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    @sanjaysangar1990 @xplod566

    Yes, for 200NS, the max torque is at 8000 RPM (if you want to extract them all). Rev limit is at 10.5 K RPM, but peak power comes at ~9500 RPM, post that one can't really observe the thrust. If you take a look at 200NS dyno results, you will witness that a good amount of 16-17nm of torque gets generated from engine from 5000 RPM onwards, In case of P220, it extracts ~18nm of torque for the same said 5000 RPM and above(up to 7000 RPM), so basically this will be a bit helpful when a pillion sits. But the P220 is already heavier by 10Kgs close, so with ~<1Nm of torque bonus, there will only be very minimal diff, which is hardly felt here.

    But the actual problem is 220 doesn't like to rev harder, it looses it's breath beyond 7000 RPM, where as 200NS with health goes upto 9500 RPM and maxes at 10.5 K RPM (rev limit). So the reason it is quicker still having 20cc less is because the power from the generated torque is used efficiently. Usually torque generated from engine is just about how effectively you convert to working horses. 200NS and above model does it excellently (by stealing from KTM technology ) and hence 0-100 and above is damn quicker. And of course you have weight and power ratio. Official numbers for 0-100 (FYI)

    200NS - 9.8 sec
    D200- 9.2 sec
    CBR250 - 8.6 sec

    CBR250 is quicker and faster besides being 30+ Kgs heavier is because it too generates Max torque very quickly at around 7K RPM and peak power at about 8.5K RPM. Also CBR250 has a healthy torque of 4-5 NM more than Duke or 200NS. So pillion riding will not be painful as in our bikes.

    D200, besides having torque or power generated lately, Max torque@8000 rpm and power@10000 rpm, still stands ahead is because of it's short gearing.

    Now, if you only add more weight, it adds more time to this score.

    So now the answer here is, if you shift at it's max torque point, you can actually extract the right amount of juice. There is no point in redlining(Rev max), as this is only the upper limit for the engine safety, not for rider.
    Last edited by jbm_guy; 10-16-2015, 01:19 PM.

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    • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

      Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post
      @sanjaysangar1990 @xplod566

      Yes, for 200NS, the max torque is at 8000 RPM (if you want to extract them all). Rev limit is at 10.5 K RPM, but peak power comes at ~9500 RPM, post that one can't really observe the thrust. If you take a look at 200NS dyno results, you will witness that a good amount of 16-17nm of torque gets generated from engine from 5000 RPM onwards, In case of P220, it extracts ~18nm of torque for the same said 5000 RPM and above(up to 7000 RPM), so basically this will be a bit helpful when a pillion sits. But the P220 is already heavier by 10Kgs close, so with ~<1Nm of torque bonus, there will only be very minimal diff, which is hardly felt here.

      But the actual problem is 220 doesn't like to rev harder, it looses it's breath beyond 7000 RPM, where as 200NS with health goes upto 9500 RPM and maxes at 10.5 K RPM (rev limit). So the reason it is quicker still having 20cc less is because the power from the generated torque is used efficiently. Usually torque generated from engine is just about how effectively you convert to working horses. 200NS and above model does it excellently (by stealing from KTM technology ) and hence 0-100 and above is damn quicker. And of course you have weight and power ratio. Official numbers for 0-100 (FYI)

      200NS - 9.8 sec
      D200- 9.2 sec
      CBR250 - 8.6 sec

      CBR250 is quicker and faster besides being 30+ Kgs heavier is because it too generates Max torque very quickly at around 7K RPM and peak power at about 8.5K RPM. Also CBR250 has a healthy torque of 4-5 NM more than Duke or 200NS. So pillion riding will not be painful as in our bikes.

      D200, besides having torque or power generated lately, Max torque@8000 rpm and power@10000 rpm, still stands ahead is because of it's short gearing.

      Now, if you only add more weight, it adds more time to this score.

      So now the answer here is, if you shift at it's max torque point, you can actually extract the right amount of juice. There is no point in redlining(Rev max), as this is only the upper limit for the engine safety, not for rider.
      awesome info dude B-)

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      • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

        Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post
        @sanjaysangar1990 @xplod566

        Yes, for 200NS, the max torque is at 8000 RPM (if you want to extract them all). Rev limit is at 10.5 K RPM, but peak power comes at ~9500 RPM, post that one can't really observe the thrust. If you take a look at 200NS dyno results, you will witness that a good amount of 16-17nm of torque gets generated from engine from 5000 RPM onwards, In case of P220, it extracts ~18nm of torque for the same said 5000 RPM and above(up to 7000 RPM), so basically this will be a bit helpful when a pillion sits. But the P220 is already heavier by 10Kgs close, so with ~<1Nm of torque bonus, there will only be very minimal diff, which is hardly felt here.

