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**aman15** · 08-08-2012, 10:25 PM

quiet correction @PSR JI:
The ABS system uses front/
rear wheel speed sensors that feed information
to an ABS modulator that's positioned along the
centerline of the motorcycle for optimum mass
centralization. The modulator has a built-in ECU which processes the flow of hydraulic pressure
to the three-piston front caliper, and the single-
piston rear caliper. The system is only linked rear
to front-- that is, applying the rear brake will also
automatically activate the front, but applying the
front brake will not activate the rear.
And also please go through this link which points out where your ABS won't help you
forum.motorcycle-usa.com/default.aspx?f=22&m=314718

**sumantg** · 08-09-2012, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

All your Queries have been discussed to Death in the FAQs compiled by Aargee. You can find it in his signature if you go one page behind and find his post.

On an update on my situation. I will rank 12/10 for the response my ASC has been giving me all these days. I have nothing to complain about. I barely reported about paint chipping a month ago and even before i knew it the SVC manager took my bike in, took some pics and uploaded it to Honda without my notice. Two weeks ago i went to check if there was any update but due to Holidays and everything HMSI delayed it.
But today to my amusement, the SVC manager contaced HMSI and Directly Told them that he has a spare cylinder block available and is awaiting a cover for the front and that he is going to replace it himself free of cost.
I was surprised so i asked him if HMSI gave him the nod and he said "Sir i have no problem if they give a nod or not, i will replace your block and cover for you when i have both in stock. Expect the cover to arrive in a week or two as ive already placed order 4 days ago for the same"
Now im surprised as to how on earth is he going to bear the cost of this if HMSI hasnt approved it?

I sure hope he isnt replacing my block with somebody's used block now

Id rather have my chipped block than some dude's abused old block.

Why HMSI is changing entire block? Is there any problem with your bikes engine. In your old posts, i read that you were complaining about rattle noise @ 5K rpm. Is this is the reason they are replacing engine block? Please let me know details. My bike has rattle noise @5K prm problem for the past 11 months. So far theyt have changed shims two times, changed cam Shaft and tensioner, but problem is not solved.

When ASC changed shims second time, the rattle noise was disappeared, after 200 kms of ride the sound has come back.

When ASC changed camshaft and tensioner, noise was disappeared, after 200kms of ride the sound has come back.

I don't know what to do right now, I complained this issue to ASC, let's see what they do this time. So far ASC has opened my engine atleast 6 times

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 08-09-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Do not go for the change,since you have to do run in all over again, and most importantly, you may not get a perfect fit as done in the factory.You must have the Piston and bore changed as a MATCHED pair only.....though the variation may not be much in size or procedure, head tightening should be done with Torque wrench only ,otherwise there will be warping which will cause cylinder/piston problem over a period of time.....You now have a set engine, without any problems.

In this case, the other option ASC would provide is to re-paint the block (for which they would remove it). Is that any better? Or is should it be used with the chipped paint?

**aargee** · 08-09-2012, 07:58 PM

Metal - I strongly agree with PSR Ji; this is why I DID not opt to change my entire engine block just for paint peels. Yes, Honda did come forward to change the entire engine block again just because the paint had peeled!!!

**aman15** · 08-09-2012, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Metal - I strongly agree with PSR Ji; this is why I DID not opt to change my entire engine block just for paint peels. Yes, Honda did come forward to change the entire engine block again just because the paint had peeled!!!

Would'nt it be costly for Honda itself to change the engine block rather than just to repaint it ?? And by the way my paint is also peeling off .. What if i leave it like that only ??

**Nithesh** · 08-09-2012, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Do you mean the main engine block ..the cylinder head ? Do not go for the change,since you have to do run in all over again, and most importantly, you may not get a perfect fit as done in the factory.You must have the Piston and bore changed as a MATCHED pair only.....though the variation may not be much in size or procedure, head tightening should be done with Torque wrench only ,otherwise there will be warping which will cause cylinder/piston problem over a period of time.....You now have a set engine, without any problems.

Yes the main block. Im still in two minds on this one because i know repainting is a better option but i dont know if the paint will last more than a couple of months with the heat the bike generates since its done at the ASC. But the paint chips is quite severe on my block which has clocked just a little over 5 1/2 k kms now.

To those who got theirs repainted. Have you guys never had to see the paint peel off again?

Originally posted by sumantg View Post

Why HMSI is changing entire block? Is there any problem with your bikes engine. In your old posts, i read that you were complaining about rattle noise @ 5K rpm. Is this is the reason they are replacing engine block? Please let me know details.

No. Theyre replacing because of the severity of the paint peeling off the block. As for rattle noise at 5k, i dont think any HMSI Asc has a solution to it. If you can ignore it for a few thousand kms then it could disappear by itself. Atleast thats what happened to mine.

**aargee** · 08-09-2012, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by aman15 View Post

Would'nt it be costly for Honda itself to change the engine block rather than just to repaint it ??

