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  • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

    Originally posted by mehuel View Post
    John i am unable to understand why are you so keen on running your bike lean. In the long run you will end up seriously damaging
    engine components. Valves to start with. What you might gain right now in terms for fuel economy by running lean will end up in
    a costly engine repair.
    Please get it retuned appropriately you will gain both in terms of mileage and performance. once the tuning is sorted have the valve clearance checked
    along with the timing chain tension.
    and also click the pic of the spark plug before and after tune up.
    The thing is.. I never asked anyone to tune the engine lean. I even insisted on tuning it correctly at the svc and not for mileage. I haven't yet learnt the art of tuning the engine and hence I have to get the aid of other mechanics. But everyone I went to simply says bike is ok. They listen to their heads and not the bike. Btw, I plan on adjusting tappets on my own. What tools are required for tappet adjustments on p180 and what are the clearance values? Timing chain, as said by svc, seems ok but I do hear some clinching sounds when idling after a good run. These sounds were present from the beginning.. I'll try to learn the tuning soon. When tuning, I raise the engine speed to around 3k rpm but the rpm fluctuates in a rhythmic manner and is never steady. This irritates a lot and prevents me from getting a proper tune of engine. Is that normal?

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    • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

      Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
      The thing is.. I never asked anyone to tune the engine lean. I even insisted on tuning it correctly at the svc and not for mileage. I haven't yet learnt the art of tuning the engine and hence I have to get the aid of other mechanics. But everyone I went to simply says bike is ok. They listen to their heads and not the bike. Btw, I plan on adjusting tappets on my own. What tools are required for tappet adjustments on p180 and what are the clearance values? Timing chain, as said by svc, seems ok but I do hear some clinching sounds when idling after a good run. These sounds were present from the beginning.. I'll try to learn the tuning soon. When tuning, I raise the engine speed to around 3k rpm but the rpm fluctuates in a rhythmic manner and is never steady. This irritates a lot and prevents me from getting a proper tune of engine. Is that normal?

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      Just try and find a good mechanic outside to set the correct idle on the carb.
      But if you want to DIY, just check first how many turns is the volume control screw turned. last i remembered you mentioned it to be around half to one and a half. can you please confirm whats the count now?


      As for Valve clearance .5 inlet and .10 exhaust is what is recommended in the manual and works perfectly fine. some additional tools required would be the tappet holder, feeler gauges and preferably a ring spanner not sure about the size but i guess its 7/8 and a socket wrench to move the crank and set the cams in tdc before you start working. its a rather lenghty process but easy one, if you like i can post the DIY with some pics here. or you can follow service manual. IMHO i would recommend you not to go this way and just work on getting the carb working

      Now the timing chain, leave it as it is for now aswell.

      Posting some pics of the feeler gauge and tappet t holder

      Ps: those pics are old ones from r15, thus the 4 valves. for pulsar there is no need to open the head cover. thus making the process a lot simpler.
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      Last edited by mehuel; 05-31-2015, 10:52 AM.

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      • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

        Originally posted by mehuel View Post
        Just try and find a good mechanic outside to set the correct idle on the carb.
        But if you want to DIY, just check first how many turns is the volume control screw turned. last i remembered you mentioned it to be around half to one and a half. can you please confirm whats the count now?
        The af screw was retuned by svc and is now at 1.75 turns. I have tuned it to around 2.75-3.0 and now bike seems happy but I do smell petrol when idling.


        As for Valve clearance .5 inlet and .10 exhaust is what is recommended in the manual and works perfectly fine. some additional tools required would be the tappet holder, feeler gauges and preferably a ring spanner not sure about the size but i guess its 7/8 and a socket wrench to move the crank and set the cams in tdc before you start working. its a rather lenghty process but easy one, if you like i can post the DIY with some pics here. or you can follow service manual. IMHO i would recommend you not to go this way and just work on getting the carb working
        0.5 and 0.1 mm for inlet and exhaust valves..right? I heard tdc can be brought by removing spark plug and rotating rear tyre in gear. Is that possible? Is the tappet holder necessary? I mean, mechanic used a small spanner and plier to adjust the tappets on my bro's A180. Is that ok? And the engine must be dead cold when adjusting tappets..

        Now the timing chain, leave it as it is for now aswell.

        Posting some pics of the feeler gauge and tappet t holder

        Ps: those pics are old ones from r15, thus the 4 valves. for pulsar there is no need to open the head cover. thus making the process a lot simpler.
        A pic on where to use the feeler gauge would be useful as I'm not sure where to place and use the guage on the tappet mechanism.

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        • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

          Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
          The af screw was retuned by svc and is now at 1.75 turns. I have tuned it to around 2.75-3.0 and now bike seems happy but I do smell petrol when idling.
          thats the way to go in my experience, it should resolve the issue. tune id down to 2.5 turns and keep it like this for a 100 km or so and notice the difference. do post the pic of the plug after 100- 200 kms



          Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
          0.5 and 0.1 mm for inlet and exhaust valves..right? I heard tdc can be brought by removing spark plug and rotating rear tyre in gear. Is that possible? Is the tappet holder necessary? I mean, mechanic used a small spanner and plier to adjust the tappets on my bro's A180. Is that ok? And the engine must be dead cold when adjusting tappets..
          yes its one way to go but i would advice you not to. to be honest if the engine is performing fine there is absolutely no need to touch the tappets as of right now.

          Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
          A pic on where to use the feeler gauge would be useful as I'm not sure where to place and use the guage on the tappet mechanism.
          I'll try to post a complete DIY in 2-3 days time with pics and all
          till then just concentrate on carb.
          Cheers
          Last edited by mehuel; 05-31-2015, 11:26 AM.

