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  • Re: Honda CBR 250R

    Originally posted by road_shredder View Post
    also please throw some light on rear tyre wobbling issue. bike has covered 73xx kms and tyres rims seals chain sprockets are in good health.
    For dent removal, you can go to a car workshop they are master of dent removal

    With the rear tyre wobbly, it could be the following parts :

    1. Rim
    2. Chain Sprocket
    3. Rear tyre
    4. Rear wheel bearings
    5. The rubber dampers inside the rear wheel.

    Now as you say that tyres, rims, and chain sprockets are all in good condition the only thing remains is the rear wheel bearings and the rubber dampers (not sure whether worn out dampers causes wobble)

    I would suggest you to loosen the chain and re-tighten it properly, get the bearings removed and have a look. ideally they should not go kaput soon, but still give it a try.

    Are you 100% sure that the wobble is from rear wheel ?

    Cheers,
    Sanjay

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    Originally posted by NightFurry View Post
    I am getting a metal to metal contact sound kind... From my brakes. Both front and back. Brads pads changed both.
    Evem after 200kms still there are sound. Earlier also it was like that only. Last brake pad lasted for 8k kms but sound dint go.

    Asked the SVC to service the assembly, but he said "Yeh khulta nahi hai kaise karu servicing?"
    Originally posted by NightFurry View Post
    Even I had seen people using it in instead of OEM Honda. Its a direct if

    A bit of noise will always be there as when we pump the brakes the pads are always in contact with the disc even when the lever is left off.

    if the sound is very much audible while riding, check for uneven brake pads or check the brake disc, if the disc is out of its specified thickness, then this could be the issue. If the disc is fine then rub the uneven brake pads with sand paper and then check the noise.

    But you need to understand that a bit of noise will always be there as the brakes are always in contact with the disc. Now coming the life of pads, for me the very first set lasted for 8K kms (front) and 14K(rear) I am running on second set of rear pads (Bajaj 220 rear disc pads) and the front has been changed thrice with the average interval of 7-8k kms, I stand at total of 27K kms now. so your disc pads wearing of is normal as per me.

    SVC saying "Yeh khulta nahi hai kaise karu servicing?" is plain BS, as the calipers needs greasing and rubber bushes needs replacement after certain interval. check out a different SVC.

    Your second post is confusing, what you want to say bro ?

    Cheers,
    Sanjay

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    Originally posted by sanjaynk15 View Post
    Exactly where is the dent located bro? Did you think of using those dent removal tools which are available online/via teleshopping? New tank costs about 9k from indiaspares.in:banghead: really sorry to hear about that dent buddy
    Those dent removal tool hardly worked, I don't remember it accurately but I read somewhere in some of the thread a guy had brought a dent remover from snapdeal. I guess and that device was plain crap. so they don't work as advertised.

    Cheers,
    Sanjay
    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/touring-queries-route-planning-itinerary/33587-endurance-ride.html

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    • Re: Honda CBR 250R

      Originally posted by sanjaysangar1990 View Post
      Some updates on the annoying issue which I was facing since couple of months.

      I was whining a lot on the shim/cam chain/cct noise harassing me a lot. I got the cct replaced and also did the DIY suggested by [MENTION=80157]sman999[/MENTION] but the harassment continued.

      I went to vihan honda in the month of Feb and got the head opened to check the valve clearances. I was myself present there when the readings were taken, the mech ( abdul) said all is well with the shims and thoda bohot.noise toh rahega hi!!! I took his words nicely and thought I am being paranoid about small small noise.

      Then I came to pune as I work here, daily commuting was going on and the noise is still there and it only worsened when I use to get stuck in traffic. The stitching noise was very much and it increased day by day.

      I kept on asking many people to point me to a competent svc who should help me in gettting the problem solved but no luck. I asked someone from the cbr250r international group on FB and got the reference of kothari wheels@tilak road near swargate, Pune.

      I booked the appointment and requested the service manager to allow me in the service bay to which he agreed very nicely.

