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**Arvind95** · 11-01-2014, 01:02 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by wallpapers123 View Post

Please do mail your query to [email protected] and provide all the details of the SVC and the issue you are having. They shall respond you within 2-3 days.

Damn it my iPhone sent it again.!!!

Already mailed them. My vehicle is still stuck with them. So I need to do something asap.

**s1d** · 11-01-2014, 03:00 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

Hey Guys,

To update the lagging problem on the duke. First off the old dukes don't have the metal restraint on the opening of the petrol tank. this thing is very important as this prevents fuel from being sprayed directly on to the fuel pump which sits directly underneath it. this is what happened to my bike. since fuel was constantly directly sprayed on to the fuel pump with great force thanks to the laziness of the bunk attendant and also thanks to my lack of foresight, the fuel pump is now ruined and only sprays fuel into the throttle body with half strength which is causing the lagging issue.
Please all KTM owners it is my sincere request to you to F@#$ing educate these bastard pump attendants as and when necessary. And I also caution you not to allow them to bend or torsion the metal restraint on the new dukes petrol tank to get the nozzle further in. A little exercise for their wrist while holding the nozzle and spraying fuel lightly into the tank is not going to hurt the pump attendant's girly hands and wrists.
Take care and exercise caution.
Cheers

Only the RC's have that metal thingy. the new dukes do not. Mine is from 30sept and it doesn't have that metal thingy.
If this was an issue, i believe it would have been mentioned in the manual. I suspect your issue could have a different cause. There were a few 390's that were having their throttle body's replaced under warranty due to some recall by ktm. Who told you that your issue was due to this 'petrol filling'
I am still wondering how can fuel that is being dispensed from the nozzle damage the pump! Maybe if the nozzle is inserted too deep and physically touches the pump, there could be damage.
So far i haven't heard or read of anybody who's had their fuel pump go faulty for the reasons you have mentioned. When I asked the svc about running with low fuel, they said that running constantly on low fuel could eventually damage the pump ..which is true.

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Originally posted by Arvind95 View Post

Already mailed them. My vehicle is still stuck with them. So I need to do something asap.

call up bajaj customer care. and keep sending follow up mails.
and whatever it is always keep it in writing. whether its on the job card or delivery slip.. always mention your comments and keep a copy of the document/bill.

**Balgi** · 11-01-2014, 03:28 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by s1d View Post

Only the RC's have that metal thingy. the new dukes do not. Mine is from 30sept and it doesn't have that metal thingy.
If this was an issue, i believe it would have been mentioned in the manual. I suspect your issue could have a different cause. There were a few 390's that were having their throttle body's replaced under warranty due to some recall by ktm. Who told you that your issue was due to this 'petrol filling'
I am still wondering how can fuel that is being dispensed from the nozzle damage the pump! Maybe if the nozzle is inserted too deep and physically touches the pump, there could be damage.
So far i haven't heard or read of anybody who's had their fuel pump go faulty for the reasons you have mentioned. When I asked the svc about running with low fuel, they said that running constantly on low fuel could eventually damage the pump ..which is true.

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call up bajaj customer care. and keep sending follow up mails.
and whatever it is always keep it in writing. whether its on the job card or delivery slip.. always mention your comments and keep a copy of the document/bill.

The RC's came with it so I figured the dukes have them too now. Maybe not but I am thinking of getting it for mine.

The fuel bunk attendants shove the nozzle too deep into the tank to be able to rest it in the hole and that is how it happens. The nozzle doesn't need to touch the fuel pump. The attendants usually rest the nozzle in the hole and then set the nozzle to full flow with the clamp on the trigger and leave it. This causes the problem with the fuel pump. A few times filling up, I saw that when the tank was a litre or so away from full the fuel nozzle's trigger would suddenly disengage and a little fuel would shoot up (just a few drops). This very thing is a sign that the nozzle is too deep and fuel pressure is too high. This problem actually has been discussed in the RC390 thread, you can check it, its legit.

Anyway, I learnt my lesson. Just hoping others can benefit from my plight. Take care about this bro, even though it hasn't happened to you yet, You don't want it should. Right?

**s1d** · 11-01-2014, 04:19 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

The RC's came with it so I figured the dukes have them too now. Maybe not but I am thinking of getting it for mine.

