Re: KTM 200 Duke

Oh! I never knew about the warranty part thing. THANKS much for sharing this!! this would be a deciding factor for me.

Cheers on your ride! i think I will have a new one soon and try one of those long trail rides



ah! sounds cool! I think I would rather go for a new one, stretching my budget a bit but I think it will be worth the effort! your feedback certainly helps! thanks again!

KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

Hi guys...just wanted to let you know that I got my bike yesterday.

Can't get the grin off my face!

I want to check a couple of things with you guys:
1. I've been told that the service schedule has been revised and the 2nd service is only going to have to be at 8500 kms! And then only at 7.5k intervals. That's alright correct? KTM and Bajaj not getting complacent or anything... Right?

2. The RPM rev limit indicators have been set to redline at 7500. Which is what they recommend in the Owner's manual as well. Fine. My question is... At 6000 rpm in 6th gear, I'm touching about 60 kmph. Isn't that too fast already?

Couple of days riding and I feel like I'm too old fashioned for this. But the sheer pleasure of riding is too huge a feeling to ignore.

Thank you guys for all your help and advice. I'm sure going to need all of it and more.

Melvin Thomas M.

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

The more less rpm you run with your engine, that much smoothness you will gain later. That rpm limit is fine. Don't run in hurry, enjoy at every moment...
Congrats and all the best, safe riding.

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Dropped my baby duke 4 days back. A kid on a cycle came out of nowhere and braked right in front of me. Roads were wet. Slammed on the brakes and threw her to the left side of the road to avoid a head on at around 50-60 kph. She didn't suffer a lot but I got some bad road rash to the left side of my body like knees elbows and the left hip. Haven't ridden for the last three days hope to ride soon and also looking forward to wear some gear from the next time

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

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Cheers
Akshay

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

i doubt that's correct. you should be doing way more than 60kmph in 6th at 6,000 rpm. i assume the number to be around 90kmph or maybe more.

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

Yeh, the service intervals have been increased from 5000km to 7500km.. hence the first service at 1000, 2nd at 8500 etc..
This though only applies to the new models from Dec2014 or Jan 2015 onwards... the bikes prior to that continue to have the 5000km intervals. This logic is built in to the ecu/speedo and hence when they reset the service interval it will reset itself to whatever it has been programmed for.
As an owner of a Oct 2014 model D200, I've felt that the motul 7100 is the perfect value for money vs performance oil that a Duke can get. It lasts around 5000km and around that point i've felt the bike lose some refinement. Personally i feel the 7500 interval for an oil change is too much for any small capacity motorcycle... the other parts though will be good enough for 7500 km (the air filter, fuel filter, spark plug... which I find as unnecessary replacements at 5000km intervals)

The shift indicator light is only a visual cue to help you maintain the recommended rpm during run in (when it blinks it means shift up, and when it stays lit up it means you are exceeding the recommended limit). It is NOT a 'limit' or a 'redline' in any way. The bike will rev beyond 7500 rpm at all times irrespective of what the shift indicator is set to. And on a D200 at 7500rpm (which the company recommends to stick to during run in) will touch exactly 100kmph in 6th gear.. and nothing is going to happen if you are going to maintain say speeds of 80's in 6th gear.
Doing 60 in 6th gear is close to lugging the engine which is bad.. push it a little further man on your shifts like around 70kmph before you shift to 6th. The duke ain't no baby and loves to be revve'd. As with anything.. too much of anything is bad. So keep up the rev's and vary them (which is more important during a run in)

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no bhai.. our duke 200's touch 100kmph at 7500 rpm and I think 60 @6000 seems normal or maybe i will check it out tomorrow. But that's definitely lugging the poor duke.. he needs to shift up at atleast around 70kmph during run-in from 5th to 6th.

the r15 infact attains 100 at a lower rpm.. 7000rpm i think.

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

I guess it should be ~80@6k rpm. If 100 comes at 7.5k, there's no way d200 does 40 more in 1500 revs. Please check and let us know.

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

cbr 250 does 100 at precise 6200 . for duke 200 high revving nature it should not be much lower. 80 atleast.
and yes as [MENTION=47074]Divya[/MENTION] stated. no way it will do the diffrence 40kmph in 1500 revs.

