Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[stefanm]

how can one flash with bi xenons if xenons take time to warmup when they are cold(say during Day time)?



RIDE SAFE

Simple, the flash will be a low intensity flash (a blue/white light), still enough to get your message across, not that anyone is even remotely interested anyway. Be careful where you flash though, you don't want to get arrested

[Prakritij]

Simple, the flash will be a low intensity flash (a blue/white light), still enough to get your message across, not that anyone is even remotely interested anyway. Be careful where you flash though, you don't want to get arrested

Thank You



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[The Monk]

If you feel the stock hi beam is not adequate, go for an HID in an aux lamp, so that u wont loose the ability to flash.

Its the Capsule takes the warming up time not the ballast AFAIK. Dual tubes and dual ballasts are available in the market and that too takes the warmup time. If its a bi-xenon projector/H4 Capsule, once the bulb is on u can flash with that, what about the day time when the lights are off?

I've no idea of swapping the connection between two capsules driving with a single ballast, after all its out of logic as it can conk off the ballast any moment and its a game with 23000V electricity, it can be fatal to play around.

Thanks again bro.
Could you please elaborate on the HID in an aux lamp. This sounds like an interesting proposition
Another thing I wanted to know. Would it be possible to take out the stock projector which is in the low beam, and replace it with a bi-xenon projector and bi xenon lamp. So that I can use only this setup in the city, while for the highway I can use the Hi beam (also with a HID) with a separate switch. And I can then use both the low beam and the high beam simultaenously on the highway.

[sajjt]

Thanks again bro.
Could you please elaborate on the HID in an aux lamp. This sounds like an interesting proposition
Another thing I wanted to know. Would it be possible to take out the stock projector which is in the low beam, and replace it with a bi-xenon projector and bi xenon lamp. So that I can use only this setup in the city, while for the highway I can use the Hi beam (also with a HID) with a separate switch. And I can then use both the low beam and the high beam simultaenously on the highway.

You can choose any crash guard/handle bar mountable good aux lamp which can easily accommodate a HID H3/H1 bulb with a good beam spread. Aux lamps mostly provide pencil/spot beams so align it properly not to blind the oncoming traffic.

Its possible but finding a suitable bi-xenon projector is a big pain as its totally different from retro fit types available in the market. Try Amazon.com for good quality Bi-xenon projectors, but again its a costly affair to source from there as the excise duties are pretty much high if you try to ship from there.

Lastly, a bixenon projector doesn't need a bi-xenon HID bulb, in projector also, there's an electro magnetic shield opens and closes to make the beam pattern like in a H4 HID tube does by moving back and forth. H4 HID bulb is for reflectors not for projectors.

Here's a schematic diagram how a projector works:

Simple, the flash will be a low intensity flash (a blue/white light), still enough to get your message across, not that anyone is even remotely interested anyway. Be careful where you flash though, you don't want to get arrested

I wont buy that argument, a cold start flash is too low to get noticed in a bright day light. Flashing situations are totally different, once can use it for over taking, to remind a person who's coming from a wrong line, it can be a panic light etc.. So in all these situations the visibility is very important as it should attract the attention whom you've aimed. I would say just a flick of a flash button at cold state, HID is too feeble than a stock halogen.

[honey5266]

fantastic news !!!
i was waiting to hear this.
pics pics pics pleeeeeeeease

from where to buy this kit in mumbai???? i want a Philips White light (Blue Vision) H4 60/55 W and Philips White light (Blue Vision) w5w park light.....and what cost

[RAK]

Guys.....my friend has a 220's projector and he wants to install it on his ZMA. Is it possible?

[discoverVinu]

Guys.....my friend has a 220's projector and he wants to install it on his ZMA. Is it possible?

Hi Rak,

yes it can be done with some jugaad, but he will end up with Low beam only. instead buy good bixenon projector and get it installed.
chk below link.

https://picasaweb.google.com/discovervinu/MybikeHIDTakenThroughMyCanonA590is?authuser=0&feat=directlink

[Kirankj1724]

I guess you have the Skoda Fog Lamp Projector !!! With a 55w Halogen in it, you will be riding in candle light. H3 bulbs are easily available in market.

no shreeni.. i previously had a projector+HID kit.. just fixed it to apache reflector now..

@sajjt

thanks for that detailed comparison...

and about the DC conversion.. got it done from ruby electricals Bangalore..

Ape rr unit Rs 930
coil rewinding Rs 750
wiring + labor Rs 300

i have 1 more doubt now.. currently using 8K bulb.. can i replace existing bulb to a 5K without having to change the ballast???

[hellraiSEr]

Hello everyone,

I have long contemplated going in for a HID wid DC including the coil rewinding for my Apache RTR 180. But before that, I wanted to get the HID and projector kit ready with me. Had contacted Navnish also, but he doesnt sell projectors. I am interested in going for projectors also (with angel eyes). Have enquired a few shops in Karol Bagh, Delhi for the modification and they sell a HID with projector for just 2-2.5k. But, the problem is, they only have 7000k or more. Now, 7000k would be more of a glare than lighting. As per the forum, 4200k or 5000k would be optimum for illumination. Am on the lookout for a 4200k HID + projector + angel eyes setup. Can someone tell me where I can find such a setup in Delhi and for how much. Also, if this is not possible, and I would have to go for an aftermarket projector and buy the HID from Navnish separately, even that is fine.. But has anyone done this??