The fuel bunk attendants shove the nozzle too deep into the tank to be able to rest it in the hole and that is how it happens. The nozzle doesn't need to touch the fuel pump. The attendants usually rest the nozzle in the hole and then set the nozzle to full flow with the clamp on the trigger and leave it. This causes the problem with the fuel pump. A few times filling up, I saw that when the tank was a litre or so away from full the fuel nozzle's trigger would suddenly disengage and a little fuel would shoot up (just a few drops). This very thing is a sign that the nozzle is too deep and fuel pressure is too high. This problem actually has been discussed in the RC390 thread, you can check it, its legit.

Anyway, I learnt my lesson. Just hoping others can benefit from my plight. Take care about this bro, even though it hasn't happened to you yet, You don't want it should. Right?

You are grossly misinformed. Pls read this extract from the RC thread: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1103656

I just got a call from KTM India that it is there for a reason, in the RC the fuel pump is right under this portion and is in close proximity to this filler area. If the nozzle touches the fuel pump it might damage it and the expenses for repair is ruddy expensive. Also, it won't be covered under warranty as KTM has provided a safety grill to keep it safe.

As i mentioned, the nozzle physically touching the pump could cause issues, but just the fuel hitting the pump should not cause any issues.
And that seems to be specific to the RC, is the design of the RC and the Dukes petrol tanks the same ? If it was, then a similar contraption would have been provided on the Dukes too.
The trigger releasing automatically is a safety feature of the petrol pumps. You could read or watch a couple of videos on how a petrol pump/nozzle works. And the pressure with which the fuel is dispensed wouldn't cause a fuel pump to fail.

**Balgi** · 11-01-2014, 12:17 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by s1d View Post

You are grossly misinformed. Pls read this extract from the RC thread: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1103656

I just got a call from KTM India that it is there for a reason, in the RC the fuel pump is right under this portion and is in close proximity to this filler area. If the nozzle touches the fuel pump it might damage it and the expenses for repair is ruddy expensive. Also, it won't be covered under warranty as KTM has provided a safety grill to keep it safe.

As i mentioned, the nozzle physically touching the pump could cause issues, but just the fuel hitting the pump should not cause any issues.
And that seems to be specific to the RC, is the design of the RC and the Dukes petrol tanks the same ? If it was, then a similar contraption would have been provided on the Dukes too.
The trigger releasing automatically is a safety feature of the petrol pumps. You could read or watch a couple of videos on how a petrol pump/nozzle works. And the pressure with which the fuel is dispensed wouldn't cause a fuel pump to fail.

Yes the trigger release is a safety feature to insure that the pressure of fuel doesn't cause fuel to be forced out of the tank when pressure increases.

The safety feature (metal restraint) was added on the RC after much research on the dukes. But if ktm officials have called you and told you that what happened to me cannot happen at all then maybe mine is a one off case. Though I have seen other dukes with this problem. I don't know.

Btw the fuel pump is being replaced for me under warranty so I don't know if what you said is right.

Also my bike is a later model from August so the throttle body issues are actually not supposed to be there for me and as such I have not had any throttle body issues to date. It really is my fuel pump which is failing to build pressure coz once the pressure optimizes the bike runs fine.

Anyway bro what number did you call? Who did you talk to? Could I also get the details? It could prove to be useful. Thanx

**wallpapers123** · 11-01-2014, 12:19 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

Anyway bro what number did you call? Who did you talk to? Could I also get the details? It could prove to be useful. Thanx

+1 on that.

Damn it my iPhone sent it again.!!!

**s1d** · 11-01-2014, 05:13 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

Anyway bro what number did you call? Who did you talk to? Could I also get the details? It could prove to be useful. Thanx

The trigger release is there to prevent overfilling hence overflow. It has nothing to do with pressure inside the tank or the pressure with which fuel comes out.
Oh man, I never said that Ktm called me. Since you had asked me to refer to the RC thread, I had merely posted a snippet (and a link to that post)from the RC thread where the guy mentions this specific thing. There are a lot of other things that could make the fuel pump go bad.
You could always email ktm if you need more info.