      The next day I went early by 6 am to my Friends place who stays near by to the SVC so that the bike will cool down and then the mech will get proper readings and the issue will be resolved. Within 4 hours the bike was cool enough and then went there, created the job card and the mech (aasif) took the bike to the 3rd floor where the service will be performed. I had asked him to check other things too. So that the bike will further cool down. By 11 am the head was opened and we took the readings and to my shock the readings on the exhaust valves were showing clearance of 35mm, ideally it should be 27mm and for the inlet it was showing 33mm ideally it should be 16mm. The reading was done and this mech was literally doing the calculations in his notebook to get the proper shim from the parts store. I felt nice as I never saw a mech doing calculations literally on a notebook. Once we ordered the shims, we checked wether the cct is damaged or not, it was not damaged and it was working fine.

      Then we came to the camshafts now this could be the real culprit in screwing up the bike's shims. The exhaust and the inlet cam has to be alligned properly to get the correct timing, in my case the alignment was not proper. All this screwup, I give credit to (abdul) from vihaan honda who @14k kms changed the shim but never bothered to check the alingment of both the camshafts. Wether he did it on purpose or it was a human error, I am not going to vihaan honda again.

      As the timing was set incorrect due to misaligned camshafts, my shims gave up soon and if I hadn't got it checked soon, my timing chain would have scrwed up too.

      The shims came to us and with many permutations and combinations we got the exact clearance for the exhaust valve which is 27 and for the inlet we had to compromise a bit as the exact shims size were not available so the inlet clearance is at 18mm. When I asked the mech about keeping +2mm more in the inlet valves, he said +/- 2mm chalta hai sir, taking his words coming from an angel who pointed out the mistakes from vihaan honda I happily agreed and fitted the head back and rest of the body parts and now comes the moment of truth I fired the engine and I was smiling a lot why, because the noise was gone and the firing was very healthy as expected from a well maintened CBR. I payed the bill and tipped the mech as well for his awesome job.

      I rode towards home and it was pure bliss to ride those 20 odd kms, no noise whatsoever. I am.a happy bunny now

      Now for the guys who are looking for a decent SVC in PUNE to get their CBRs serviced be it small or big service. You can go to kothari wheels@tilak road, the people there are co-operative and the mechanic is very patient enough to get things resolved. I can vouch for the mech as well as the service personnel.

      Thanks to all people who listened to my ranting and thanks to all who pointed me to the right place and thanks to the mech.

      Cheers,
      Sanjay
      I'm glad you found a better SVC and got your problems sorted out. Nearly every time I go to Abdul with any issue, be it a weird clicking noise from the engine, a simple job of chain tightening, an improper clutch setting or vibrations in the handlebars between 70-80kmph, he has this standard answer, "Utna toh (my problem) hota hi hai. Sab theek hai." He did a good job with my 150R over a year ago, when the camshafts, valve caps and shims were changed (thanks to the previous owner's mistreatment and my lack of awareness about how to ensure getting a good bike back then). He just has some attitude/letharginess issues. But with the kind of work pressure he has, I'm guessing he does that just to avoid having to undertake jobs that he feels may not be important to him (unfortunately, we take the beating here).

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      • Re: Honda CBR 250R

        Just changed my rear brake pads to p220 brake pads, they looked better than the Honda ones and hope they last a lot longer, wat life did it give for you guys? Coming to the front ones, any alternatives? The p220 ones costed me 150rs compared to the Honda ones which are 800... If there is fit for the front brake pads, please keep me posted . should take the old front brake pads n compare it to the rs200 ones cause someone said it might be a fit...

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        • Re: Honda CBR 250R

          Originally posted by Deathwing View Post
          Just changed my rear brake pads to p220 brake pads, they looked better than the Honda ones and hope they last a lot longer, wat life did it give for you guys? Coming to the front ones, any alternatives? The p220 ones costed me 150rs compared to the Honda ones which are 800... If there is fit for the front brake pads, please keep me posted . should take the old front brake pads n compare it to the rs200 ones cause someone said it might be a fit...
          For me the pulsar 220 pads still has 5-6k of life in it. I fixed them when my bike was 14k old and the bike is at 27k kms now. So already a healthy 13k kms covered and some life is left which if used conservatively, will see me through 18k kms mark which IMHO opinion is very good life.

