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**deejaay** · 07-04-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by MHG View Post

Go to RE website. You'll be surprised to note that except Bullet Std 350 TwinSpark, EVERY bike weighs the same.

The parts also look the same on picture, but I'm wondering if there is/are mechanical differences between different parts of the bike, like front forks quality.

And then seating position. Geometrically from what I could see in pictures, Electra and TBTS have similar seating. Only handlebars are different. Does this make a great deal of difference between them ?

I really doubt that there is a mechanical difference between the parts. The Thunderbird's seating position translates into a comfortable ride which probably makes us believe that the front forks are better.
Even a slight difference in seating position can lead to a better or worst ride quality.

**deejaay** · 07-04-2012, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

I still can't belive that CL500 does 140kmph??

haven;t heard it in any thread yet!! But Yes i belive that it is capable of doing it, but in lone some road only!! as can be seen in your pic. But riding a beast at such speed must be a heaven experience !!! You proved it RE does > 120kmph digits !! cool! I expect 500cc to be near to 180kmph but design is dangerous for 100kmph so what in >150kmph ??

Yes it does 140 kmph, but as you rightly said only on tracks and the conditions should be favorable. I actually did it on an airstrip

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It is very stable upto 110 kmph and you can easily control it. But as you cross 120 kmph the vibrations are so much that you fell like your crank would fall off!!

**MHG** · 07-04-2012, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

Not only weight but design also plays it's rle here!

And Electra and TBTS seating position can't be same dude!!

TBTS has more height placed handled and lean towards rider too. It's design is also very different from the rest!!!

There would be some major reason for these difference!!

Again we're back to handlebar. OK let me change my question a bit. If you put the same handlebar in all 3 models, would there be a difference felt ? If yes, what kind of difference ?

Originally posted by deejaay View Post

I really doubt that there is a mechanical difference between the parts. The Thunderbird's seating position translates into a comfortable ride which probably makes us believe that the front forks are better.
Even a slight difference in seating position can lead to a better or worst ride quality.

Reason I asked is some review of Desert Storm and Classic Chrome mentioned that the previous models had weaker front forks which couldn't handle aggressive handling and newer bikes (but which models were not revealed) had better forks.

**somen1984** · 07-04-2012, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by deejaay View Post

Yes it does 140 kmph, but as you rightly said only on tracks and the conditions should be favorable. I actually did it on an airstrip

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It is very stable upto 110 kmph and you can easily control it. But as you cross 120 kmph the vibrations are so much that you fell like your crank would fall off!!

Do you think that CL500 could have gone more ahead than 140kmph ??

**deejaay** · 07-04-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by MHG View Post

Again we're back to handlebar. OK let me change my question a bit. If you put the same handlebar in all 3 models, would there be a difference felt ? If yes, what kind of difference ?

Reason I asked is some review of Desert Storm and Classic Chrome mentioned that the previous models had weaker front forks which couldn't handle aggressive handling and newer bikes (but which models were not revealed) had better forks.

Yes, if you have the same handle bar, there would be a difference in seating position. The Thunderbird'ss seat is deep, which gives more support to the lower back. You should take a test ride of both, we might not be able to do justice to thunderbirds seating comfort by explaining it in words ;-)

May be they were mentioning TBTS 500, the forks on it are improved not only in dimensions but in quality too.

**deejaay** · 07-04-2012, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

Do you think that CL500 could have gone more ahead than 140kmph ??

I doubt, I had wind supporting me from the back, I was fully crouched, engine and tyres were preheated to optimum temperature, my bike was in excellent condition with only 700 kms on odo and service and oil changed just 200 kms ago. I attained 140 Kms. at almost half point of the air strip which was aprrox 2.5 kms long, continued to full throttle for another km or so but the needle froze at 140 kmph.

**MHG** · 07-05-2012, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by deejaay View Post

Yes, if you have the same handle bar, there would be a difference in seating position. The Thunderbird'ss seat is deep, which gives more support to the lower back. You should take a test ride of both, we might not be able to do justice to thunderbirds seating comfort by explaining it in words ;-)

I first wanted to know for sure what is the difference. When you say deep, you mean back rest part and the cushiony "feel" of the seat right ?

And if that is the case could you compare feel of your Classic to an Electra or a TBTS ? From what I have personally noticed, Classic has really good feeling seat compared to the somewhat harder seat in 350 STD.

PS: You underestimate the power of the english language

May be they were mentioning TBTS 500, the forks on it are improved not only in dimensions but in quality too.

OK found the link. See this and tell me if it rings a bell somewhere. Royal Enfield Bullet Classic 2.0 : First Ride Page - 1| Zigwheels.com

**nashrider** · 07-05-2012, 04:33 AM

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to know if anybody has a clue regarding any good Bullet customisers in Mumbai. If so then please help me with the contact details . I intend to get my TBTS modified .

Thanks
Nash

**somen1984** · 07-05-2012, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by deejaay View Post

I doubt, I had wind supporting me from the back, I was fully crouched, engine and tyres were preheated to optimum temperature, my bike was in excellent condition with only 700 kms on odo and service and oil changed just 200 kms ago. I attained 140 Kms. at almost half point of the air strip which was aprrox 2.5 kms long, continued to full throttle for another km or so but the needle froze at 140 kmph.

