Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Duly noted

P.S. I do not mean to disgrace it, it is good, which goes without saying, well lets hope which ever ride I finally decide to take turns up well and without any major problems.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Yes it is a dream to ride! I will test ride an AS200 soon to see how it feels and get the rest of the info.

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Hahaha I have quite the same view about the Karizma, engine kill switch would have been a good option to have but I'm okay not having it anyway, but i will do a test ride of the AS200 and know about its review in my vicinity before locking on to anything.

P.S I would like to test ride the Apache 200 too before making my final decision

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

A thinner oil means better/quicker revving and a little higher average, as I stated earlier.
That's what people want and therefore that's what company gives!
The original ZMA Premium Sports (2003) was even better than ZMR v2 in acceleration, but had a poor fuel economy. People desired mileage even from a 223 cc bike. 30 kmpl wasn't cutting it for them. However 20 kmpl from d390 seems to work nowadays.

Anyways, to counter this, Hero retarded the timing of the bike. This ensured that the bike wasn't that low on mileage anymore since there was that little extra milli second for the fuel to burn completely in the power stroke. Mileage did increase to 33-35 types in the 2007 ZMA-R, but that revving nature was gone. The bike wasn't that fast anymore. How to give that pseudo effect in the cheapest way? Reduce the oil grade from w40 to w30!

With the addition of FI, mileage improved even further.
But ride a well maintained pre 2007 ZMA and you'll be blown away!
I would suggest you put w40 oil atleast in summer. It will provide better protection in heavy traffic.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

I was one of the owners of 2003 Karizma.. Mind blowing acceleration.. Made all new Karizmas eat dust

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Those days karizmas were literally legends! I see many of those still plying in Kolkata, why did you get rid of it?

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

It is a long story.. I had a P180 2006 and a Karizma 2003.. in the year 2009, I completed my graduation and my dad got a transfer order to Delhi the same year and due to recession, I didn't get any job offer so had to move to Delhi along with my parents.. my dad told me he is selling off one bike and I can bring the other bike to Delhi with me.. I immediately told him to sell off the P180.. he agreed and without my knowledge, he sold both the bikes and after selling them only he informed me.. I was quite angry but he is the boss, isn't he?

He promised to get me a new bike.. and on moving to Delhi, he said no bikes and he got me a car.. I somehow managed to save money and my dad finally after a Home War 1, he agreed to give me some extra bucks to get a new bike.. I was considering the TVS Apache 180.. My dad didn't like the way the sales guy responded so we moved to Hero Showroom and he was thinking of getting me an Xtreme or Hunk as he didn't have to spend extra penny apart from my savings.. I managed to brainwash him and book a black Karizma R on 20st Feb 2010 which cost 77K back in 2010 he had to shed out 7K extra to get it for me

But then, on the 22nd of Feb 2010, I went to the showroom to select my Black Karizma R (they had 3 standing).. I saw 2 beautiful ZMRs standing in the showroom which attracted me to the core.. I immediately sent a message to my dad asking him to Check on the ZMR standing in the showroom..

Luckily, before I took delivery of Karizma R which I selected, I noticed there was too much of knocking sound from the Engine. I asked them to give me a different piece and I was to take delivery on the 22nd, but due to this I decided to take it on the 23rd.. eagerly waiting to get my hands on the Karizma R, the next day when I went to take delivery, they gave me the keys to my bike and to my surprise they handed the key of the ZMR and they said Advance Bday wishes in advance. My Bday is on the 6th of March

I called my dad and he said he changed his mind and spent another 25K and got the ZMR for me He quite liked the bike too after seeing it in flesh <3 and thats how my Love story with my Black Pearl began.. from Feb 2010 till date <3

I did pay him the 25K back

That Is one long story! But a good one at that.
And the best part about it was the early birthday gift!

I suddenly had this idea in mind and I am going to ask it from a completely lay man's point of view, which is, is the Pulsar 220F's exhaust fittable on the new ZMR? If so what will be the procedures, effects?

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Wooa! Lot have been discussed. Interesting though. Now let me tell you, I am not discouraging you from ZMR... Hell ya it's still my favourite bike not because I own it but because it's damn good and also there is no other bike which suits my requirements within my budget. (Next time I could own a CBR )

Like you, a lot of the bikes look puny with me on it. ZMR is the biggest and longest bike in my price bracket. Plus yes, owning karizma was a dream.

I have few friends having both zmr and zma. None has any problem whatsoever. And trust me (you have to when a guy with problematic bike says this) the whole problem is with ASCs. The engine was opened 4 times. Out of which 3 times was ASC's mistake. I can point specifically the mistakes they did but that's a long story. This time around I feel the bike is alright <touchwood>.

And yes ZMR is old bike but hey if u talk about p220, isn't it old too? I was specifically talking about the AS and RS.

Whatever it is, whichever bike you choose be prepared to curb all the inhibitions of dealing with ASCs. Trust me their small mistakes can screw your bike big time.

In Batman's style: The Helmet is not for you; It's to protect the people you care about.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Thanks for the appreciation dada!
Don't use FS oils. On our bikes, we're bound to see oil leakages.
Engines that come with FS oils from factory are set to super tight clearances. On our bikes, clearances are more. So, oil seeps through. Also, FS oil tends to eat the rubber O rings and seeps through.
I suggest you use mineral or semi Synth oils.
Shell has AX5 for mineral and AX7 for semi synth. Drain in under 2500 km.
Easy on pocket too.

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Nope. You can't fit it!
1st, the pipe diameter is different (exhaust that comes out of the engine). Every mm counts. P220F has a thicker pipe by 4mm AFAIK.
2nd, the end can is designed for scavenging more air as per P220F's exhaust stroke, it won't work effectively on a Karizma.
But this is the advanced stage, since point 1 is NOT satisfied, point 2 can't be fit without some jugaad.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

I completely comprehend, and I did read your multiple brushes with bad luck, well I hope this time you have hit the luck-pot(for the lack of a better word) and yes the P220 is pretty old, atleast older than the new ZMR, well I really want to buy the ZMR, but I will wait for some months to pass and see what development occurs,

being huge(Me) has its downsides seriously! :P

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Aw shucks, I really liked the look of the P220F's exhaust :P
thanks for the info though.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

To anyone who might have a clue to this, I have an acquaintance who has a karizma zmr and I heard this for the first time but his bike tends to give a jumpy jerky ride for the first 500 metres before smoothing out, like the throttle response suddenly cuts off and comes back on(the throttle is left at the same position when it happens). This happens to him on cold starts and a ASC guy told him that the fuel injection takes a little time to circulate the fuel (I was amazed to hear this statement).
What I guess is that he is not using the correct oil which might be making his bike jerk in the beginning.

Awaiting expertise on this matter.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Ask him to follow the warm up routine religiously while starting the bike each time. Whenever the bike is started after a long gap, such as in the morning, it should be idled for 30 to 45 seconds before moving and the first few kilometers must be ridden like run in period.
This ensures that engine oil reaches all nooks and crannies and provides sufficient lubrication after being parked for a long time and the engine reaches it's optimal operating temperature.
Also, ask him to get his throttle body cleaned.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Roger that, can you tell me how the throttle body helps in this case, I mean this is not persistent but only occurs in the first few minutes, I haven't a clue.

Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

Guys i heard hero is launching the old model of karizma R again in 2016 is it a rumor?? Coz if yes?? I need to book Grey colour 😇