single seems very realistic to me. 45 is my expectation if its twin.
          what about adding 690 to the equation to find out whether the equation is true? We can verify it then (all these until the 375 is single)
          *if* this exists then it would be a single, heck even the monstrous 690 is a single

          I just extended the calculation for the 690 here's what comes up

          690 84.525 76.0725
          The 2012 Duke 690 makes 72! So the above figure is off by 5%, but then its a much bigger engine too, I am sure the power figures will be in the range of real world 10% correct column!
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Praful View Post
            *if* this exists then it would be a single, heck even the monstrous 690 is a single

            I just extended the calculation for the 690 here's what comes up

            690 84.525 76.0725
            The 2012 Duke 690 makes 72! So the above figure is off by 5%, but then its a much bigger engine too, I am sure the power figures will be in the range of real world 10% correct column!

            Many sources says 2012 690 is 71 HP.

            So here is my Math:

            690 Duke --- 71 HP --- 9.71 cc/HP
            200 Duke --- 25 HP --- 8.00 cc/HP

            so my assumption for 375 is 9cc/ HP:
            375 Duke --- 41.66 HP --- 9.00 cc/HP


            That proves your calculation is True!!! almost perfect. Lets trim 1 HP for practical reasons and pick it 40 for 375 single?

            Note: Duke 125 makes 15 HP only mainly because of European starter bike rules
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            • #96
              I'm confused as to what to say. Can you calculate that way for a new engine platform?

              Duke 125 and 200, are essentially the same base. Is the Duke 390 comparable to them? As far as I understand, Duke 390 will be from a platform neither related to the Duke 125-200, nor to the 690. So, how can one say whether it will be a high performer or a torque monster? Let me remind you guys that 125-200 are more of high revvers, while Duke is on the torquey, sober side.

              It could be a brand new engine making 50+ PS too. Or it could be a 40 PS, with enough torque to justify KTM's off roading roots.
              I personally wish for it to be as high PS'es as possible.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post
                I'm confused as to what to say. Can you calculate that way for a new engine platform?

                Duke 125 and 200, are essentially the same base. Is the Duke 390 comparable to them? As far as I understand, Duke 390 will be from a platform neither related to the Duke 125-200, nor to the 690. So, how can one say whether it will be a high performer or a torque monster? Let me remind you guys that 125-200 are more of high revvers, while Duke is on the torquey, sober side.

                It could be a brand new engine making 50+ PS too. Or it could be a 40 PS, with enough torque to justify KTM's off roading roots.
                I personally wish for it to be as high PS'es as possible.
                From the folklore... The Duke 3XX will be on the same platform as of the duke 125/200
                The Pulsar however would be a twin..
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                  The Pulsar however would be a twin..
                  wow, super, thats good, are you sure...??
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                  • #99
                    Need to keep my eyes open lol 2013 is approaching
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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by BLACKRiVAL View Post
                      Need to keep my eyes open lol 2013 is approaching
                      Don't blow up another engine trying to catch up with those .
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                      Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by satyenpoojary View Post
                        From the folklore... The Duke 3XX will be on the same platform as of the duke 125/200
                        The Pulsar however would be a twin..
                        I always thought this 390 was based on a tuned KTM Freeride or a brand new platform. But again, Freeride's too weak for the power figures we expect.

                        So, the same platform... hmm... Do you have any idea on the Bore x Stroke? Not doubting, but I'm wondering how could it be based on the Duke 125's platform. Not suggesting that its outright incapable... but its too big a gap. 125 to 375... its triple.


                        And if you suggest this news, from the KTM's leaked presentation an year or so ago, it could mean being "in the Duke lineup" instead of being "based on the same platform". Or did you get it from some insiders at Pune?
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                        • #102
                          Dunno but the news allover web even B'fore Duke 200's launch was to "expect a 350 in same platform the coming year". Yes to add to that news there was a leaked 2013 lineup pic too. Duke 125, 200 and 350's engines' outer measurements were considered more or less same and hence to fit on the same chassis. And is going to be an another single. If duke is single then yeah pulsar is also going to be single based on the same!
                          May B a orange trellis for the 350

                          Disclaimer: Like everybody iam also not sure about any thing which is yet to surface. Me too dream of a bang for bucks lower cc performance Twin
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                          • #103
                            375 cc twin..............with looks like that of the Duke 200 or the RC8.................anything is Welcome.

                            The return of the RD350 of mordern era finally.

                            I can clearly expect a healthy 45 bhp and 35 Nm torque from the KTM.
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                            • #104
                              If the Duke is a single I am very sure that the Pulsar will be a single as well, from one of Rahul Bajaj's interviews where he stated both bikes will have a similar platform.

                              I just hope that the Pulsar comes in more than 1 flavor, ie Faired as well as Naked and even better if also comes as an Avenger, I might be expecting too much here though.

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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by antz.bin View Post
                                Don't blow up another engine trying to catch up with those .
                                Hahaha that was awesome!!
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