Suggestions are welcome..

[sajjt]

no shreeni.. i previously had a projector+HID kit.. just fixed it to apache reflector now..

@sajjt

thanks for that detailed comparison...

and about the DC conversion.. got it done from ruby electricals Bangalore..

Ape rr unit Rs 930
coil rewinding Rs 750
wiring + labor Rs 300

i have 1 more doubt now.. currently using 8K bulb.. can i replace existing bulb to a 5K without having to change the ballast???

Good to hear that Ruby guys are also using APE RR for DC conversion. But cost of RR is skeptical for me as the OE will cost aoround 1.2k. I smell it could be a local make, in that case it may not be a reliable one. Ask them for a warranty for the RR if possible. Shreeni can tell u in a better way what damage a local make RR can contribute.

You can change the capsule with the same watts as long as the sockets are same.

[Kirankj1724]

Good to hear that Ruby guys are also using APE RR for DC conversion. But cost of RR is skeptical for me as the OE will cost aoround 1.2k. I smell it could be a local make, in that case it may not be a reliable one. Ask them for a warranty for the RR if possible. Shreeni can tell u in a better way what damage a local make RR can contribute.

You can change the capsule with the same watts as long as the sockets are same.

even i was puzzeled when i heard him say the cost of the RR unit as 930.. but its an original one and bought it from the genuine piaggio Ape service centre itself...

Hello everyone,

I have long contemplated going in for a HID wid DC including the coil rewinding for my Apache RTR 180. But before that, I wanted to get the HID and projector kit ready with me. Had contacted Navnish also, but he doesnt sell projectors. I am interested in going for projectors also (with angel eyes). Have enquired a few shops in Karol Bagh, Delhi for the modification and they sell a HID with projector for just 2-2.5k. But, the problem is, they only have 7000k or more. Now, 7000k would be more of a glare than lighting. As per the forum, 4200k or 5000k would be optimum for illumination. Am on the lookout for a 4200k HID + projector + angel eyes setup. Can someone tell me where I can find such a setup in Delhi and for how much. Also, if this is not possible, and I would have to go for an aftermarket projector and buy the HID from Navnish separately, even that is fine.. But has anyone done this??

Suggestions are welcome..

U can get projector separate and HID separate.. i too got it separately.. projector costed me around 1.2k and HID was 1.8k.. but the price may vary from here to there.. the projector is of H3 type..

[The Monk]

You can choose any crash guard/handle bar mountable good aux lamp which can easily accommodate a HID H3/H1 bulb with a good beam spread. Aux lamps mostly provide pencil/spot beams so align it properly not to blind the oncoming traffic.

Its possible but finding a suitable bi-xenon projector is a big pain as its totally different from retro fit types available in the market. Try Amazon.com for good quality Bi-xenon projectors, but again its a costly affair to source from there as the excise duties are pretty much high if you try to ship from there.

Lastly, a bixenon projector doesn't need a bi-xenon HID bulb, in projector also, there's an electro magnetic shield opens and closes to make the beam pattern like in a H4 HID tube does by moving back and forth. H4 HID bulb is for reflectors not for projectors.

My knowledge about HID's was zilch till now. But now I am beginning to understand a lil bit

I am basically looking for a feasible, economical and reasonably simple way for improving lighting on a 220. So far I haven't been able to zero in on something.

I wouldn't like to use an aux lamp on my crash guard or handle, simply because I crash too darn often to put anything of value there

You said that Bi xenon bulbs are made for reflectors and not projectors. And as rightly pointed out by you, bi xenon projectors would work out to be too expensive. So this brings me to another question. Can I remove my stock projector and replace it with a reflector which can fit an H4 bi xenon? So I can use the bixenon for low beam, flashing and city riding, while I can keep the upper beam for extra light on the highways.

Thanks again for patiently explaining and answering all my questions

[stefanm]

I wont buy that argument, a cold start flash is too low to get noticed in a bright day light. Flashing situations are totally different, once can use it for over taking, to remind a person who's coming from a wrong line, it can be a panic light etc.. So in all these situations the visibility is very important as it should attract the attention whom you've aimed. I would say just a flick of a flash button at cold state, HID is too feeble than a stock halogen.

It depends on how much you wish to get noticed, with so much random flashing and honking in India, both get ignored regardless of the intensity of light. Personally if i'm riding over say 10 km, i ride with my headlights on or if it's very cloudy or raining headlights will be on, i do the same when in my car, for the sake of being visible, though I am convince the majority of road users actually remove their eyeballs before embarking on a journey.

[shravanchoudhary9]

okay guys, i have installed osram nb on p200 with all stock setting, light is really best . now searching for avanger coil, any one here who want to sell or any one have extra one or have address where i can get it.
well reflector is pretty warm.

thanks to all for helping me.

[RAK]

Hi Rak,

yes it can be done with some jugaad, but he will end up with Low beam only. instead buy good bixenon projector and get it installed.
chk below link.

https://picasaweb.google.com/discove...eat=directlink

Thanks buddy for the info. Cant open this link from office . Will check it from home tonight.