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  • Got Duke'd today!



    Buying Experience:

    I got my Duke from KTM Lajpat Nagar. A good buying experience in all. Their warehouse is located at Dewan Bajaj, Lajpat Nagar only. Though not a big deal, but one has to walk all the way from KTM showroom to the Bajaj showroom for PDI and delivery.
    I had to choose from several packed bikes and I almost unwrapped each bike just to be sure. Most of the bikes had their battery disconnected but it was connected by the mechanic upon request to check the odometer reading. I guess the odo reading of the bike I chose was somewhere around 4-5 km which is pretty much acceptable.
    Performed the PDI, the bike was filled with a litre of petrol and I was ready to go. Funny incident happened there, When I was about to hop onto the bike, 4-5 men gathered there and their first question was...you guessed it right.."Kitna Deti hai?" I smiled and replied about 35-45 kmpl. Then he asked for price and I said 1.34 Lakhs OTR. Then he goes like "1.34 Lakhs for 35-45"? And there comes his coworker, a sardarji whose exact words I would like to quote here "Ooo Penchoo bike bhi to dekh, Kyaaa Bike hai!" and I burst into laughter. That dialogue gave me a big wide grin for the whole evening.

    There were eyes popping out everywhere I went. Whole staff of the petrol pump where I fueled up was gazing upon the bike. A guy in a 320d even stopped his car to have a good look of the bike. I was feeling like a mini celeb.

    Now coming to the bike:

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    • Originally posted by splus View Post
      I just read this really nice article about engine break in from Power To The Rider. It explains everything in a very easy and detailed way.

      The dilemma of 'Engine Break-in'

      Not to mention their excellent video review of Duke that can be found on
      KTM Duke 200
      Fantastic !!!
      Hell lot of information shared!!
      Cheers!!

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      • Can anybody tell me the price of the Duke's indicators plz?

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        • Originally posted by The Mountain View Post
          The main reason for using mineral during break-in (not a myth) is that the individual molecules in the natural stuff are very irregular, so they don't lubricate quite as efficiently. During break-in, it's actually better to allow the various internal surfaces to bang against each other a bit to remove imperfections and remnants of the machining process. Additionally, mineral oils tend not to have some of the more sophisticated lubricant additive packages that the more expensive synthetic stuff does, so it doesn't leave any kind of protective coating on the engine internals, thus allowing them to come into contact with each other a bit more, particularly during cold-start and under stress.

          Of course the oil makers recommend using their (most expensive) synthetics even during break-in; they're not responsible for your engine internals if they don't properly seat. They make a lot more money on the synthetic stuff, as the profit margin is higher.

          Reliable anecdotes from engine builders I have talked with or worked with have confirmed that engines run on synthetic right from mile 1 have been opened up thousands of miles later to reveal parts still not properly worn in. Piston rings are the biggest victim, but bearings and gear drives are also affected. However, engines broken in for the first 2000 miles or so on mineral, then switched to synthetic, have looked perfectly broken-in and otherwise unworn even tens of thousands of miles later.

          For reference, I'll be getting a Duke here in a couple of months, and will be running it on pure mineral oil to at least 3000km before switching. I'll do the same for the Hayabusa I'll be buying in a year or so.
          Please can you give me any info on this post i had made a few pages earlier..

          This is the only reason i decided to get a Duke, exactly two months back. Test rode it and made the purchase. But after around 400kms on the odo i felt a decrease in this feel. I thought maybe its cause i got used to it. I expected a difference after the first servicing and it came back to its true self, making rides so much more exciting. I believe it maybe the air filter and spark plugs as i do not get good fuel(i doubt it is even RON91) and my city is going through a major reconstruction so there is a lot of dirt at some places(the light kind that flies around). I've done 1600 kms on the odo now and it feels like the 6k feel is shifted to around 8k but with lesser intensity. I am learning how to ride a motorcycle the proper and perfect way, the one im working on is downshifting with perfect rpm throttle blipping at different rev ranges(could this be one of the causes of the decreasing feel of the powerband??). I used bajaj 10000 Dtsi semi synthetic oil as there is no motul outlet here and i do not want to void the warranty(not so soon). I also read somewhere that after 5k on the odo the bike feels better and faster n stuff.. is that even possible? is the 5000 kms like the implicit break-in period? I drive at revs ranging from 4k-7k and when im in the mood max upto 10k but i have never reached the point where the limiter kicks in. Do i need to rev harder? or lesser? All i am looking for is the feel i got in the first 400 kms and the 200 kms after the first servicing. Will i need to clean the airfilter and spark plugs and other stuff to get this feel everytime? and just for a few 100 kms? if so, i am ready to learn how it is to be done... and if not what could be the reason behind this?

