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  • Originally posted by sibun View Post
    Like i said extreme/hunk has a alternator like cars. After 2k rpm the alternator takes all the load up from battery. So when you are idling at 2.5k rpm all the power was from alternator. When you pushed the pass light the alternator gets loaded and thus rpm decreased. When you released the pass light again the load decreased and the rpm increased.
    Now the question is only a load of 35 watt how can decrease idling by 500 rpm?
    OK now let me explain this. When your engine was running at 2.5k rpm there was no load so when you loaded the alternator it decreased the RPM. Because when your engine was running without any load very slight accelerator is opened to maintain the 2.5k rpm. So engine is getting very less fuel mixture and thus producing less power to maintain the rpm.
    But when you are running on the road at 2.5k rpm the engine will be carrying much more load like bike weights and your weights and others factors.
    So at that time this 35 watts extra will not effect in any way on the engine.
    In a layman point of view:-
    You are walking on road. Suppose any one gives you 20 kg bag to carry. Automatically you will slow down. But when you are carrying 500 kg on a trolley and when somebody puts the same 20 kg bag on you then you do not feel much difference. Similar things happens here at idling engine has no load so RPM reduced but when running on road rpm doesn't decreases.
    That was nice Thank you.

    But one more thing I need to clarify.
    As some one said, I tried keeping the high/low switch in the mid position, and both filaments were glowing. But they were not drawing full power, and the net out put was just same as one filament working alone.
    Why does this happen..?
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    • hii guys,

      there is a strange hissing sound coming from my xtremes fuel cap when parked...

      is it abnormal or is it just the venting sound?

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      • Originally posted by psycho 98 View Post
        Of course yes.
        Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
        quoting your own post ? .
        Getting old u see .. did u get the gaskets ??
        "Engine tuning is not an exact science, but with some practice and patience you'll get comfortable with your skill and be able tune for any conditions mother nature throws at you"


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        • Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
          I accidently found this while googling ...people in chennai i think this looks like the SC of my dream :

          V Care Bikes

          they strip every bike to the last bolt and rebuild it by using some special grease or something.....and you need to be with the bike at all times .....but they charge a bomb....like 1.5k+ for their service .

          how come no one in chennai knew about this place here....damn i spent so much money on setting the tappet i could have solved it all if i had gone to this place instead of castrol bike zone .

          going to fix a appointment with them and see what they say about my bore....looking at all that certification and stuff i believe they must at least be more competent than the hh mechs.

          this looks like the best option in front of me right now....satson /psr any of the gurus here heard of this place ?

          this is old but this is all the review i found on google :

          "V Care Bikes" - Way better than Authorised service centers - Team-BHP

          if they can rebuild my engine like new then i wont mind spending a little extra if they can make my bike like new .
          I am quoting my own post now cause i want to warn others from going to this place :

          this is what happened today when i dropped by his place yesterday evening

          1) I called him first and asked him if he just services the bike or he also does engine work as my bike demands some attention in this department - i explained its smoking etc - he said he is a trained engineer and told me to bring the bike to him.

          2) So i took the bike all the way to chennai 130kms - i really liked his workshop its fully air conditioned and very neat - he also talked nicely .

          3)Then he took me to his office and asked what i wanted - told him i want my ride to be like new - to this he said he has stopped doing engine work as he no longer has any assistants - i was like why didnt he tell me that before ? i have just wqaster 130kms and half a day for this
          - once the bike bore is open it loses the factory setting and no matter what he does it wont be like new - thats what he said.

          4)Nevertheless he took a test drive and told me my bike is a total CRAP - bore needs work / cone set gone/sprocket gone/clutch gone - so told me to scrap it put it out of its misery and get a new bike - i was like and

          5)Then he gave me a long lecture on how to select the right bke and why its pointless to invest more money repairing my Xtreme.

          at this point i remembered one of joels old posts about how he rebuilt a ZMA ebgine that was destroyed after installing some kinda NOS kit - if he can rebuild an engine that suffered so much damage then why my bike engine has to be scrappped even if what he says is true ?

          6)he told me he has some kinda FFE and some special filter for the xtreme that is used even in darka rally bikes - he said it has been modified to fit the xtreme.

          he said it is covered in animal fat and i will be given some special solution that dissolves the fay and dirt that has accumulated on the fat thereby cleaning it .

          i was like "is that even possible to make a filter covered in animal fat?" - then he quoted the price - hold your breath - he said it wil cost Rs 2900 for that air filter-

          and it will make by engine breath more freely and keep the dusts away like darka rally bikes .

          7)He ealso said synthetic oil will cause bore damage and should never be used in indian bikes - he said one guy bore was gone in just a week after using motul 300V - i was like ...