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          • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

            Originally posted by mehuel View Post
            thats the way to go in my experience, it should resolve the issue. tune id down to 2.5 turns and keep it like this for a 100 km or so and notice the difference. do post the pic of the plug after 100- 200 kms





            yes its one way to go but i would advice you not to. to be honest if the engine is performing fine there is absolutely no need to touch the tappets as of right now.



            I'll try to post a complete DIY in 2-3 days time with pics and all
            till then just concentrate on carb.
            Cheers
            I will check with the af screw as you said bro. As you said, I'll leave the tappets now as I think it can go longer before requiring any adjustments. Take your time bro. The bike can wait. Do tell the tools used in the DIY though..

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            • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

              Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
              Hi everyone.. The bike was serviced few days back and mileage returned is again at around 40 for city(sane) riding. Symptoms -idle unsteady, single tappet sound(it sounds like one valve is making noise), bike struggles with pillion on uphill rides(more struggle than normal), engine rpm raises gradual to throttle input.
              Engine is not rev happy as it was earlier. When throttle is held at a position, engine revs rise gradually to reach the specified rpm. Also, more throttle is necessary to maintain speeds. Any pointers to the issue?
              I suspect you might have worn out clutch plates along with wrong valve clearances. also get the carb cleaned and adjusted correctly (if you are unsure of the no. of turns, then just set it to what another bike in the showroom has and then make fine adjustments). normally 1.5~2 turns is apt.

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              • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                Originally posted by s1d View Post
                I suspect you might have worn out clutch plates along with wrong valve clearances. also get the carb cleaned and adjusted correctly (if you are unsure of the no. of turns, then just set it to what another bike in the showroom has and then make fine adjustments). normally 1.5~2 turns is apt.
                Clutch plate wear should lead to cvt like pickup. The problem is that the bike takes time to rev up to necessary rpm. Clearances will be checked by myself soon. I don't think svc uses guage to set clearances. Carb is now at around 2.5-3 turns(forgot exact turns) and the idle seems a whole lot better. Also, performance seems way better. I'll check spark plugs after around 100 kms and report back. One doubt though..when I raise the rpm when tuning the carb, the idle was raising and falling in a periodic manner like a waveform. Tuned the bike where the oscillation was minimal and now idle is near steady. Is it normal?

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                • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                  Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
                  One doubt though..when I raise the rpm when tuning the carb, the idle was raising and falling in a periodic manner like a waveform. Tuned the bike where the oscillation was minimal and now idle is near steady. Is it normal?
                  yes, that is how a carb behaves as you adjust the fuel screw.. it needs to be approx at the point where the rpm drops n just begins to rise.
                  i'd say don't fiddle with the carb unless you know what your doing. like i said the safe bet is to look at another stock bike and set yours to a similar setting.

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                  • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                    Originally posted by s1d View Post
                    yes, that is how a carb behaves as you adjust the fuel screw.. it needs to be approx at the point where the rpm drops n just begins to rise.
                    i'd say don't fiddle with the carb unless you know what your doing. like i said the safe bet is to look at another stock bike and set yours to a similar setting.
                    The engine rpm varies like a wave even if I don't adjust the af screw. Raised rpm to around 3000 rpm and engine was moving in periodical wave manner between 2000-4000rpm even when I didn't touch the af screw. Now the screw is placed where the oscillation is minimal.

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                    • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                      Hi everyone, after 100kms of near sane riding, reached 42kmpl. But I did find something different in the air box(in pic). Is this a cause of concern? Vacuum leaks??
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                      The sparks colour remains more or less the same, except for little tan colour of the electrodes.
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                      • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                        Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
                        Hi everyone, after 100kms of near sane riding, reached 42kmpl. But I did find something different in the air box(in pic). Is this a cause of concern? Vacuum leaks??
                        The sparks colour remains more or less the same, except for little tan colour of the electrodes.
                        Right spark plug
                        Left spark plug

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                        to begin with the spark plug looks good,

                        now for that air box, well it looks as of its cracked, correct me if i am wrong.

                        if it is cracked, that is a major concern, and a cause of worry. not only is the carb getting more air than its suppose to but also its getting a continuous feed of unfiltered air, it will harm the engine. need less to say thats why the engine was running lean,

                        its best that you to replace the airfilter box immidiatly, if its not available at the sevice center order one and in the meantime get it fixed. temporary fix will be to use Mseal or some other alternative. fewiKwik wont work.

                        P.S: though i dont think there is a need to adjust valve clearance now, and you should get the airbox fixed first. but i'll still post the DIY. have been really busy of late. will post it this week.

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                        • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                          Why would fevikwik fail for this? What about rubber based solutions? I'll source it and fix the box soon. This would mean I should retune the carb..right?

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                          • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                            Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
                            Why would fevikwik fail for this? What about rubber based solutions? I'll source it and fix the box soon. This would mean I should retune the carb..right?

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                            I think you are referring to the gap between air duct hose and air box. No need to buy a new air box. Air box and duct hose are two different parts. Just stick the hose to the air box using fevibond and you are done. From factory also it is sticked using some rubber adhesive.
                            Off the BOTTLE & On the THROTTLE

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                            • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                              Originally posted by Jith_in View Post
                              I think you are referring to the gap between air duct hose and air box. No need to buy a new air box. Air box and duct hose are two different parts. Just stick the hose to the air box using fevibond and you are done. From factory also it is sticked using some rubber adhesive.
                              In that case, I'll get rubber based solution soon for fixing it. This bike sure has a strong heart. Should I retune the bike after this?

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                              • Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)

                                About retuning carb, run some 100 kms after the air box is sealed and then decide. I think closing that gap will make your afr fine.
                                Off the BOTTLE & On the THROTTLE

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