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          • Originally posted by maverick1 View Post
            nicely put, they do mention synthetic oil not to be used like many posts but

            i read lots of post about breaking in and some mentions that semi synthetic oil generally being a blend of 30% synthetic and rest mineral is fine for breaking in, even ktm manual recommends DTSI 10000 oil as recommended oil, now does it mean i should let that oil in or replace it with mineral oil, in that case which oil is the recommended mineral oil?
            I suppose semi synthetic isn't as bad as fully synthetic oil for run in, but if you
            want to have best results then it's best to switch to mineral, sooner the better. It's not a problem to change from SS, just change the oil filter as well.
            Whether to change to mineral now or not depends on how many kms you have on your odo, if you're close to first service or not, and if spending extra money just for a shorter time with mineral oil isn't an issue for you. If you're just 100-200 km from first service then it's probably best to wait and change to mineral at first service.

            I read somewhere recently (can't remember where, could be even this thread), that some years ago Yamaha was recommending for their newly released 1000cc R1 to warm up the engine for entire 15min, and only after they got many complaints that the engine would overheat so much that some parts would almost start melting that they changed that recommendation to 5min.

            The point is that bike and oil manufacturers might recommend things that are not the best for our bikes. The MOST important thing for any company is PROFIT. Customers come second. Or third. Actually, often even last...

            It is important to use common sense and not blindly follow anyone's suggestions and recommendations. Read, THINK and then decide. It's YOUR bike.


            Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
            guys , second service is at 6000kms and mineral oil wont last that long .. i will have to get another oil change done at 3.5kms then .. duke and ns come with factory filled bajaj SS engine oil .. many say that this bajaj oil has low life and gear shifts become hard after the engine gets hot .. i had been to probiking service a few days back and i was told to go for motul 7100 for smoother gearshifts ..which mineral oil of 20W50 is best ??..auto service doesnt stock mineral oil ,, they only have bajaj dtsi 10000, motul 7100 and 300v ....what to do ??
            Don't change to fully synthetic man, The Mountain wrote it nicely about his experiences with various mechanics, your engine won't be broken in properly if you have had SS and then change to FS at 1,000 km on your odo.

            If you're now at 800 km then just change to fully mineral on first service.
            If you're really eager to change it to FS then wait at least till 2,500 km total on odo (1,500 km after first service) to change to FS oil.

            And as for what oil - well, just go to a good oil shop and get best 20w50 mineral oil, simple as that. It's only for run in period, engine needs it...

            But if you want to keep it simple then just go with Bajaj semi synthetic oil, it's 70% mineral so it'll also do a job (unlike fully synthetic), but will take more time and won't be as good as fully mineral. In that case it's better to give the engine more time to be broken in and switch to fully synthetic only at second service.

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            • Originally posted by Sh4n3W View Post
              Please can you give me any info on this post i had made a few pages earlier..

              This is the only reason i decided to get a Duke, exactly two months back. Test rode it and made the purchase. But after around 400kms on the odo i felt a decrease in this feel. I thought maybe its cause i got used to it. I expected a difference after the first servicing and it came back to its true self, making rides so much more exciting. I believe it maybe the air filter and spark plugs as i do not get good fuel(i doubt it is even RON91) and my city is going through a major reconstruction so there is a lot of dirt at some places(the light kind that flies around). I've done 1600 kms on the odo now and it feels like the 6k feel is shifted to around 8k but with lesser intensity. I am learning how to ride a motorcycle the proper and perfect way, the one im working on is downshifting with perfect rpm throttle blipping at different rev ranges(could this be one of the causes of the decreasing feel of the powerband??). I used bajaj 10000 Dtsi semi synthetic oil as there is no motul outlet here and i do not want to void the warranty(not so soon). I also read somewhere that after 5k on the odo the bike feels better and faster n stuff.. is that even possible? is the 5000 kms like the implicit break-in period? I drive at revs ranging from 4k-7k and when im in the mood max upto 10k but i have never reached the point where the limiter kicks in. Do i need to rev harder? or lesser? All i am looking for is the feel i got in the first 400 kms and the 200 kms after the first servicing. Will i need to clean the airfilter and spark plugs and other stuff to get this feel everytime? and just for a few 100 kms? if so, i am ready to learn how it is to be done... and if not what could be the reason behind this?
              If you changed the oil only once at first service then you just might try changing that damn oil again together with oil filter, it needs flushing few times before all the metal stuff is out. This could be the case esp if you revved it more after the first service.

              I don't know how the bike pick up feels exactly for you, but when oil is heavy the engine will feel like it's choking and heavy on pick up, with reduced power.

              Of course, it could be air filter if there's really a lot of dirt in the air, but also petrol. If you used the same petrol from the beginning then it's not the petrol because the bike power felt different after delivery and first service.

              You can see in the manual how to check and clean the air filter, easy work. You might start with that...

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              • Originally posted by SpeedyKol View Post
                Can anybody tell me the price of the Duke's indicators plz?
                i think around 1.8k for all four...


