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  • guyz i had a short run on my bike for like 10kms with the new engine oil. its amazing!!! in no time i touched the 100kmph mark(which it had would have taken a longer time with the previous oil). the road ahead was empty and there was a i20 in front of me.while that car was accelerating hard it took me no time to overtake it and then i touched the 100 mark!! i overtook the car at around 80kmph!! this thing is accelerating fast!!!!

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    • Originally posted by chief ashman View Post


      Can anyone shed some light there please?
      The ticking noise when you push the bike and now the false neutral.Everything points to a chain sprocket problem ,so either get it adjusted or if it's worn out replace it.I have never heard anyone mention or personally experienced a false neutral in any fiero till date.
      Get the chain sprocket issue checked, if it still persists ,then it would have to do with the shifting pawl.
      Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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      • Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
        The ticking noise when you push the bike and now the false neutral.Everything points to a chain sprocket problem ,so either get it adjusted or if it's worn out replace it.I have never heard anyone mention or personally experienced a false neutral in any fiero till date.
        Get the chain sprocket issue checked, if it still persists ,then it would have to do with the shifting pawl.

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        Yup! I must have it checked and rectified ASAP. As Tintin has put it, it happens very rarely. Otherwise the gears are smooth and engage without much audiable sound like in some other bikes. Now, does an over tightened chain or an extra loose chain hamper top speeds on a bike? I know it changes the initial pick-up. Does it also play a role in the mileage?

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        • An over tightened chain does affect the pickup to a great extent!! it will feel like someones holding u back. i have never experienced "loosening" of my chain so cant comment on that. but make sure u get the slackness of the chain adjusted as per the standards. Ur authorised mech will get it done for you.

          and always remember to oil your chain atleast twice a month. if you do so, ur chain life will increase and the maintainance(adjusting slackness, sudden tightning or loosening) will reduce to a gr8 extent! Fieros have these types of chain issues!!

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          • Originally posted by tintin708 View Post
            An over tightened chain does affect the pickup to a great extent!! it will feel like someones holding u back. i have never experienced "loosening" of my chain so cant comment on that. but make sure u get the slackness of the chain adjusted as per the standards. Ur authorised mech will get it done for you.

            and always remember to oil your chain atleast twice a month. if you do so, ur chain life will increase and the maintainance(adjusting slackness, sudden tightning or loosening) will reduce to a gr8 extent! Fieros have these types of chain issues!!
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            Well bro... my Fiero stock chain and sprockets lasted me 9+ years... and I don't remember ever going to the mech with chain related issues for tightening or loosening or oiling. The new one is a different story ... guess I should give it more time for adjustments and oiling. Wish I could get my hands on the original set.

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            • Originally posted by chief ashman View Post
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              Well bro... my Fiero stock chain and sprockets lasted me 9+ years... and I don't remember ever going to the mech with chain related issues for tightening or loosening or oiling. The new one is a different story ... guess I should give it more time for adjustments and oiling. Wish I could get my hands on the original set.
              Just read back old posts,on seeing the pic i had reminded you that your chain sprocket kit is not that of a fiero as the rear sprocket seems to have an extra tooth.It obviously seems like it's not OE ,then such issues are bound to happen.
              Get the chain and clutch adjusted and see if false neutrals disappear or not.My bike has a link type cbz gear lever and this set up is supposed to be not as smooth as the original one.On top of it all the bike's life it's been half clutch ,yet i have never experienced false neutrals,mind you, the gear shifting is no where near as smooth as that of the stock set up.
              An over tightened chain will rob the engine of power and cause problems with the gear box,it's a worse situation than a loose chain.A loosened chain will make gear shifting notchy and hard.
              Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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              • +1 to that. I have not experienced false neutrals ever too, but there is something that I have faced many a time-I'll describe the situation in detail:
                I'm in 2nd gear, going over a pothole/speedbreaker&I do not go slowly-I just jump it over. I find that sometimes the bike is in 1st gear after it has jumped. Now what could be the reason for this? This doesn't happen always, just one odd case. Don't tell me that my foot is on the gear lever-it is not.

                Also, thanks for posting about the whining sound-I have it in my bike too&need to get my cam chain adjusted too.

                Btw, what is the reason for jerking in lower gears in heavy traffic? It happens mostly in 2nd gear when the engine is hot. The clutch plates are fairly new&clutch cable, sprocket rubber all are brand new.
                Last edited by Sarvajit; 11-25-2010, 03:11 PM.
                Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                • Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                  +1 to that. I have not experienced false neutrals ever too, but there is something that I have faced many a time-I'll describe the situation in detail:
                  I'm in 2nd gear, going over a pothole/speedbreaker&I do not go slowly-I just jump it over. I find that sometimes the bike is in 1st gear after it has jumped. Now what could be the reason for this? This doesn't happen always, just one odd case. Don't tell me that my foot is on the gear lever-it is not.

