Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[Shreeni0403]

I may know why the H4 bulb doesn't fit directly the FZ but does fit other bikes.

The notch formed by the tabs/pins at the base is wider in the HS1/px43t than in the H4/p43t. The tab in the FZ headlamp fits in between the pins on the bulb and is designed to fit the px43t. Since the tab is wider than the corresponding gap in the p43t, that bulb will not fit it directly.

I think that in the headlamps of other bikes, instead of a tab that fits in between the pin of the bulb, there's simply a notch into which the pins seat. Since the gap is designed for the wider px43t, the narrower p43t too will fit in.

Can someone confirm this theory? If this theory is correct and most bike headlamps have the second design, the H4 is compatible with the HS1 but not vice versa.

Quite possible as you said. But I have generally saw only 35w HS1 and anything above that we get are H4. So I guess no one will prefer to put HS1 to replace H4. I may be wrong thou

[sagarpadaki]

@Shreeni0403

so i can go for 180 avy stator coil and H4 55W bulb for my 180 UG3 without any problems then??btw have u seen/fitted any 180 UG3 before with this kinda mod?

[Shreeni0403]

so i can go for 180 avy stator coil and H4 55W bulb for my 180 UG3 without any problems then??btw have u seen/fitted any 180 UG3 before with this kinda mod?

But that will not give you flicker free light, I mean it wont be in DC. Unless you are willing to go for HID, don't opt to go with DC as it will be burden on battery in bumper to bumper traffic conditions.

Putting Avy's stator coil and RR is tension free job as its retrofit. Many people have done that in xbhp itself, you just have to search a bit.

All the best.

[sandeep_141]

CAn i install a Osram Night Breaker to my pulsar 220dtsi?
will it create any problem for the battery?

[sajjt]

CAn i install a Osram Night Breaker to my pulsar 220dtsi?
will it create any problem for the battery?

No issues at all as the stock bulb is 55W H7.

[kochumvk]

Hid xenon conversion kit 55w h7

I am planning to buy HID XENON CONVERSION KIT 55W H7


Package include:

2 Digital Ballasts
2 Xenon Bulbs
Zip ties
2 Heavy duty heat resistant double sided self-adhesive pads
2 Connector
ENGLISH Manual GUIDE
Warranty Card (Required for warranty replacement)

My Bike is p 220 DTSi

Do I need anything not in package ?
I am planning to connect it on low beam.
Also planning an Osram Night breaker for High beam.

Where can I find wiring diagrams for p220?

Please help me out.

[Shreeni0403]

I am planning to buy HID XENON CONVERSION KIT 55W H7


Package include:

2 Digital Ballasts
2 Xenon Bulbs
Zip ties
2 Heavy duty heat resistant double sided self-adhesive pads
2 Connector
ENGLISH Manual GUIDE
Warranty Card (Required for warranty replacement)

My Bike is p 220 DTSi

Do I need anything not in package ?
I am planning to connect it on low beam.
Also planning an Osram Night breaker for High beam.

Where can I find wiring diagrams for p220?

Please help me out.

You can check this thread for more info.

I suggest you to stick with 35W HID. AFAIK 55w HID will fry your battery quickly as the amp per hour consumed is more.

[kochumvk]

You can check this thread for more info.

I suggest you to stick with 35W HID. AFAIK 55w HID will fry your battery quickly as the amp per hour consumed is more.

But p220's stock bulb is 55w.
HID will take a big sip only on start up.
Then power consumption will be equal or not?
I think the battery on p220 is robust enough. I am not sure.

[sandeep_141]

No issues at all as the stock bulb is 55W H7.

Thanks for the help bro
tk cre
ride safe

[RanjithMN]

guys is it ok to use 55w HID on FZ?

[sajjt]

But p220's stock bulb is 55w.
HID will take a big sip only on start up.
Then power consumption will be equal or not?
I think the battery on p220 is robust enough. I am not sure.

Dude, a 55W HID will consume nearly 14A at startup which is not available from ur 9AH, but am sure it will light up if ur ballast is a AC type, as it can adjust the current and voltage fluctuations better than the DC type. But still u'll have another issue, every switch to H/L beams ballast will be eating more current and how about the B2B traffic? Charging rates will be very low to feed the 55W, on highways once its lighted there wont be any issues as the charging will be adequate and remember that stock bulb consumes steady 55W but an HID consumption varies every beam swap or u may need to keep the low beam always on and this will add more life span to the bulb too. As frequent switching on and off without considering the cooling off period will shorten the life of bulb.

guys is it ok to use 55w HID on FZ?

Its not possible for a Yamaha as the stock bulb is 35W, so batt charging rate will be accordingly, so forget the idea, after all why u guys want to switch to a 55W without experiencing a 35W? Am very much confident that u'll be happy with a 35W HID as its more than enough for a flood light ride, and a 55W HID is an over kill on stock reflectors for any vehicle and u'll be more easy catch for cops too.

[iamvik]

Dude, a 55W HID will consume nearly 14A at startup which is not available from ur 9AH, but am sure it will light up if ur ballast is a AC type, as it can adjust the current and voltage fluctuations better than the DC type. But still u'll have another issue, every switch to H/L beams ballast will be eating more current and how about the B2B traffic? Charging rates will be very low to feed the 55W, on highways once its lighted there wont be any issues as the charging will be adequate and remember that stock bulb consumes steady 55W but an HID consumption varies every beam swap or u may need to keep the low beam always on and this will add more life span to the bulb too. As frequent switching on and off without considering the cooling off period will shorten the life of bulb.



