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  • Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
    what about in between new and worn out??? when can one say that the chain has worn out??
    Worn out got its links expanded to threshold point making it susceptible to breaking. Chain is said to be out when it's out of adjustment (in layman term). Plus increase in pitch causes slippage and damage to sprockets.
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    • Originally posted by deville_56 View Post
      Worn out got its links expanded to threshold point making it susceptible to breaking. Chain is said to be out when it's out of adjustment (in layman term). Plus increase in pitch causes slippage and damage to sprockets.
      so basically the chain breakage we are talking about is due to elongation of the links and then breaking from the link and not from the point where links are joined....
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      • Originally posted by WitchuMon View Post
        i am interested in buying a yamaha fz16 .. can u please tell me that this bike is good or not ....

        in its class FZ or Fazer is a good bike, it has a very good built quality. It has a very good road Presence and for urban cursing its a very nice bike. I dont have ta speak bout lookz do i.

        There only 2 things u need to compromise for this bike.
        Fuel Average and cost of running.....its spares are a lil tad on expensive side and availability is an issue at time (atleast here in mumbai)



        And to the 1 who is thinking of braking the linkage to shorten the chain, i highly recommend against.
        Unknowlingly i got my chain n sprocket changed wid a local made 1c. After that i put a Free Flow Exhaust the torque generated increased and to ma good luck the chain snapped while i tried to take strong pick from signal. later wen i was pushing it to safety it got wound up in the hub of rear tire.

        So all i can say is dont ever try to mess wid the chain, if u get it wrong n it gives up at high speed it can get caught in the rear, tire lock it up n u will have a horrible accident.

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        • Originally posted by Lucky Luke View Post
          +1....and I also would add - sorry if that is taken badly but so be it! - that giving such advises is dangerous, reveals total ignorance and is totally irresponsible! If one does not care for his life (or for his legs when a chain snaps: we are not talking bicycles here!), he should at least have consideration for others.
          It also amazes me to continually read on this otherwise remarkable forum that the nearly one and only concern by people who have bought such macho-show-bikes as our FZ-16 and other Fazers keep on trying to save a couple of Rupees here and there! I have known some real "cheapos", but some here are beyond anything I've seen!
          Hi Luke,
          Don't be so aggressive. Nand didn't say that he did not want to replace the chain because it is too costly even he thinks that way because he is not aware of the consequences of a broken chain while riding, so people who are aware of it just have to give him a word of advice not to pound on him.
          Originally posted by muztariq View Post
          hi, its time for me to step in before it gets dirtier than this.
          I was very skeptical to join forums like these just because of this. A healthy debate is always welcome but it should not go below a level.
          Just attaching pictures and links of a GSXR1000 chain being reduced to fit a new swing arm.
          When a 1000 cc bike can manage to do that a 150 cc can surely do.
          The advice was for the guy who was looking for a low cost (but not "CHEAP") alternative to a battery sometime back.. If his chain is just loose he can very well manage to do what I advised.
          I am quite senior to biking and consider the mates here as brothers.. A healthy debate is always welcome but please don't go beyond a level.
          Every guy who invested in a Fazer or an FZ is well off or else he would not have bought the costliest bike in the category and put synthetics which costs nearly the same as a chain set.. but that doesnt mean we advice him to change a chain set just because he cant tighten it further!!
          May be the life of the chain set is 20K. Dear Nand.. please replace your bike's chain set then.. ;-)
          Quote from the website - Since the swingarm is significantly longer, you'll need to custom-cut your chain. Wrap the chain around the sprockets and mark where the ends meet. If you plan to dragrace in a class with a maximum wheelbase, set the wheel in position for that length and cut the chain one link shorter than the chain measures out. Street riders can simply cut the chain at the most convenient link.