                  Also, thanks for posting about the whining sound-I have it in my bike too&need to get my cam chain adjusted too.

                  Btw, what is the reason for jerking in lower gears in heavy traffic? It happens mostly in 2nd gear when the engine is hot. The clutch plates are fairly new&clutch cable, sprocket rubber all are brand new.
                  The involuntary gear changes happen because of the heal shifter .Even light touch of the heal causes down shifting. it used to happen with me too when i used to stand on the foot pegs when riding over potholes.
                  The jerking is not an issue ,it simply means revs have dropped.Fiero has a close ratio gearbox and the power band is higher up,meaning the bhp and torque curves are close by .So you can't ride the bike without changing gears,like you can with the other bikes present in market.It's the same with RTR and r15 ,they like fiero need to be in the powerband by being in right gears.
                  Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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                  • Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                    The involuntary gear changes happen because of the heel shifter .Even light touch of the heal causes down shifting. it used to happen with me too when i used to stand on the foot pegs when riding over potholes.
                    The jerking is not an issue ,it simply means revs have dropped.Fiero has a close ratio gearbox and the power band is higher up,meaning the bhp and torque curves are close by .So you can't ride the bike without changing gears,like you can with the other bikes present in market.It's the same with RTR and R15 ,they like fiero need to be in the powerband by being in right gears.
                    Ok, got that about the heel shifter-it happens more when I'm wearing my Woodlands.
                    I understand the same jerk comes in my R15 too in 2nd gear at lower speeds. I thought maybe its something to do with my riding style!
                    Fine, I'll take it easy. Hope I can get the overall service done this weekend. Have made a checklist too. Will keep you updated!
                    Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                    • Originally posted by chief ashman View Post
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                      NANO bro, it's good to hear from you.

                      Glad to hear your bike is doing great!!!. So you got all the power you needed and feel it is better than RTR 160. 40 - 41 kmpl is great mileage too, and you have already covered 2300 kms. Why do you feel you need to change the suspension setup? Fiero suspension not up to the mark with that extra boost of power?
                      no buddy
                      suspension has nothing to do with the added power, its coming to a time of replacement as it has got older, and these things should be generally changed after 50k

                      its not just better, but miles ahead the rtr 160, the thing is, my bike gives out LOT MORE at 7.5k than apache gives at 8.5~9k rpm.


                      Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                      I have never heard anyone mention or personally experienced a false neutral in any fiero till date.
                      even I've faced false neutral quite some times, again very very rarely, in my case it happens when i hit the kill switch in a gear (signal mostly) and put up a neutral, but after engaging a gear if i kick, sometimes the gear remains below 1 and above neutral..

                      besides i tried to find that piece of article which i read ages back when f2 was launched, it was either overdrive or Business standard motoring or auto motor and sport, i don't know for sure, but i clearly remember that it said fiero has ONLY 1 ISSUE and that is the gearbox, agreed that its not like you find in pulsys, but this issue was considered default in this bike's case, i tried to find that article as i know no one would believe me but i couldn't find, trust me I've read it...

                      Originally posted by chief ashman View Post
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                      Now, does an over tightened chain or an extra loose chain hamper top speeds on a bike? I know it changes the initial pick-up. Does it also play a role in the mileage?

                      over-tightening and under-tightening the chain does effect the bike, as gixxer clearly mentioned the ill effects, there are boons too.

                      over tightening helps in understeer, while under tightening results in oversteer, basically when you lean your bike, the rear wheel remains more free if your chain is very loose, hence it naturally tends to travel more distance than the front wheel, so it helps to oversteer, which means in the curve your bike will keep decreasing its speed and your turning radius will naturally keep decreasing too..

                      but over tightening it makes it very refined, very responsive, when you lean at a curve, your bike does not decrease the speed naturally and does not decrease the turning radius until and unless you slow down...

                      this is chain tightening is related to..

                      give it a try, it really works...



                      coming to my bike
                      i do have a minor knocking issue though, the thing is that i am very very smooth with the throttle from the beginning, so i never faced this issue, not only in my bike but in most other bikes too, lately when 3 of us, rakesh, vishal and me met, rakesh and vishal pointed this out, is that you need to be very smooth with the throttle otherwise the bike knocks, and i believe that it has started happening lately, earlier it didn't even show a sign of knocking..

                      when anyone else rides my bike, he/she complains about knocking, when i am rough with the throttle i feel it too, but i avoid it..

                      coming out of a pre-ignition state and major setback state, this minor issue was never taken into consideration, or maybe it never really happened before and started happening lately, i have no idea...
                      Giving a lot to a fiero.
                      Expecting a lot from a fiero.