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

Roger, will check the speed vs rpm early in the morning and confirm. But 100 @ 7.5k is pucca !
The duke though picks up pace rapidly beyond 5000rpm.. it goes from Dr.Jekyll to Mr.Hyde

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Pulsar 200ns did 100@6700rpm

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Gear -- Speed @6000rpm
3rd gear -- 36kmph
4th -- 55kmph
5th -- 65kmph
6th -- 75kmph

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

[MENTION=75352]jbm_guy[/MENTION]: Thank you pal...i'll keep that in mind. I'm doing exactly that...enjoying every moment!!!

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[MENTION=56773]rok[/MENTION]it: Shit happens buddy...just be thankful that it didn't get any worse. All you can really do is be as careful as you can and then hope that you have a lot of luck.
Get well soon and get back on the road where you belong. And get that protective gear as well. You can just never be too careful on our roads.

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[MENTION=6008]akshay[/MENTION]

"They say this because they want to lure customers saying that the service cost is not high." - That sure makes sense and I suppose it's working too.

"Ideally, using Motul engine oil, one should not try to exceed 5k kms interval. After that, the oil starts giving away."
- So if that is the case, then how do I get the oil changed? Can I just walk in to the service centre and ask them to change it before the time that they are specifying? Also I'm guessing Motul isn't the oil that the company provides right? So do you think they may have done something to make the new oil last a little longer? And if I do change the oil before the 7500 that KTM specifies, is that going to void the warranty or anything like that??

"Try to stick to 5-6k for first 500Kms, and then gradually to 7k. Only RPM matters, dont look at the speed and enjoy."
- I'll keep that in mind at all times.

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[MENTION=51754]theironhorse99[/MENTION]: You're right, I must be completely incorrect. I was just being approximate but it looks like the numbers i gave were way off target. Sorry for that, I'll probably have a better look next time and correct myself.

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[MENTION=16602]s1d[/MENTION]- replies follow quotes...[QUOTE=s1d;1166352]Yeh, the service intervals have been increased from 5000km to 7500km.. hence the first service at 1000, 2nd at 8500 etc..This though only applies to the new models from Dec2014 or Jan 2015 onwards... the bikes prior to that continue to have the 5000km intervals. This logic is built in to the ecu/speedo and hence when they reset the service interval it will reset itself to whatever it has been programmed for."

- Thank you for that info.

As an owner of a Oct 2014 model D200, I've felt that the motul 7100 is the perfect value for money vs performance oil that a Duke can get. It lasts around 5000km and around that point i've felt the bike lose some refinement. Personally i feel the 7500 interval for an oil change is too much for any small capacity motorcycle..."

- like i've asked earlier, how do i get the engine oil changed before the scheduled service time for oil change and does it effect the warranty if i do change the oil prematurely?


"the other parts though will be good enough for 7500 km (the air filter, fuel filter, spark plug... which I find as unnecessary replacements at 5000km intervals)"
- that's good news to hear about those components.

The shift indicator light is only a visual cue to help you maintain the recommended rpm during run in (when it blinks it means shift up, and when it stays lit up it means you are exceeding the recommended limit). It is NOT a 'limit' or a 'redline' in any way. The bike will rev beyond 7500 rpm at all times irrespective of what the shift indicator is set to."
- Yes I actually knew that. I was using the wrong word(s). Not redline or limit...it is just an indicator.

"And on a D200 at 7500rpm (which the company recommends to stick to during run in) will touch exactly 100kmph in 6th gear.. and nothing is going to happen if you are going to maintain say speeds of 80's in 6th gear."

- Man...those speeds are way too much for me already. I'm no racer and not very good at being a speed guy either. It's going to take some getting used to.


"Doing 60 in 6th gear is close to lugging the engine which is bad.. push it a little further man on your shifts like around 70kmph before you shift to 6th. The duke ain't no baby and loves to be revve'd."

- Well that is news to me...which means that I can actually ride as comfortable as I can and it'll be fine. What I mean is that I don't really look to go beyond 75-80 in any case, and i'm not even talking just about the run in!!! And the only stretch I would get to take the rpm above 6k is just about a couple or so kilometres of good and relatively empty roads. I just don't have the balls to zip around to fast on our crowded roads. Hopefully the Duke is going to teach me how to do that.