          In front of HAYABUSA our bike can also be considered as "bicycles"
          It is always better to replace the chain as per the manufacturer's recommendation. We don't know how much damaged the chain is (as per Nand's description it looks like it is beyond adjustment) so dangerous to provide such advice even though it can be done.
          Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
          well i dont know whether this should be done or not.... but seeing that a hayabusa can do it then doing it on an fz16 shouldnt be a problem....
          plus if thought logically....
          chains are basically links and not a single string which will loose its strength....
          the strength of the small cylinderical bars in the chain holding the chain will be the same even if they are attached to another link....
          in my opinion one should not shorten the links if the chain has been worn out... but then again chain lengthening beyond a certain point can be termed as an indication of a worn out chain??
          also how one can see if the chain and sprockets have worn out or not??
          because at 21k km my rear sprocket looks as good as new... but the chain can be tightened only for a couple of times more.....
          You will need to align the chain & sprocket properly with correct tension otherwise the chain will wear out fast. Which can be done properly at SVC unless you know recommended settings.
          Originally posted by nand15 View Post
          the splendor chains are closed chains , and with a little maintenance will go a long way , these open chains may not last that much .
          Not true, O ring chains are packed with high pressure grease which is sealed with inner & outer links with rubber O rings due to which the chain life is greatly enhanced. The O ring keeps the water & dirt out. One has to take care while cleaning like do not use pressure washers which damages the O rings & contaminate with the lubricant & lubricate the chain at proper intervals. You can visually check the O rings. I had a damaged O ring which I found in the front sprocket cover, thought of posting a pic here but didn't.
          Last edited by abhijitkn; 02-22-2012, 02:37 PM.
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          • Originally posted by kinshuk.arya View Post
            so basically the chain breakage we are talking about is due to elongation of the links and then breaking from the link and not from the point where links are joined....
            "May" lead to fracturing of side plates. If not chain, sprocket is gonna damage
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            • Originally posted by deville_56 View Post
              "May" lead to fracturing of side plates. If not chain, sprocket is gonna damage
              Yup I would say better be safe then getting into trouble later. Plus 1300 bucks is not that expensive. Consider it as a one time cost for a good 15-20,000 kms which is approx Rs 1 - 0.065/- per km based on the life cycle of the chain and sprockets i would highly recommend that you change the chain and sprocket set together as using already a used sprocket may lead to weird screeching chain noise and also may start uneven friction and wear reducing the life of the chain faster.

              SLIGHT OT:

              I am currently having fun with my friend's R170 (details have been written extensively at Abhimanyu31's page). So my lovely FZ-X is now taking a break and at times going out with my close friend. Her servicing will be due soon, so i am planning to upgrade the head light to 60W 55 bulb. Battery drain won't much of a problem since i don't do much of night riding and usually the lights come on when the alternator is doing around 3k-4k rpm which should provide enough charge to the battery to handle the load.


              Cheers
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              • Originally posted by abhijitkn View Post
                Hi Luke,
                Don't be so aggressive. Nand didn't say that he did not want to replace the chain because it is too costly even he thinks that way because he is not aware of the consequences of a broken chain while riding, so people who are aware of it just have to give him a word of advice not to pound on him.

                I think this is a case of mistaken identity . I was all for replacing the chain rather than removing the links , as my chain is now beyond adjustment and I really don't want to run any risk of it snapping .

                It is always better to replace the chain as per the manufacturer's recommendation. We don't know how much damaged the chain is (as per Nand's description it looks like it is beyond adjustment) so dangerous to provide such advice even though it can be done.

                Agreed

                Not true, O ring chains are packed with high pressure grease which is sealed with inner & outer links with rubber O rings due to which the chain life is greatly enhanced. The O ring keeps the water & dirt out. One has to take care while cleaning like do not use pressure washers which damages the O rings & contaminate with the lubricant & lubricate the chain at proper intervals. You can visually check the O rings. I had a damaged O ring which I found in the front sprocket cover, thought of posting a pic here but didn't.
                would be of great help if you could post that pic , would make it easier for us to check the status of our chains too ...
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                • Chain Testing

                  First of all thanks abhijeet for clearing a lot of doubts and the info on o-ring type chain was very good.

                  I have found a website which will further clear the doubts and also inform about some tools to check chain wear.

                  Attaching a pic and an excerpt from the link.