You mean HMSI takes my engine all the way to their factory & repaint it? Lol!!! Not even in my dreams!!! I was offered by HMSI for engine to be replaced as the paints were peeling off from cylinder, head as well as at radiator hoses & some places underneath the clutch.

Originally posted by aman15 View Post

What if i leave it like that only ??

1. Someone might point out that & make you feel inferior

2. You might feel someone's bike is superior

Lol...I'm riding in the same condition for past 13K...atleast

**Above_All** · 08-09-2012, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

To those who got theirs repainted. Have you guys never had to see the paint peel off again?

My friend got it painted with powder coating at local car paint shop , its been around 6 months no issue yet .

**aman15** · 08-09-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

You mean HMSI takes my engine all the way to their factory & repaint it? Lol!!! Not even in my dreams!!! I was offered by HMSI for engine to be replaced as the paints were peeling off from cylinder, head as well as at radiator hoses & some places underneath the clutch.

I was talking about replacing the engine only aargee .. I wasnt talking about taking engine to factory and repaint and send again.

1. Someone might point out that & make you feel inferior

2. You might feel someone's bike is superior

Lol...I'm riding in the same condition for past 13K...atleast

Ok so let people think i am cheap i dont care and apart from that no harm right

**psr** · 08-09-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

In this case, the other option ASC would provide is to re-paint the block (for which they would remove it). Is that any better? Or is should it be used with the chipped paint?

Chipped paint will cause no harm whereas an incorrectly assembled head with piston will....

Originally posted by Nithesh View Post

Yes the main block. Im still in two minds on this one because i know repainting is a better option but i dont know if the paint will last more than a couple of months with the heat the bike generates since its done at the ASC. But the paint chips is quite severe on my block which has clocked just a little over 5 1/2 k kms now.

Please do not do the change of head for the sake of paint....It is not worth disturbing a set engine...

Originally posted by aman15 View Post

Ok so let people think i am cheap i dont care and apart from that no harm right

True indeed....
I had observed that any Aluminum alloy engine bike definitely shed their painted surface of the bore...only anodised ones stay that way for longer time..This is because of the difference in the expansion and contraction of Aluminum against that of the paint used....and also the paint temperature capability.....
For the head paint to last long ,The Paint should be High Temperature type, capable of withstanding 300 C...Further the surface of aluminum become brittle and powder like when it oxidizes, which will form a barrier with the paint on surface...It is best to ignore this paint flaking, or get a high temperature paint, and paint the bore, IN PLACE without removing it from the engine....

**karthic M** · 08-09-2012, 11:06 PM

I have seen most of the cbr tends to have paint peeled, it may be due to so much of heat generated. Its nothing serious since its just the aesthetics get affected. May be powder coat it once it gets severe.

**aargee** · 08-09-2012, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by aman15 View Post

Ok so let people think i am cheap i dont care and apart from that no harm right

Uh oh!!! Hope you didn't take my comments seriously; it was meant for LOL

Originally posted by psr View Post

Please do not do the change of head for the sake of paint....It is not worth disturbing a set engine...

1001% Right

The newer batch seems to have addressed this issue; only we were the jokers

Originally posted by karthic M View Post

it may be due to so much of heat generated

Is it a fact or your opinion?
It was an issue with older batch, but then the first CBR in Chennai doesn't have this issue either. Some of them, just at random had this issue.

**karthic M** · 08-09-2012, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Is it a fact or your opinion?
It was an issue with older batch, but then the first CBR in Chennai doesn't have this issue either. Some of them, just at random had this issue.

Its just my opinion since the paint needs to expand due to the temperature of the surface. May be i was wrong. So we are the unlucky ones with Shim and paint peeling problem. However shim issue gets fixed after about 10 times to ASC and near 30 days in ASC . So much for taking care the bike.

**MeTaL_MaNiaC** · 08-09-2012, 11:57 PM

My bike is from first lot and has no paint chipping. This is just a random issue and one more example of HMSI's poor quality control

My question was, is getting a block removed and repainted any better than getting the block replaced? Well, ofcourse i wouldn't had gone for repaint or replacement, but this was for many members who are facing this. (I have more worse issues to worry about than paint chipping

)

**psr** · 08-10-2012, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by MeTaL_MaNiaC View Post

My bike is from first lot and has no paint chipping. This is just a random issue and one more example of HMSI's poor quality control

My question was, is getting a block removed and repainted any better than getting the block replaced? Well, ofcourse i wouldn't had gone for repaint or replacement, but this was for many members who are facing this. (I have more worse issues to worry about than paint chipping

)

I guess you are right with the quality control part...
If you ask me if same cylinder removed and repainted is better or better to go for new cylinder, I would say keep using the present cylinder repainted, 'cause we don't know what Gremlins will emerge from replacement of bore, apart from doing the run in all over again...

There is a saying,"Never trouble,trouble, till trouble troubles you "

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