          8)He said due to pollution norms even though the company says xtreme makes like this much BHP bu it isnt true - the bike makes far less power than whats mentioned in the manual - as its blocked in 6 places in the exhaust.

          After all this he told me to take my time selecting the perfect ride and bring it to him on the first day itself so he can do the master service and keep the bike running for a long time.

          Master service = Rs 4000 /3000kms

          I almost had a heart attack hearing that number.

          He specifically told me not to put how much he charges on Xbhp as that will deter people from coming to him which i agreed .

          If he had told the truth that he doesnt do the engine work wheni first asked him half my day would have not been wasted

          He also said K&N filter dont need upjetting .
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          • Originally posted by psycho 98 View Post
            Getting old u see .. did u get the gaskets ??
            Nah got only ANL brake pads / air filter/diamond chain kit .
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            • Originally posted by itssaurabh.negi View Post
              I didnt know when to change the pads,nor did the SVC guys tell me about it. i m facing this poor braking problem from very long time.So how much these brake pads costs for ASK? any other good options ?
              ASK costs Rs 95 but most shops sell it for like Rs 110 here - other options are like sinbun said KBX and ANL - today only i installed ANL its better than ASK if you ask me -ANL pads costs less than Rs 140 - bit costly than ASK - but the braking is good .

              To find out if the rear brake pads needs to be changed just press the brake pedal and see if the lever touches the mark in the rear wheel - if it touches then the pads needs to change.

              For the front also there is a mark if you can see it then its fine .
              Last edited by sarbanoxley; 08-19-2012, 04:11 AM.
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              • Originally posted by sibun View Post
                Not only it is cheaper but look at any new bike, its chain kit will be DIAMOND. But the replacement is HERO chain. So what happens is that the OE chain lasts long but replacement last less. So go for Diamond and it will last far longer than OE. The new bikes are coming with diamond kit. In fact the replacement chain has diamond also but it is like a lottery as hero are also coming. So why not go directly to diamond.
                No need to search for IFTEX. Most BHARAT PETROLEUM pumps are stockist of IFTEX. You can easily get it in any large pumps.
                Got it installed for Rs 700 ....3AM here too sleepy to type now talk to you tomorrow .
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                • Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
                  I am quoting my own post now cause i want to warn others from going to this place :

                  this is what happened today when i dropped by his place yesterday evening

                  1) I called him first and asked him if he just services the bike or he also does engine work as my bike demands some attention in this department - i explained its smoking etc - he said he is a trained engineer and told me to bring the bike to him.

                  2) So i took the bike all the way to chennai 130kms - i really liked his workshop its fully air conditioned and very neat - he also talked nicely .

                  3)Then he took me to his office and asked what i wanted - told him i want my ride to be like new - to this he said he has stopped doing engine work as he no longer has any assistants - i was like why didnt he tell me that before ? i have just wqaster 130kms and half a day for this
                  - once the bike bore is open it loses the factory setting and no matter what he does it wont be like new - thats what he said.

                  4)Nevertheless he took a test drive and told me my bike is a total CRAP - bore needs work / cone set gone/sprocket gone/clutch gone - so told me to scrap it put it out of its misery and get a new bike - i was like and

                  5)Then he gave me a long lecture on how to select the right bke and why its pointless to invest more money repairing my Xtreme.

                  at this point i remembered one of joels old posts about how he rebuilt a ZMA ebgine that was destroyed after installing some kinda NOS kit - if he can rebuild an engine that suffered so much damage then why my bike engine has to be scrappped even if what he says is true ?

                  6)he told me he has some kinda FFE and some special filter for the xtreme that is used even in darka rally bikes - he said it has been modified to fit the xtreme.

                  he said it is covered in animal fat and i will be given some special solution that dissolves the fay and dirt that has accumulated on the fat thereby cleaning it .

                  i was like "is that even possible to make a filter covered in animal fat?" - then he quoted the price - hold your breath - he said it wil cost Rs 2900 for that air filter-

                  and it will make by engine breath more freely and keep the dusts away like darka rally bikes .

                  7)He ealso said synthetic oil will cause bore damage and should never be used in indian bikes - he said one guy bore was gone in just a week after using motul 300V - i was like ...

                  8)He said due to pollution norms even though the company says xtreme makes like this much BHP bu it isnt true - the bike makes far less power than whats mentioned in the manual - as its blocked in 6 places in the exhaust.

                  After all this he told me to take my time selecting the perfect ride and bring it to him on the first day itself so he can do the master service and keep the bike running for a long time.

                  Master service = Rs 4000 /3000kms

                  I almost had a heart attack hearing that number.

                  He specifically told me not to put how much he charges on Xbhp as that will deter people from coming to him which i agreed .

                  If he had told the truth that he doesnt do the engine work wheni first asked him half my day would have not been wasted

                  He also said K&N filter dont need upjetting .