                  Dan's Motorcycle "The Rear Chain"

                  Quote: You can tell if the chain is worn by pushing up on the chain in the middle (between the sprockets) with one hand, while pulling on the chain at the rear sprocket. If you can pull the chain out from the sprocket much at all, say 1/4" or more, the chain is worn out.

                  Happy Reading
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                  • Originally posted by muztariq;775646
                    Attaching a pic and an excerpt from the link.

                    [url=http://www.dansmc.com/rearchain.HTM
                    Dan's Motorcycle "The Rear Chain"[/url]

                    Quote: You can tell if the chain is worn by pushing up on the chain in the middle (between the sprockets) with one hand, while pulling on the chain at the rear sprocket. If you can pull the chain out from the sprocket much at all, say 1/4" or more, the chain is worn out.

                    Happy Reading
                    This is the exact state of my chain .
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                    • Originally posted by muztariq View Post
                      You can tell if the chain is worn by pushing up on the chain in the middle (between the sprockets) with one hand, while pulling on the chain at the rear sprocket. If you can pull the chain out from the sprocket much at all, say 1/4" or more, the chain is worn out.
                      Originally posted by nand15 View Post
                      This is the exact state of my chain .
                      Exactly, if you can lift your chain more than one half of the way up a tooth on the rear sprocket then it's had it & most probably so has the sprocket. Installing a new chain over the worn sprocket is a waste of time & money.
                      Just sharing little information on the subject..you can Google for more.
                      Sprocket Wear:



                      Chain Slack:

                      O ring chain:



                      X Ring Chain: latest innovation & variant of O ring type chain.

                      Chain Wear comparison:
                      Regards,
                      Abhijit

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                      • Originally posted by abhijitkn View Post
                        Exactly, if you can lift your chain more than one half of the way up a tooth on the rear sprocket then it's had it & most probably so has the sprocket. Installing a new chain over the worn sprocket is a waste of time & money.
                        Just sharing little information on the subject..you can Google for more.
                        Sprocket Wear:



                        Chain Slack:
                        Thanks for the info Abhijit. Much appreciated.
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                        • Guys,

                          Today i went to Raj Yamaha in OMR, Chennai to buy engine oil and oil filter for my fz-16. To my great surprise they said they (and all Yamaha SVC) do not sell oil and filter. If at all i have to get the bike serviced and get these work done.

                          Can someone confirm if it's true? Any alternative to get Yamalube and oil filter?

                          Thnx
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                          • Originally posted by nirvaana View Post
                            Guys,

                            Today i went to Raj Yamaha in OMR, Chennai to buy engine oil and oil filter for my fz-16. To my great surprise they said they (and all Yamaha SVC) do not sell oil and filter. If at all i have to get the bike serviced and get these work done.

                            Can someone confirm if it's true? Any alternative to get Yamalube and oil filter?

                            Thnx
                            If there is a spare outlet there, then they will sell it. I've bought them N times. If they decline, call Yamaha customer care, right from there
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                            • Motul 300v for Yamaha FZ-16

                              Used Yamalube mineral oil for ~15K km, changing it at regular intervals of 2.5K-3K Km. For the last ~3K km been using Yamalube semi-Synthetic(used in R15). Now am thinking of trying Motul 300v 15W50, would like to know if its OK...would be great if anyone with experience shares their review and also the drain period for it.

                              As the oil capacity is 1.2L and most of the oils come in 1L packs, is it OK to add any other oil for the remaining 200ml as long as the viscosity rating is same?
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                              • Originally posted by jkhan69 View Post
                                Used Yamalube mineral oil for ~15K km, changing it at regular intervals of 2.5K-3K Km. For the last ~3K km been using Yamalube semi-Synthetic(used in R15). Now am thinking of trying Motul 300v 15W50, would like to know if its OK...would be great if anyone with experience shares their review and also the drain period for it.

                                As the oil capacity is 1.2L and most of the oils come in 1L packs, is it OK to add any other oil for the remaining 200ml as long as the viscosity rating is same?
                                the oil volume is just 1 litre.. 900 ml in engine and 100 ml in filter.. Try Motul 300v now!! Of course with filter change..

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