          Now coming to the comparison of RS 200 AND CBR250R brake pads. I am sure that they wont be similar as the cuts inside the HONDA pads differs from the cuts inside the pads made by BAJAJ. Although I am not sure wether the groves inside the pads matters or not.

          [MENTION=38672]Mail2vasant[/MENTION] had installed the front brake pads from a scooter (HONDA make) who has front disk brakes pads which are a direct fit to CBR250R as per his words. I never tried hence cannot comment.

          Cheers,
          Sanjay
          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/touring-queries-route-planning-itinerary/33587-endurance-ride.html

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          • Re: Honda CBR 250R

            Originally posted by sanjaysangar1990 View Post
            For me the pulsar 220 pads still has 5-6k of life in it. I fixed them when my bike was 14k old and the bike is at 27k kms now. So already a healthy 13k kms covered and some life is left which if used conservatively, will see me through 18k kms mark which IMHO opinion is very good life.

            Now coming to the comparison of RS 200 AND CBR250R brake pads. I am sure that they wont be similar as the cuts inside the HONDA pads differs from the cuts inside the pads made by BAJAJ. Although I am not sure wether the groves inside the pads matters or not.

            [MENTION=38672]Mail2vasant[/MENTION] had installed the front brake pads from a scooter (HONDA make) who has front disk brakes pads which are a direct fit to CBR250R as per his words. I never tried hence cannot comment.

            Cheers,
            Sanjay
            They were from Aviator's disc brake model as per the mechanic. The pads are still in gr8 conditions.

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            • Re: Honda CBR 250R

              Originally posted by joelgreen View Post
              I'm glad you found a better SVC and got your problems sorted out. Nearly every time I go to Abdul with any issue, be it a weird clicking noise from the engine, a simple job of chain tightening, an improper clutch setting or vibrations in the handlebars between 70-80kmph, he has this standard answer, "Utna toh (my problem) hota hi hai. Sab theek hai." He did a good job with my 150R over a year ago, when the camshafts, valve caps and shims were changed (thanks to the previous owner's mistreatment and my lack of awareness about how to ensure getting a good bike back then). He just has some attitude/letharginess issues. But with the kind of work pressure he has, I'm guessing he does that just to avoid having to undertake jobs that he feels may not be important to him (unfortunately, we take the beating here).
              There are some people if they are good at something they get overconfident over time and then loose the focus on which they are good at. In short (chane ke jhaad pe chad jaana).

              Whatever the work pressure is, if a customer is paying heavy labour charges towards fixing the bike, then please whatever pressure is the mechanic on, he has to fix the bike. The labour charge is way too much in vihaan when compared to its other HONDA counterparts.

              And since I had my experience a very bitter one and mind you it could have had devastating effect, if I never pursued the issue which my bike was facing. I am never going to vihaan again, as kothari wheels is much better proposition for me.

              In my next visit to my home in mumbai, I will surely make a pit stop at vihaan honda and will give them my piece of mind, cause they ignored the issue of the wrong guy. I am also planning to send a detailed email to HONDA once I consult the service manager of Kothari wheels. I am going to harass them a little bit for sure. The last time I made a complaint for sai point honda@mira bhayander for not using the paddock stand for tightening the drive chain. I got a call next day from the sai point SVC apologising me and asking to come back and they will use a paddock stand this time.

              And till date if I go there for small issue like conset tightening and chain tightening, it is done free of cost. Thats my story of what happened after I sent a email to HONDA.

              Cheers,
              Sanjay
              Last edited by sanjaysangar1990; 04-19-2016, 02:01 PM.
              http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/touring-queries-route-planning-itinerary/33587-endurance-ride.html

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              • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                Originally posted by Mail2vasant View Post
                They were from Aviator's disc brake model as per the mechanic. The pads are still in gr8 conditions.
                Jus spoke to Didar Honda , they asked if it was 2 or 3 calipre? I'm guessing 2 ,they quoted 620rs.. That's just 180 lesser than the stock Honda brake pads.

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                • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                  Originally posted by Deathwing View Post
                  Jus spoke to Didar Honda , they asked if it was 2 or 3 calipre? I'm guessing 2 ,they quoted 620rs.. That's just 180 lesser than the stock Honda brake pads.
                  It has 2 callipers. I got it for 200 at a local spare parts shop.