**Balgi** · 11-01-2014, 05:32 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by s1d View Post

The trigger release is there to prevent overfilling hence overflow. It has nothing to do with pressure inside the tank or the pressure with which fuel comes out.
Oh man, I never said that Ktm called me. Since you had asked me to refer to the RC thread, I had merely posted a snippet (and a link to that post)from the RC thread where the guy mentions this specific thing. There are a lot of other things that could make the fuel pump go bad.
You could always email ktm if you need more info.

Well I am getting the fuel pump this coming Thursday and it seems to be the cause of the problem. Mainly there is a tiny fibre bag like thing attached to the pump which was a little torn. I'll post a pic if i can but I think its the fuel level indicator, I could be wrong. The mech says its because of the fuel nozzle being wrongly inserted. Just to be safe I asked about getting the metal tank restraint for my duke and the radiator shroud. Let's see on Thursday.
Cheers

**Arvind95** · 11-01-2014, 09:52 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by s1d View Post

Only the RC's have that metal thingy. the new dukes do not. Mine is from 30sept and it doesn't have that metal thingy.
If this was an issue, i believe it would have been mentioned in the manual. I suspect your issue could have a different cause. There were a few 390's that were having their throttle body's replaced under warranty due to some recall by ktm. Who told you that your issue was due to this 'petrol filling'
I am still wondering how can fuel that is being dispensed from the nozzle damage the pump! Maybe if the nozzle is inserted too deep and physically touches the pump, there could be damage.
So far i haven't heard or read of anybody who's had their fuel pump go faulty for the reasons you have mentioned. When I asked the svc about running with low fuel, they said that running constantly on low fuel could eventually damage the pump ..which is true.

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call up bajaj customer care. and keep sending follow up mails.
and whatever it is always keep it in writing. whether its on the job card or delivery slip.. always mention your comments and keep a copy of the document/bill.

Yeah I've started documenting everything. I got my bike back today. I didn't pay anything. They were forced to get it done under warranty. [emoji1]
But the sound still isn't like old times. The beat is back but the volume is low. Like someone said, the sound was almost muted after engine head change.

**Balgi** · 11-01-2014, 09:58 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Arvind95 View Post

Yeah I've started documenting everything. I got my bike back today. I didn't pay anything. They were forced to get it done under warranty. [emoji1]
But the sound still isn't like old times. The beat is back but the volume is low. Like someone said, the sound was almost muted after engine head change.

Maybe your just not getting enough compression from your engine thanks to a bad head gasket replacement job. Is the power lowered compared to before by even the tiniest bit?

**s1d** · 11-01-2014, 10:52 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

I had the suspension raised up two notches this evening and the ride feels much better ! the stock setting was too soft for my liking. [MENTION=72198]Balgi[/MENTION] , do post some pics of the fuel pump..btw which service center are you getting the repairs done at ?

**Arvind95** · 11-01-2014, 11:07 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Balgi View Post

Maybe your just not getting enough compression from your engine thanks to a bad head gasket replacement job. Is the power lowered compared to before by even the tiniest bit?

The power is not affected at all for god's sake. She's still roaring all over the streets. [emoji1]
You know that sound when a Ktm passes by... That's back. Just the volume has decreased. I'm gonna change my SVC and ask them to do something about it.
By the way,Any of you from Chennai?

**Balgi** · 11-02-2014, 12:01 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by s1d View Post

I had the suspension raised up two notches this evening and the ride feels much better ! the stock setting was too soft for my liking. [MENTION=72198]Balgi[/MENTION] , do post some pics of the fuel pump..btw which service center are you getting the repairs done at ?

Sure, will do. I used to go to Vinayak Bajaj at begumpet in Hyderabad but changed to ktm banjara hills because of the manhandling of the bikes at Vinayak Bajaj.

**TheMost** · 11-02-2014, 12:28 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Guys, just yesterday i gave my bike for first service.
The service guy recommend me to use motul 4T engine oil instead of the default and it would cost 1550.
Should i go for it.
Is it necessary ?

**vjay** · 11-02-2014, 12:30 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by TheMost View Post

Guys, just yesterday i gave my bike for first service.
The service guy recommend me to use motul 4T engine oil instead of the default and it would cost 1550.
Should i go for it.
Is it necessary ?

ya.. please go for Motul 7100 synthetic oil...
That Bajaj synthetic oil is very bad...

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