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  • #20296
    Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

    Originally posted by msandeep27 View Post
    If i now clean the chain with a motul chain clearner and use motul chain lube at regular intervals will the existing chain work or is it better to get a new one.
    Replace the chain set immediately. Even before you complete reading this message. It is outrightly dangerous to move your bike in this condition of the chain.

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    • #20297
      Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

      Originally posted by muztariq View Post
      Replace the chain set immediately. Even before you complete reading this message. It is outrightly dangerous to move your bike in this condition of the chain.

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      I spoke to one of the yamaha service center they just sprayed the chain spray and asked me to ride .It seems i have to change the chain sprocket only.But i am still feeling that may be if i clean it it will work fine. But not sure about it what all parameters do i need to check in order to be sure. If you need any more images as well i can post it as you request.

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      • #20298
        Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

        Originally posted by msandeep27 View Post
        I spoke to one of the yamaha service center they just sprayed the chain spray and asked me to ride .It seems i have to change the chain sprocket only.But i am still feeling that may be if i clean it it will work fine. But not sure about it what all parameters do i need to check in order to be sure. If you need any more images as well i can post it as you request.
        Even if you clean and use, it will be of no help. The chain can break at any point of time without prior warning.

        Cheerz!!
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        • #20299
          Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

          [MENTION=37154]msandeep27[/MENTION] The condition of the chain is very worse. The safe and sane thing to do is to change the chain and sprocket. I will tell you an incident that happened to my friend who also has a FZ-S. He never took good care of his chain set. Once in a while he used to get them lubed by the mechanic. He also forgot to do that for some 1000 kms as a result the chain had lot of slack and jumped from the rear sprocket and jammed the wheel at 70 kms/h speed. He sustained collar bone fracture, 4 bones broken in the leg and lots of skin damage.
          The reason we insist on proper maintenance of the chain set is that it is the power transmitting part of the bike. The engine power is transmitted to the wheels only by the chain set, if it is no properly lubed or major wear in the chain set could lead to disastrous consequences.
          It is our humble request please change the chain sprocket set as we do care for you.
          Cheers,
          Mathews

          Smile at everyone you meet and make someone happy.

          Its better to sweat than bleed!! "AGATT "



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          • #20300
            Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

            After reading such a story I am not getting courage to get it cleaned. I will replace it by tomorrow itself. Please tell me what is the best chain lube motul or any other company and at what interval I should do it

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            • #20301
              Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

              Originally posted by msandeep27 View Post
              After reading such a story I am not getting courage to get it cleaned. I will replace it by tomorrow itself. Please tell me what is the best chain lube motul or any other company and at what interval I should do it

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              Always keep the bike chain optimaly tight, motul is the best chain lube, chain should be cleaned every 600 to 700 kms for normal conditions and if you are riding in dusty conditions the the cleaning interval should be halved of normal conditions.

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              • #20302
                Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                Originally posted by devils_friend View Post
                ... FZ has O-Ring type chain.
                Zero, is my hands on experience with O-Ring type chains.

                Originally posted by accuengineer View Post
                ... The reason we insist on proper maintenance of the chain set is that it is the power transmitting part of the bike. The engine power is transmitted to the wheels only by the chain set, if it is no properly lubed or major wear in the chain set could lead to disastrous consequences.
                ...
                What's the cheap & best lube for O-Ring type chains?

                We've EP-90 GearOil for Conventional type chains.

                Edit: found a DIY on O-Ring chains
                Bike O-Ring Chain - Cleaning & Lubrication - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community
                http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universal-threads/16512-bike-o-ring-chain-cleaning-lubrication.html
                The gold mine of all the topics which are frequently discussed..


                What's the advantage of O-Ring type chains over conventional ones?

                Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post
                Change the chain-sprocket set. Recommended to change at 12k kms as per manual ...
                Edit 2:
                - O-Ring chains ought to last longer than Conventional roller chains.
                - O-Ring chains need minimal lubrication. I don't think EP-90 & Grease can be used on O-Rings chains, as these attract dirt & hence cause adverse effects.
                - Once warmed up O-Ring chains are as effective as conventional roller chains.
                - Conventional roller chains stretch/wear much faster compared to O-Ring chains; as O-Ring chains come with lube-locked within from factory.

                That said, isn't 12,000 kms too much shorter life for an O-Ring chain?
                Last edited by SparKot; 06-30-2014, 09:28 PM.
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                • #20303
                  Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                  [MENTION=36366]SparKot[/MENTION] I would not say cheap but it surely does the job. I use Diamond chain spray - Rs. 120 per can. it lasts for about 4-5 sprays at an interval of 300 kms.
                  cheers
                  Mathews

                  Smile at everyone you meet and make someone happy.

                  Its better to sweat than bleed!! "AGATT "



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                  • #20304
                    Originally posted by SparKot View Post
                    That said, isn't 12,000 kms too much shorter life for an O-Ring chain?
                    No, it isn't short.
                    Under normal conditions and normal maintenance, the chain would last for 15-17k kms. With no conditioning, it can fail as early as 7-8k kms and with timely/early cleaning, the life can be increased drastically. I had changed the previous chain set at 12k and it was like new and now the second one is now close to 17k kms and there isn't much wear n tear. I always do cleaning and lubing at every 200-250kms.

                    As for O-ring chains, see these are closed type chains and have internal lubrication (like in case of bearings). But what about outer surface ? It would require lubrication for operation over sprockets. That's where chain lubes/gear oils come.
                    You should search for a thread maybe in general discussion on O-ring chains. Many others and I have explained the difference between the chain types.