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                      • @Nanotech

                        I have the issues of overdrive and BSM with me, and i always keep the ones about fiero with me though my mom prefers to throw them out.The issue they say about the gear box is the lack of fifth gear and nothing to do with the gear box quality.

                        The knocking is a indication that your bike is running lean.I've told you many times and so has psr ,get the a/f richened.Your bike is running higher compression than stock RTR's so get the A/F right first .There shouldn't be any knocking.If possible go to TVS dealer and get the carb tuned by a co machine ,they charge 65 bucks for it and you can never get that kind of tuning done on your own or at mechs,unless of course you are a tuner.The authorized dealers never tune the bikes using co machines on general service ,you have to ask them.
                        Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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                        • Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                          no buddy
                          suspension has nothing to do with the added power, its coming to a time of replacement as it has got older, and these things should be generally changed after 50k

                          its not just better, but miles ahead the rtr 160, the thing is, my bike gives out LOT MORE at 7.5k than apache gives at 8.5~9k rpm.




                          even I've faced false neutral quite some times, again very very rarely, in my case it happens when i hit the kill switch in a gear (signal mostly) and put up a neutral, but after engaging a gear if i kick, sometimes the gear remains below 1 and above neutral..

                          besides i tried to find that piece of article which i read ages back when f2 was launched, it was either overdrive or Business standard motoring or auto motor and sport, i don't know for sure, but i clearly remember that it said fiero has ONLY 1 ISSUE and that is the gearbox, agreed that its not like you find in pulsys, but this issue was considered default in this bike's case, i tried to find that article as i know no one would believe me but i couldn't find, trust me I've read it...




                          over-tightening and under-tightening the chain does effect the bike, as gixxer clearly mentioned the ill effects, there are boons too.

                          over tightening helps in understeer, while under tightening results in oversteer, basically when you lean your bike, the rear wheel remains more free if your chain is very loose, hence it naturally tends to travel more distance than the front wheel, so it helps to oversteer, which means in the curve your bike will keep decreasing its speed and your turning radius will naturally keep decreasing too..

                          but over tightening it makes it very refined, very responsive, when you lean at a curve, your bike does not decrease the speed naturally and does not decrease the turning radius until and unless you slow down...

                          this is chain tightening is related to..

                          give it a try, it really works...



                          coming to my bike
                          i do have a minor knocking issue though, the thing is that i am very very smooth with the throttle from the beginning, so i never faced this issue, not only in my bike but in most other bikes too, lately when 3 of us, rakesh, vishal and me met, rakesh and vishal pointed this out, is that you need to be very smooth with the throttle otherwise the bike knocks, and i believe that it has started happening lately, earlier it didn't even show a sign of knocking..

                          when anyone else rides my bike, he/she complains about knocking, when i am rough with the throttle i feel it too, but i avoid it..

                          coming out of a pre-ignition state and major setback state, this minor issue was never taken into consideration, or maybe it never really happened before and started happening lately, i have no idea...
                          have u thought of giving the bs29 carb a shot?As far as the knocking is concerned,the block and piston can take a toll on the long run,better get the carb tuned asap.Regarding the test drive that we three had done,knocking came into picture when the throttle was wrung suddenly.The power delivery was smooth and linear but somehow i felt the clutch was not able to transmit the power effectively(maybe clutch slippage).
                          Last edited by velociraptor13; 11-25-2010, 06:43 PM.
                          Socha Toh Locha.

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                          • Originally posted by velociraptor13 View Post
                            have u thought of giving the bs29 carb a shot?As far as the knocking is concerned,the block and piston can take a toll on the long run,better get the carb tuned asap.Regarding the test drive that we three had done,knocking came into picture when the throttle was wrung suddenly.The power delivery was smooth and linear but somehow i felt the clutch was not able to transmit the power effectively(maybe clutch slippage).
                            This happens even on my bike when I whack the throttle, but if I gradually accelerate it doesn't happen, dunno what the issue is.

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                            • Originally posted by bprags View Post
                              This happens even on my bike when I whack the throttle, but if I gradually accelerate it doesn't happen, dunno what the issue is.
                              Both you and Nanotech already are on bs29 ,get the carb tuned on a co machine it costs 65 bucks and its damn worth it!!!! Mr Murthy himself told me that its not possible to tune carb without a co machine,unless you are an expert that is.
                              Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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                              • Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                                Both you and Nanotech already are on bs29 ,get the carb tuned on a co machine it costs 65 bucks and its damn worth it!!!! Mr Murthy himself told me that its not possible to tune carb without a co machine,unless you are an expert that is.
                                whoa,thats something that i have missed,what jets are you guys running on?
                                Socha Toh Locha.

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