                @rohan200ns: if you already did your 1st service and poured bajaj oil then you can even change the oil at home... Buy two bottles of motul 3000 and change the oil you can use the oil for 2k kms and aroun 2.8k on odo change to 7100 and use it till 2nd service...
                This Tail Is Japani Tail (spell as you like)

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                • Hi

                  Have any one used engine flush while changing the engine oil.

                  Kind Regards,
                  Raj

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                  • rear seat modification

                    Hello guys,

                    Has any one changed rear seat? Is there a way to change it to lil bigger than the existing one. and the holder as well. please share ur thoughts if it can be done...

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                    • Originally posted by Raj Churi View Post
                      Hi

                      Have any one used engine flush while changing the engine oil.

                      Kind Regards,
                      Raj
                      The SVC guys used it during the 1st service..

                      Didn't get that at Seawoods SVC for 2nd service. They didn't keep the stock..
                      The best alarm clock is sunshine on chrome.

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                      • Originally posted by yogs.byke View Post
                        Hello guys,

                        Has any one changed rear seat? Is there a way to change it to lil bigger than the existing one. and the holder as well. please share ur thoughts if it can be done...
                        Thats a valid point and a very useful question. Pillion seat of Duke is totally worthless...good for nothing at all. One needs to be 40 kgs of weight to accomodate on that seat.

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                        • Originally posted by splus View Post
                          Don't change to fully synthetic man, The Mountain wrote it nicely about his experiences with various mechanics, your engine won't be broken in properly if you have had SS and then change to FS at 1,000 km on your odo.

                          If you're now at 800 km then just change to fully mineral on first service.
                          If you're really eager to change it to FS then wait at least till 2,500 km total on odo (1,500 km after first service) to change to FS oil.

                          And as for what oil - well, just go to a good oil shop and get best 20w50 mineral oil, simple as that. It's only for run in period, engine needs it...

                          But if you want to keep it simple then just go with Bajaj semi synthetic oil, it's 70% mineral so it'll also do a job (unlike fully synthetic), but will take more time and won't be as good as fully mineral. In that case it's better to give the engine more time to be broken in and switch to fully synthetic only at second service.
                          i will have to purchase mineral oil from outside and give it to svc .. will they accept it ?.. they dont stock mineral oil ...

                          Originally posted by Rahulbarik View Post
                          i think around 1.8k for all four...


                          @rohan200ns: if you already did your 1st service and poured bajaj oil then you can even change the oil at home... Buy two bottles of motul 3000 and change the oil you can use the oil for 2k kms and aroun 2.8k on odo change to 7100 and use it till 2nd service...
                          thx .. 1st service due on thursday ..will buy motul mineral and give it to svc for changing..

                          Originally posted by Raj Churi View Post
                          Hi

                          Have any one used engine flush while changing the engine oil.

                          Kind Regards,
                          Raj
                          what is that ?

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                          • Originally posted by extremerocker00 View Post
                            Thats a valid point and a very useful question. Pillion seat of Duke is totally worthless...good for nothing at all. One needs to be 40 kgs of weight to accomodate on that seat.
                            People looking for pillion comfort shouldn't be going for Duke. IMHO the pillion seat ain't that bad enough, it should easily accommodate a well built individual. But if pillion comfort really matters then go for CBR250R.

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                            • Originally posted by splus View Post
                              If you changed the oil only once at first service then you just might try changing that damn oil again together with oil filter, it needs flushing few times before all the metal stuff is out. This could be the case esp if you revved it more after the first service.

                              I don't know how the bike pick up feels exactly for you, but when oil is heavy the engine will feel like it's choking and heavy on pick up, with reduced power.

                              Of course, it could be air filter if there's really a lot of dirt in the air, but also petrol. If you used the same petrol from the beginning then it's not the petrol because the bike power felt different after delivery and first service.

                              You can see in the manual how to check and clean the air filter, easy work. You might start with that...
                              I did change the oil filter while changing the oil. I thought the metal stuff was really small metal stuff and they were supposed to grind around inside.. I guess ill go for another oil change. Ill switch to FS only after 6000 +. Ill be using dtsi oil for now.. will the valve clearances be set? as it is some kinda pre-second servicing servicing.. . And what about the spark plug? Should i clean it? and does it have a considerable effect on performance? I've been using the same petrol which is pretty decent but i think the injectors need to be cleaned. Can they be cleaned or only replaced? will the guys at the svc do it? should i go to the svc with low fuel or something?

                              Thank you so much on the info.. was really looking for this..

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                              • Originally posted by SpeedyKol View Post
                                Can anybody tell me the price of the Duke's indicators plz?
                                Single Indicator: Rs 560
                                Set of 4 indicators : Rs 1800

                                Got the correct figures from FB Page.
                                Last edited by Janesh.J; 08-07-2012, 02:53 PM. Reason: Corrected the Price of indicators.
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