        But the actual problem is 220 doesn't like to rev harder, it looses it's breath beyond 7000 RPM, where as 200NS with health goes upto 9500 RPM and maxes at 10.5 K RPM (rev limit). So the reason it is quicker still having 20cc less is because the power from the generated torque is used efficiently. Usually torque generated from engine is just about how effectively you convert to working horses. 200NS and above model does it excellently (by stealing from KTM technology ) and hence 0-100 and above is damn quicker. And of course you have weight and power ratio. Official numbers for 0-100 (FYI)

        200NS - 9.8 sec
        D200- 9.2 sec
        CBR250 - 8.6 sec

        CBR250 is quicker and faster besides being 30+ Kgs heavier is because it too generates Max torque very quickly at around 7K RPM and peak power at about 8.5K RPM. Also CBR250 has a healthy torque of 4-5 NM more than Duke or 200NS. So pillion riding will not be painful as in our bikes.

        D200, besides having torque or power generated lately, Max torque@8000 rpm and power@10000 rpm, still stands ahead is because of it's short gearing.

        Now, if you only add more weight, it adds more time to this score.

        So now the answer here is, if you shift at it's max torque point, you can actually extract the right amount of juice. There is no point in redlining(Rev max), as this is only the upper limit for the engine safety, not for rider.
        I think this Guy is a Pulsar's Encyclopedia. 😜
        Whatever problem you ask him he is ready with the solution. #respect.

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        • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

          Are 0-60 and 0-100 kmph sprints the same for both NS and AS??? I ask bcoz AS is abt 8kgs heavier.. any one tired to record there speeds n time??

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          • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

            Originally posted by Tejas Jha View Post
            Are 0-60 and 0-100 kmph sprints the same for both NS and AS??? I ask bcoz AS is abt 8kgs heavier.. any one tired to record there speeds n time??
            NS is faster.
            It's a lot like nuts and bolts - if the rider's nuts, the ride - bolts!

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            • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

              Originally posted by Tejas Jha View Post
              Are 0-60 and 0-100 kmph sprints the same for both NS and AS??? I ask bcoz AS is abt 8kgs heavier.. any one tired to record there speeds n time??
              AS is exactly 1 sec slower.it reaches 100 in 10.51 sec

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              • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                hey guys, actually m new to xbhp and dont know how to add a new comment, so pardon me..
                m having a problem, my as 200 rpm is not stable.. it fluctuats.. is there any problem? engine is quite harsh.. and it feels slow at lower rpms. plz help me.. thanx in advance.

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                • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                  Originally posted by Sankha S.r.n View Post
                  hey guys, actually m new to xbhp and dont know how to add a new comment, so pardon me..
                  m having a problem, my as 200 rpm is not stable.. it fluctuats.. is there any problem? engine is quite harsh.. and it feels slow at lower rpms. plz help me.. thanx in advance.
                  How many kms old is the bike.and what is the rpm when engine is hot.I mean after driving for 20-30 min

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                  • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                    Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post
                    @sanjaysangar1990 @xplod566

                    Yes, for 200NS, the max torque is at 8000 RPM (if you want to extract them all). Rev limit is at 10.5 K RPM, but peak power comes at ~9500 RPM, post that one can't really observe the thrust. If you take a look at 200NS dyno results, you will witness that a good amount of 16-17nm of torque gets generated from engine from 5000 RPM onwards, In case of P220, it extracts ~18nm of torque for the same said 5000 RPM and above(up to 7000 RPM), so basically this will be a bit helpful when a pillion sits. But the P220 is already heavier by 10Kgs close, so with ~<1Nm of torque bonus, there will only be very minimal diff, which is hardly felt here.

                    But the actual problem is 220 doesn't like to rev harder, it looses it's breath beyond 7000 RPM, where as 200NS with health goes upto 9500 RPM and maxes at 10.5 K RPM (rev limit). So the reason it is quicker still having 20cc less is because the power from the generated torque is used efficiently. Usually torque generated from engine is just about how effectively you convert to working horses. 200NS and above model does it excellently (by stealing from KTM technology ) and hence 0-100 and above is damn quicker. And of course you have weight and power ratio. Official numbers for 0-100 (FYI)

                    200NS - 9.8 sec
                    D200- 9.2 sec
                    CBR250 - 8.6 sec

                    CBR250 is quicker and faster besides being 30+ Kgs heavier is because it too generates Max torque very quickly at around 7K RPM and peak power at about 8.5K RPM. Also CBR250 has a healthy torque of 4-5 NM more than Duke or 200NS. So pillion riding will not be painful as in our bikes.

                    D200, besides having torque or power generated lately, Max torque@8000 rpm and power@10000 rpm, still stands ahead is because of it's short gearing.

                    Now, if you only add more weight, it adds more time to this score.

                    So now the answer here is, if you shift at it's max torque point, you can actually extract the right amount of juice. There is no point in redlining(Rev max), as this is only the upper limit for the engine safety, not for rider.

                    - According to the Bajaj website, the P220 is actually 1kg lighter than the 200NS (150kg vs 151kg), not 10kg heavier.