I thought 500cc could have gone more higher!! Anyways the design don't support more than 110kmph !!Braking too is in soup!!!
I have booked CL350 just for RE feel no speed or Zig Zac just 80-100kmph that's it!!!

**deejaay** · 07-05-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by MHG View Post

I first wanted to know for sure what is the difference. When you say deep, you mean back rest part and the cushiony "feel" of the seat right ?

And if that is the case could you compare feel of your Classic to an Electra or a TBTS ? From what I have personally noticed, Classic has really good feeling seat compared to the somewhat harder seat in 350 STD.

PS: You underestimate the power of the english language

When I say deep it means that the rider seat is comparatively lower than that of the pillion, more close to the rear tyre. The single seat is shaped is a way that the pillion seat provides you with the lower back support.

In thunder bird this deepness is even greater and combining it with the handlebar angle, the ride becomes more comfortable.

Classic : Seat is cushiony, seating position upright without any back support.
Electra: Seat is hard, seating position upright with little back support.
Thunderbird: Seat is semi cushiony, seating position semi relaxed, with back support. If the foot pegs of Thunderbird are taken forward the seating position would become relaxed making it a true cruiser.

**joeantony** · 07-05-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by nashrider View Post

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to know if anybody has a clue regarding any good Bullet customisers in Mumbai. If so then please help me with the contact details . I intend to get my TBTS modified .

Thanks
Nash

In India only in Mumbai you can do this

. Follow this link Custom made Motorcycles, Bikes, Customized Choppers by Vardenchi, India

**deejaay** · 07-05-2012, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by MHG View Post

OK found the link. See this and tell me if it rings a bell somewhere. Royal Enfield Bullet Classic 2.0 : First Ride Page - 1| Zigwheels.com

OK..the discussion here is about the First and second version of Classic 500 and the newer ones like Desert storm and Chrome.
Although the three variants look the same but the dimensions like wheelbase, length, height and other things are not similar on these three.
The first version of the Classic 500 had some problems with the way the front forks were fitted and the overall feel of it, the chasis was also not upto the mark, it used to fishtail at higher speeds. RE got rid of these problems in the newer versions of the Classic 500 in 2009- 2010 and than further improved by introducing Classic Desertstorm and Classic Chrome.

**deejaay** · 07-05-2012, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by somen1984 View Post

I thought 500cc could have gone more higher!! Anyways the design don't support more than 110kmph !!Braking too is in soup!!!
I have booked CL350 just for RE feel no speed or Zig Zac just 80-100kmph that's it!!!

Congrats brother!! don't worry you would not be disappointed..

**MHG** · 07-05-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by deejaay View Post

When I say deep it means that the rider seat is comparatively lower than that of the pillion, more close to the rear tyre. The single seat is shaped is a way that the pillion seat provides you with the lower back support.

In thunder bird this deepness is even greater and combining it with the handlebar angle, the ride becomes more comfortable.

Classic : Seat is cushiony, seating position upright without any back support.
Electra: Seat is hard, seating position upright with little back support.
Thunderbird: Seat is semi cushiony, seating position semi relaxed, with back support. If the foot pegs of Thunderbird are taken forward the seating position would become relaxed making it a true cruiser.

Thanks for the insight. You put it very well and I think I understand exactly what you mean about how the seats feel.

About the bold part, is it actually possible ? To take the footpegs of TB forward and make it a true cruiser ? It also needs those excellent foot-boards from Enticer to make it a real cruiser IMO

Originally posted by deejaay View Post

OK..the discussion here is about the First and second version of Classic 500 and the newer ones like Desert storm and Chrome.
Although the three variants look the same but the dimensions like wheelbase, length, height and other things are not similar on these three.
The first version of the Classic 500 had some problems with the way the front forks were fitted and the overall feel of it, the chasis was also not upto the mark, it used to fishtail at higher speeds. RE got rid of these problems in the newer versions of the Classic 500 in 2009- 2010 and than further improved by introducing Classic Desertstorm and Classic Chrome.

Thank you. Just tell me this much, are the improvements carried forward across ALL models of RE Classic ? I mean the 2012 Cl350, Cl500, Cl DS, Cl Chrome all have the fixed front forks ? And are they also reflected in other (electra, tbts, etc) models ?

**deejaay** · 07-05-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by MHG View Post

Thanks for the insight. You put it very well and I think I understand exactly what you mean about how the seats feel.

About the bold part, is it actually possible ? To take the footpegs of TB forward and make it a true cruiser ? It also needs those excellent foot-boards from Enticer to make it a real cruiser IMO

Thank you. Just tell me this much, are the improvements carried forward across ALL models of RE Classic ? I mean the 2012 Cl350, Cl500, Cl DS, Cl Chrome all have the fixed front forks ? And are they also reflected in other (electra, tbts, etc) models ?

Yes it is possible to take the foot controls forward, but it is a very tedious and specialized job. A rather innovative way or 'Jugaad' as we say, which I have seen with one of our xBhp member and my rider buddy Ramesh Madhwan...He has attached an extra set of foot pegs to the crash gurads, he uses these footpegs at highways to stretch and relax his feet.

The improvements have been done in all the Classic 500 models. It has not been carried to Classic 350 as is was already stable, infact the Desertstorm's dimensions are now much close to that of Classis 350.

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