Its not possible for a Yamaha as the stock bulb is 35W, so batt charging rate will be accordingly, so forget the idea, after all why u guys want to switch to a 55W without experiencing a 35W? Am very much confident that u'll be happy with a 35W HID as its more than enough for a flood light ride, and a 55W HID is an over kill on stock reflectors for any vehicle and u'll be more easy catch for cops too.

A 9 AH battery can supply 14 A to start a HID bulb. The requirement is only for a few seconds. In fact, the current consumption of the starter motor is much higher and for longer too, since the motor tends to be 100 W plus for most bikes. You may already know this: a 9 Ah battery means that the battery is theoretically capable of supplying 9 A for 1 hour or 18 A for half hour or 4.5 A for 2 hours and so on.

The Yamaha FZ can support a 55 W bulb without any problem. I've been using one (halogen) in my FZ for the last 4 months and have not faced any problem.

I agree that 35 W is good for most applications. It is brighter than 100 W halogens. People may be too hasty in selecting a 55 W HID. I also agree that a 55 W HID is surely going to attract the cops faster than a 35 W one!

[sajjt]

A 9 AH battery can supply 14 A to start a HID bulb. The requirement is only for a few seconds. In fact, the current consumption of the starter motor is much higher and for longer too, since the motor tends to be 100 W plus for most bikes. You may already know this: a 9 Ah battery means that the battery is theoretically capable of supplying 9 A for 1 hour or 18 A for half hour or 4.5 A for 2 hours and so on.

The Yamaha FZ can support a 55 W bulb without any problem. I've been using one (halogen) in my FZ for the last 4 months and have not faced any problem.

I agree that 35 W is good for most applications. It is brighter than 100 W halogens. People may be too hasty in selecting a 55 W HID. I also agree that a 55 W HID is surely going to attract the cops faster than a 35 W one!

I never heard of such a conversion like a 9Ah can support18A for half an hour. Rest is simple load allocation. Are you kidding dude? An HID will take a min of 20-40 secs to get fully illuminated, which means its taking the batt in full load.

You cant compare with a halogen and an HID, it will support a halogen as there's no min cut off current to illuminate whereas for an HID the ballast wil cut off the supply once the voltage drops, when starts flickering.But in city or on low rpm rides is that ok? Being with an HID for atleast 9 months I can vouch for this. Anyway never been to a FZ so only an experienced person can take the privilage to comment. BTW, whats the charging rate in FZ?

I still vote for a 35W as its within the safe range of a 9AH batt and will make sure, enough juice in the batt for hours regardless of your style of riding, low rpm drives etc. If u go beyond that, u r taking a chance of blackout rides, as we cant take always the theoritical calcs. There are other factors makes this change like I said earlier.

[iamvik]

I never heard of such a conversion like a 9Ah can support18A for half an hour. Rest is simple load allocation. Are you kidding dude? An HID will take a min of 20-40 secs to get fully illuminated, which means its taking the batt in full load.

You cant compare with a halogen and an HID, it will support a halogen as there's no min cut off current to illuminate whereas for an HID the ballast wil cut off the supply once the voltage drops, when starts flickering.But in city or on low rpm rides is that ok? Being with an HID for atleast 9 months I can vouch for this. Anyway never been to a FZ so only an experienced person can take the privilage to comment. BTW, whats the charging rate in FZ?

I still vote for a 35W as its within the safe range of a 9AH batt and will make sure, enough juice in the batt for hours regardless of your style of riding, low rpm drives etc. If u go beyond that, u r taking a chance of blackout rides, as we cant take always the theoritical calcs. There are other factors makes this change like I said earlier.

room temperature. However, if it is instead discharged at 50 A, it will have a lower apparent capacity.

I had forgotten the part about the capacity reducing at higher discharge rates but the essentially, the approximation is correct.

IIRC, the high current is needed only to establish the arc in the bulb. Once the arc is setup, the current requirement drops steadily until full brightness is achieved. In the case of a 55 W HID, the current required won't be 14 A for 20 to 40 seconds. It will reduce as soon as the lamp ignites and then continuously reduce. This seems to me like the equivalent of a few extra starts with the electric start that a battery and charging system in good condition should easily be able to accommodate. As for the cut-off voltage, if the charging current and voltage of the P220 is sufficient, the voltage should not drop below that. I admit that the only way to test this is to actually fit a 55 W HID to a P220. I believe you have a 35 W HID on your P220. Have you tried a 55 W type?

I don't know the charging rate in the FZ but clearly it is enough to power a 55 W headlamp in addition to the other loads. The light remains almost constant with engine speed. Even with the indicators on and the brake applied, the light intensity does not vary noticeably.

Two people on the ownership thread have even claimed using a 90/100 W bulb but when I asked them for details, they didn't reply. So that part is inconclusive.

[RanjithMN]

@sajjt
thank you!!!
actually i want to get a 35w itself but kochu wants a 55W and we are supposed to share the pair!