                    - I agree that redlining the engine (10,500 rpm for the NS/AS) is pointless. But there is no way you'll achieve those acceleration figures is you shift up at the max torque point (8,000 rpm). They can only be attained by upshifting at the max power point - which, in the 200NS/AS200's case, is at 9,500 rpm.

                    Low- and mid-range torque is useful while (1) setting off from rest, (2) riding uphill, (3) riding with pillion or (4) using max 70-80% of your bike's pace. But if you want to explore the full accelerative capability of your bike, you have to use all of the power available as well (not just torque).

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                    • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                      Originally posted by deebee View Post
                      - According to the Bajaj website, the P220 is actually 1kg lighter than the 200NS (150kg vs 151kg), not 10kg heavier.

                      - I agree that redlining the engine (10,500 rpm for the NS/AS) is pointless. But there is no way you'll achieve those acceleration figures is you shift up at the max torque point (8,000 rpm). They can only be attained by upshifting at the max power point - which, in the 200NS/AS200's case, is at 9,500 rpm.

                      Low- and mid-range torque is useful while (1) setting off from rest, (2) riding uphill, (3) riding with pillion or (4) using max 70-80% of your bike's pace. But if you want to explore the full accelerative capability of your bike, you have to use all of the power available as well (not just torque).
                      So what you are saying is how to attain the top speed right ?

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                      • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                        Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
                        How many kms old is the bike.and what is the rpm when engine is hot.I mean after driving for 20-30 min
                        i coverd 465km, and rpm goes around 2.5k.. i feel lag in acceleration...

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                        • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                          Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
                          How many kms old is the bike.and what is the rpm when engine is hot.I mean after driving for 20-30 min
                          i covered 465 km and its about 2k to 2.5k when the engine is hot.

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                          • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                            Originally posted by Sankha S.r.n View Post
                            i covered 465 km and its about 2k to 2.5k when the engine is hot.
                            Ok.so when the engine is hot reduce the idle to 1.6 .and regarding the pickup it will increase post 2000 kms

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                            • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                              Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
                              Ok.so when the engine is hot reduce the idle to 1.6 .and regarding the pickup it will increase post 2000 kms
                              how to do that??

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                              • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                                Originally posted by deebee View Post
                                - According to the Bajaj website, the P220 is actually 1kg lighter than the 200NS (150kg vs 151kg), not 10kg heavier.

                                - I agree that redlining the engine (10,500 rpm for the NS/AS) is pointless. But there is no way you'll achieve those acceleration figures is you shift up at the max torque point (8,000 rpm). They can only be attained by upshifting at the max power point - which, in the 200NS/AS200's case, is at 9,500 rpm.

                                Low- and mid-range torque is useful while (1) setting off from rest, (2) riding uphill, (3) riding with pillion or (4) using max 70-80% of your bike's pace. But if you want to explore the full accelerative capability of your bike, you have to use all of the power available as well (not just torque).
                                No, not exactly. First of all I hope you are aware of the weight issue. As per Bajaj, user manual and as per media, 200NS weighs 145 kg only. When RS was launched, it was heavily criticized that it roughly weighs 20 Kgs more than NS (almost equaling CBR250) and mentioned about it's lag compared with 200NS, but Bajaj addressed "AS weighs only 2 Kgs more than NS and RS weighs only 12 Kgs more considering non-ABS model, fairing, etc. ABS model weighs 165kg). Now the question is, what the hell?? , YOU ARE TELLING ME MY NS PUT UP SOME WEIGHT?. This Bajaj replied that it has made some improvements on last recent batches of 200NS, but actually media says it's a Bajaj's usual numbering tricks to make RS don't look too bulky or heavy...!!!

                                Suck Bajaj...!!! What a stupid move?....!!!. You are telling me a fairing + ABS + projector takes 20 KG?. Well, anyway I don't own any of them, so no worries.

                                Now, coming to your torque point, I just mentioned for a power ride, not for a drag. Your fact is right for acceleration. If you want to extract the fastest lap times, then consider this technique.

                                Always shift above the max torque, say if max torque is 8000 rpm, then try shifting 500 rpms (8500 rpm) above max torque so then in your next gear you will continue at 500 rpm less max torque (7500 rpm) so that your acceleration won't have irregularities and will continue to have a punch.
                                And this 500 rpm(for eg) i mentioned will be your (Max power - Max torque) value.

                                But until we have a track, this can't be practiced or tested. Hope to hit to track sometime.

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                                Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
                                So what you are saying is how to attain the top speed right ?
                                Yes. Key basic thing for top speed is momentum. Drive at 60 kph in 6th gear. Try full throttle on open road and your chances of crossing 115 kph is very less. Now you can only dream about top end. So to get there, you need more momentum. To gain, you need to not lose when you shift your gears. As i said, if you follow up, then the momentum will not drop in between and that will help get you past 130+ (considering ducking). For full fairing bikes, it will be little easier. But anything against wind is not comfortable for any bike. End of the day, we can't win or defy against nature. Just obey her and enjoy the ride

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