                    Also, chain life depends upon many other factors like environmental conditions, riding style and many other factors. This is the reason no two bikes will have the same chain-sprocket life.
                    Ride safe and have fun.
                    Regards
                    Nadeem

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                    • #20305
                      Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                      Originally posted by msandeep27 View Post
                      After reading such a story I am not getting courage to get it cleaned. I will replace it by tomorrow itself. Please tell me what is the best chain lube motul or any other company and at what interval I should do it

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                      Just invest in a good chain set. It comes in 1200 to 1300 and roadside mechanic takes 150 rs as labor.
                      Just keep lubricating the chain with any 20w40 oil. Even 15w40 or 20w50 will do. EP 90 gear oil is also good. The more you can lubricate the chain the better life it gets.

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                      • #20306
                        Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                        Hello everyone,

                        Facing chain issues for sometime now. The chain becomes tight. Had my mechanic adjust it twice now. He says the chain is nearing the end of its life. So it's tightening up. I'm not able to understand how that could happen. Also my gearshifts have become tight. The mechanic says its because of the tight chain. Can that be possible? I checked my engine oil and it seems fine. Bike has completed 14700kms in 2 years.
                        In these 2 years I've tried to clean and lube the chain as many times as I could. Although sometimes there would be a gap of almost 1k kms before I could lube again.
                        Anyway I'm attaching some pics of my chain. Does the chain look like it should be replaced?
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                        Any suggestions welcome!!


                        Cheers!!
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                        • #20307
                          Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                          Originally posted by arijitmaniac View Post
                          Hello everyone,

                          Facing chain issues for sometime now. The chain becomes tight. Had my mechanic adjust it twice now. He says the chain is nearing the end of its life. So it's tightening up. I'm not able to understand how that could happen. Also my gearshifts have become tight. The mechanic says its because of the tight chain. Can that be possible? I checked my engine oil and it seems fine. Bike has completed 14700kms in 2 years.
                          In these 2 years I've tried to clean and lube the chain as many times as I could. Although sometimes there would be a gap of almost 1k kms before I could lube again.
                          Anyway I'm attaching some pics of my chain. Does the chain look like it should be replaced?

                          Any suggestions welcome!!


                          Cheers!!
                          From the first pic I see that, the nut isn't at the last setting. The chain might be tightening up due to misalignment of the wheel. Nut should be at same position on both sides, check the same. Since you have already covered 14700kms, it is time for you to change the chain set. Hard gearshifts maybe due to worn out clutch plates, replace them if required.

                          Cheerz!!
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                          • #20308
                            Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                            It is a very simple mistake that all the mechanics do. They loosen the main nut and just turn one or two turns of the chain slack adjuster nut in one side and forget about the other side. then they feel the tension in the chain. Then for name sake turn the other side chain slack adjuster. Then tighten the main nut.

                            You can DIY. Just observe whether both the nut and the bolt side are in the same line. If not adjust it. Once aligned, check the slack of the chain( 30-40mm)
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                            Now after adjustment, use a tooth brush and push the chain upward from the bottom. Now slowly rotate the back tyre. If the alignment is correct then the tightness on the chain should be even.. If not readjust.

                            I found one more culprit while changing my chain sprocket set. The shock rear drive hub(Sl no-6 in the photo)
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                            Can also be the culprit as there will be more play leading to miss alignment of the chain sprocket leading to tightness in the chain.

                            Cheers,

                            Mathews

                            Smile at everyone you meet and make someone happy.

                            Its better to sweat than bleed!! "AGATT "



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                            • #20309
                              Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                              Originally posted by devils_friend View Post
                              From the first pic I see that, the nut isn't at the last setting. The chain might be tightening up due to misalignment of the wheel. Nut should be at same position on both sides, check the same. Since you have already covered 14700kms, it is time for you to change the chain set. Hard gearshifts maybe due to worn out clutch plates, replace them if required.

                              Cheerz!!
                              Originally posted by accuengineer View Post
                              It is a very simple mistake that all the mechanics do. They loosen the main nut and just turn one or two turns of the chain slack adjuster nut in one side and forget about the other side. then they feel the tension in the chain. Then for name sake turn the other side chain slack adjuster. Then tighten the main nut.

                              You can DIY. Just observe whether both the nut and the bolt side are in the same line. If not adjust it. Once aligned, check the slack of the chain( 30-40mm)

                              Now after adjustment, use a tooth brush and push the chain upward from the bottom. Now slowly rotate the back tyre. If the alignment is correct then the tightness on the chain should be even.. If not readjust.

                              I found one more culprit while changing my chain sprocket set. The shock rear drive hub(Sl no-6 in the photo)


                              Can also be the culprit as there will be more play leading to miss alignment of the chain sprocket leading to tightness in the chain.

                              Cheers,

                              Mathews
                              Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Yes the shock drive was changed recently. I had given the bike for greasing of the swingarm pivots and wheel bearings. Thats when the mechanic showed me that the rear shock drive rubber was gone.
                              Okay so let me follow the simplest of procedures first i.e. check the wheel alignment. If not then I'll take it to some other mechanic.


                              Cheers!!
                              Your pair of feet can tire you... Your pair of wheels can never tire you...

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                              • #20310
                                Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

                                Hi guys,

                                I finally changed my chain sprocket today . Next thing I want to get a good chain lube. I came to know about abro , ows, castrol,tribocor etc . Which one is good ?? I know that motul is the best but its costly. If there is anything equally better please suggest

                                Thanka

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