"As with anything.. too much of anything is bad. So keep up the rev's and vary them (which is more important during a run in)"

- I think I can safely say that I'm not going to be over doing it at all.

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That settles it then.. I concur to those numbers.

I'm surely going to take some time getting used to these speeds!!!

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Now for some of my questions:

1) The mileage is showing around 48kmpl...is that just normal for the run in period? Or is it me going at snail's pace? And what does the mileage for the 2015 models look like after the 1000km service is done? What would be a realistic fuel economy figure i can expect?

2)About the rpm indicators being steady at 7500...and so reaching speeds of 70-75kmph before shifting to 6th is fine..right? In that case, is it okay if i just stay in 5th gear a little longer rather than shifting to 6th and going at a lowerish rpm? Lugging...isn't that what you would call it?

3)This is probably going to be a dumb question but I have to ask...why is there no 'centre stand'? Is it something to do with the silencer being right under? I really like looking at my bike parked in the garage and being upright. Not saying that the side look isn't good enough but I was wondering if there was something that i could get to keep the bike..you know...straight. I keep having the fear that it's going to fall over!!!

4) Cleaning the bike...I mean wash and dry...any tips on how it can be done well. My baby hasn't gotten dirty as yet, but that's just cos the rain gods have stayed away. Sooner or later i'm going to have to start washing her up, but it looks so confusing to me at first sight and i guess i don't want to do something wrong. So let me know if there's anything out of the ordinary that i need to keep in mind.

5)Quick servicing at the KTM: Does KTM have like a seperate section that does small jobs that don't require too much time? I was thinking about the engine oil change being too long at 7500kms and if it seems a good idea i could go get it done at about 5000km intervals. Also get a wash done perhaps.

6) Chain lubrication: What should be the ideal interval for getting the chain lubricated? And again, can i just walk in and get it done at a KTM service centre or is it more sensible to just learn how to DIY? And is it not better if the chain is washed and probable fuel cleaned or something before lubrication?


That's it for today I suppose. Until next time....ride safe.

Re: KTM 200 Duke: Got mine...

First coming to your query on engine oil:
The oil life is what I have experienced (and am sure a few other fellow owners would agree as well). KTM service centers officially supply motul engine oils.
They usually stock the 7100 (fully synthetic either in 10w50 or 20w50 grades.. both of which are equally good) -- this is used on the 200's
They also stock the 300v ,more expensive oil that was designed for track bikes..but due to customer demand it is more targeted towards the 390's
Finally.. if its a service center that caters to both the bajaj bikes and ktms under one roof.. then they would also be having their in house brand i.e. bajaj dts-i oil. PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS OIL for the KTM's. It simply isn't cut out for the job and from what i have seen on the pulsar 220's the max it would last is for 2500km.
If they do not have the motul oil, you can buy it outside and take it with you.
If they refuse to entertain your request for motul or refuse to use the oil you bring... simply shoot an email to bajaj customer care / ktm.

Doing an oil change before will not void the warranty. But again it is a tricky situation.. considering that if you replace oil at 5000km the service will be up at 7500km and the oil would have done just 2500km.
If I were you, I would replace the oil at 4000km and then again at the regular service. A little heavier on the pocket, but the bike deserves it !
motul 7100 is available in 1 litre and 1.5 litre bottles, the later is mostly only supplied to ktm. A litre costs Rs820 while the 1.5l costs Rs.1200.. though remember to use only 1.4 litres on the d200.. never over fill.

Next coming to the speeds vs rpm..
I am not asking you to speed up in terms of kmph.. but rather in terms of rpm.
If you are going to do 60kmph in the 6th gear.. that's lugging the engine, which is bad in the long run.
You should rather stay in 5th gear if you are only doing 60kmph. I know the shift light blinks at 5000rpm, but for the shift from 5th to 6th, i would advice you to shift up only at around 6800 rpm

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Re: KTM 200 Duke

Guys i am selling my duke 200 dec 2013 model odo 7000 km, mumbai 02 registration, how much price should expect to sell it.


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