                  How he is able to run his garage with these kinda crappy knowledge and ideas !!!
                  But it is not good that you didn't keep your word regarding revealing the cost of master service here

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                  • Originally posted by SatSon View Post

                    How he is able to run his garage with these kinda crappy knowledge and ideas !!!
                    But it is not good that you didn't keep your word regarding revealing the cost of master service here
                    Mod. forgive this OT .

                    I am made to remember the story that Vivekananda's guru told of 5 blind people going to see an elephant.Each according to his experience of touch argues about the shape of the elephant, a mountain , rope,pillar,flat,spear etc.each is right in his own world of knowledge and truth is the totality of all and ++++of many things not known.
                    Last edited by ekm-biker; 08-19-2012, 01:49 PM.
                    "work for cause n not for applause". "live life 2 express n not 2 impress" ."dont strive to make ur presences noticed, just make ur absence felt".

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                    • Originally posted by ekm-biker View Post
                      Mod. forgive this OT .

                      I am made to remember the story that Vivekananda's guru told of 5 blind people going to see an elephant.Each according to his experience of touch argues about the shape of the elephant, a mountain , rope,pillar,flat,spear etc.each is right in his own world of knowledge and truth is the totality of all and ++++of many things not known.
                      Bit confused,
                      So you say I'm like one of those blinds ?
                      or the garage owner to be like one...

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                      • Originally posted by sooraj_vs View Post
                        That was nice Thank you.

                        But one more thing I need to clarify.
                        As some one said, I tried keeping the high/low switch in the mid position, and both filaments were glowing. But they were not drawing full power, and the net out put was just same as one filament working alone.
                        Why does this happen..?
                        What I believe is Hunk alternator is not giving enough power(read electric current) to drive the 35W itself; even if when both filaments are glowing it cannot produce anymore power, so output would be same.

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                        • Originally posted by SatSon View Post
                          What I believe is Hunk alternator is not giving enough power(read electric current) to drive the 35W itself; even if when both filaments are glowing it cannot produce anymore power, so output would be same.
                          Yes. Thats what I too think and observed.
                          A few pages back, there was a post in which 'ekm_biker' said that current is limited due to load and not by the regulator, so higher wattage will draw more current and glow brighter.

                          @ ekm_biker,
                          sir, could you throw some light into the matter..?
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                          • Originally posted by SatSon View Post
                            Bit confused,
                            So you say I'm like one of those blinds ? not at all
                            or the garage owner to be like one...
                            Now a days there are many a work shop mechanics who thinks that they only know the best .
                            "work for cause n not for applause". "live life 2 express n not 2 impress" ."dont strive to make ur presences noticed, just make ur absence felt".

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                            • Originally posted by SatSon View Post

                              How he is able to run his garage with these kinda crappy knowledge and ideas !!!
                              But it is not good that you didn't keep your word regarding revealing the cost of master service here
                              have you seen hustle

                              BBC Hustle - Series 1 Promo - YouTube

                              did you see how professional his website is ? and then here he was sitting right in front of me and saying he doesnt know how to operate a computer - how he cant even check his mail - it could be true -
                              I could be wrong as well ....hey i am human too .

                              but i aint stepping in that place anytime soon - i mean 4000 bucks for service .

                              @itssaurabh.negi bro this is the ANL pad i got yesterday :

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                              • Today only i checked my engine oil level and in just 500kms it has gone below the minimum mark - so drained it hot and measured it - i poured 900ml and only 550ml left i have treavelled like this at constant 6K RPM yesterday for like 200+Kms then how come my engine didnt seize guys ? .

                                Only had some old 20W 50 oil so poured that as a stop gap measure - fearing the engine might seize i emptied the whole bottle - all 1L of it and took it for a small spin and BAAM the compression goes - the kicker felt free - so push started it in 1 st gear - after a couple of tries it came back to life but the engine was feeling hotter than normal for some reason .

                                I need to get the bore job done quickly now

                                @sinbun one mech in chennai told me SAM pistons are good is that correct ? he also said i can rebore to a over sized piston 0.5mm - he showed me a pulsar 200CC bore that he rebored that day

                                He also said the head work is needed along with the rebore work - is that true ? he is quoting Rs 2700 for the entire job .

                                also wont the bore would have got damaged yesterday as my bike was only riding on just 550ml of oil ? is it now advisable to change the entire kit or i can look into re boring even now?

                                all i want is a trouble free ride for the next 40K

                                UPDATE : with he 20W 50 oil the bike managed to hit 95Km/hr only with a pillion - combined weight of 145Kgs ...earlier it would cross 100Km/hr .
                                Last edited by sarbanoxley; 08-19-2012, 07:33 PM.
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