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                  • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                    Originally posted by Mail2vasant View Post
                    It has 2 callipers. I got it for 200 at a local spare parts shop.
                    The pads you brought from local spare parts shop is a OEM pad of aviator? or its equivalent manufactured by a different vendor.

                    The reason I ask is that, when OEM products are brought whether in service center or in local spare parts shop the cost mostly wont change. But the difference of cost mentioned by Deathwing and you is much more.

                    Ram

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                    • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                      Originally posted by Iam_Hoodi_CBR View Post
                      The pads you brought from local spare parts shop is a OEM pad of aviator? or its equivalent manufactured by a different vendor.

                      The reason I ask is that, when OEM products are brought whether in service center or in local spare parts shop the cost mostly wont change. But the difference of cost mentioned by Deathwing and you is much more.

                      Ram
                      Not sure of the manufacturer of the pads. I bought them about 7-8 months ago.

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                      • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                        Originally posted by Iam_Hoodi_CBR View Post
                        The pads you brought from local spare parts shop is a OEM pad of aviator? or its equivalent manufactured by a different vendor.

                        The reason I ask is that, when OEM products are brought whether in service center or in local spare parts shop the cost mostly wont change. But the difference of cost mentioned by Deathwing and you is much more.

                        Ram
                        I just picked up pads from another spare shop costed around 200rs but it was not for aviator but for CBR, will update on the wear n tear, my SVC said I have to change my front disc but a local Mech who's putting the front n back brake pads said I can run it for another 10k km, will post a pic of my front brake disc , need to know if change is absolutely necessary if not I'll save about 3600rs. PS. I bought these pads from a spares shop near ekkaduthangal , Chennai.

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                        • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                          Originally posted by Deathwing View Post
                          I see, considering, detailing, waxing n polishing not sure how much of diff it would make n there are red marks on top of the tank as the tank cap fell on my bike a few times , if not I'll go for stickering or repainting, wat do ya think?

                          Polishing will surely take away some part of paint thus reducing the scratch, so the red marks that you have mentioned can be fixed by polishing to an extent. But If you think that there are more number of scratches are there to do this or the scratches are deep then go with stickering or full painting. During my service the technician informed me that full painting will cost around 12K.


                          Originally posted by Deathwing View Post
                          I just picked up pads from another spare shop costed around 200rs but it was not for aviator but for CBR, will update on the wear n tear, my SVC said I have to change my front disc but a local Mech who's putting the front n back brake pads said I can run it for another 10k km, will post a pic of my front brake disc , need to know if change is absolutely necessary if not I'll save about 3600rs. PS. I bought these pads from a spares shop near ekkaduthangal , Chennai.
                          Again any pics on the manufacturer or the brake pads itself?, do let us know if its a good replacement for OEM brake pads on longer run.

                          Ram

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                          • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                            Originally posted by Iam_Hoodi_CBR View Post
                            Polishing will surely take away some part of paint thus reducing the scratch, so the red marks that you have mentioned can be fixed by polishing to an extent. But If you think that there are more number of scratches are there to do this or the scratches are deep then go with stickering or full painting. During my service the technician informed me that full painting will cost around 12K.




                            Again any pics on the manufacturer or the brake pads itself?, do let us know if its a good replacement for OEM brake pads on longer run.

                            Ram
                            Full painting at 12k? Hmmm there is this place called car cares omr, they detailing, waxing n a few packages , I went in just for a wash n was impressed by the service, bike looked spic n span for over a week from jus the wash, I'll keep that as a option, now coming to the brake pads I changed my rear brake pads to p220 brake pads which was 150rs and front brake pads to CBR 150 ones which was about 200rs, I'll keep ya'll updated on the life n use of these brake pads, I'll post below the front brake pads from where I picked it up, its specified below at 450rs, got it for 200.
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                            • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                              This is a pic of my front brake disc, I'm confused whether I need a change or not .
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                              • Re: Honda CBR 250R

                                You got to post a snap which shows the thickness of the disc.
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