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**animeher** · 06-09-2009, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by outworldly maniac View Post

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Maniac bhai.... sorry for my harsh words. Really. Especially after your help with the electricals initially, the sudden unexpected answer 'go and find answers your own' was like a slap, and so my response was also knee jerk! So let's forgive each other

I got to learn one more offer from Suzuki. You get 30,000 loan, with service charges 3100 (initially 5100, but 2000 paid by Suzuki). It is for 18 months, with 1667rs emi, so technically the loan is at 0% interest rate! If you add the 3100 charges to the loan amount, the effective interest rate is around 6-7%, which is damn cheap. Thought this may be helpful to those looking for loan.

**ssivakumar.r** · 06-09-2009, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Shadowfax View Post

I was riding on upward slope with heavy pillion and I felt engine stressed, noisy and vibes were coming. Im sure it was my lack of skill...

One query-
how we shd ride on ascending road with heavy pillion (abt 90 kg) ?
what speed at what rpm is recommended in order to keep down rpm below 5k ?

In short, guide to climb ghat areas with heavy pilion in break-in period is required.

dude... Sry riding on inclined roads and riding with pilion is not recommended in break in (both are heavy loads to engine)

in inclined roads use fourth gear and maintain speed nearly 40kmph... u have better pull. dont stress your engine

just control for two months... then you can pull a 100kg pilion on a slope in 6th gear (speed >50kmph @4000rpm) without vibrations.

sorry for disappointing... anyway its the fact

**Shadowfax** · 06-09-2009, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by ssivakumar.r View Post

dude... Sry riding on inclined roads and riding with pilion is not recommended in break in (both are heavy loads to engine)

in inclined roads use fourth gear and maintain speed nearly 40kmph... u have better pull. dont stress your engine

just control for two months... then you can pull a 100kg pilion on a slope in 6th gear (speed >50kmph @4000rpm) without vibrations.

sorry for disappointing... anyway its the fact

Hey thanx man.. nothing is disappointing.. U gave the right answer. but still if needed I will follow fourth gear and maintain speed nearly 40kmph... will be fine right ? or say even less speed than this ?

**animeher** · 06-09-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Shadowfax View Post

I was riding on upward slope with heavy pillion and I felt engine stressed, noisy and vibes were coming. Im sure it was my lack of skill...

One query-
how we shd ride on ascending road with heavy pillion (abt 90 kg) ?
what speed at what rpm is recommended in order to keep down rpm below 5k ?

In short, guide to climb ghat areas with heavy pilion in break-in period is required.

I was used to ride ghats alone, so it was very easy for me. But when I started taking pillions, it became a series of down shifts and upshifts initiall, till the time I listened to an experienced rider. This advise is as given by him, and followed religiously by me.

When you approach the ghat, our usual method is to be in maximum gear possible, but when the vehicle starts knocking, we shift down, reducing the speed even further in the process. Instead of that, while approaching the ghaat, shift to a lower gear, so that the vehicle is in the torque range, and it becomes very easy to pull through a ghaat. Make sure you maintain a low speed at bit high revs before entering the ghaat, so that it can be maintained throughout, rather than always trying to be at the highest gear possible as we do on plain roads.

And regarding riding in ghats in running periods, I say go on and do it. Don't worry, little load won't hurt, it's not that you are climbing verticle climb

**ssivakumar.r** · 06-09-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Shadowfax View Post

Hey thanx man.. nothing is disappointing.. U gave the right answer. but still if needed I will follow fourth gear and maintain speed nearly 40kmph... will be fine right ? or say even less speed than this ?

ya... its ok.

actually i didnt know ghats road... i followed this in climbing flyover.

if u still feel the stressed engine then drive in 3rd gear(i think 4th gear is enough)

**animeher** · 06-09-2009, 12:02 PM

Regarding putting on the Spot lamp, shadowfax sent me a link of autolite products. I found this one to be very good in specs:

Autolite (INDIA) Ltd.

HL800H3: this is a projector lamp for 55W H3. This means we can get great light if we connect this directly to the battery. As the battery is 9AH, i think it should be enough to power the 55W bulb for 2-3 hrs at a go.

Any ideas where we can get autolite products in Pune/Mumbai? Also any comments on the above idea?

**Shadowfax** · 06-09-2009, 12:25 PM

Hey animeher, Im thinking of putting 2 lights at each side of leg guard (if that is possible). HL800H3 seems very big. You are thinking just 1 of it ?

Im bad at electricals... what is meant by H3 ? (rest the specs are same- 12v 55W)

EDIT: by leg guard I mean that grill.

**animeher** · 06-09-2009, 12:55 PM

2 lights of 55W each directly from battery will be overkill. I am planning to get only one for LHS, for highlighting blind corners in case any cager tries to push me out of the road and blind me with upper headlight.

H3/H4 etc are bulb types. The power of light is decided by Watts (actually by Lumens, 35W HID gives wayyyy more light than 55W bulb, but in same catagory, 55W halogen will give more light than 35W halogen provided it is getting full current.)

Car batteries are huge, and can easily power up many lights. But bike batteries being limited in size, can't power up many things at once for long duration. Also, if at all your battery gets discharged, you have to manually disconnect it because otherwise even the AC electricals like the headlights won't work. I faced a nightmare when my battery died in a ghat, taking away the headlight at dark night. I limped forward towards my place, but later understood that I should have just disconnected the battery in that case. Horn and indicators won't work without battery (and in GS150 case, even the speedometer), but headlight will be functioning.

**ssivakumar.r** · 06-09-2009, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Shadowfax View Post

Hey animeher, Im thinking of putting 2 lights at each side of leg guard (if that is possible). HL800H3 seems very big. You are thinking just 1 of it ?

Im bad at electricals... what is meant by H3 ? (rest the specs are same- 12v 55W)

EDIT: by leg guard I mean that grill.

hey... one lamp is 12V 55W, so if you add two lamps then it consumes 110W.

so the current drawn by the light setup is power/volts so 110/12 which is 9.167ampere(minimum, assuming 100% efficiency)

first this will blow down the fuse, even if u connect directly to battery, battery will be damaged

so connect one light... while night switch on this lamp and dont use headlight
if you use headlight the the power consumed is 35 + 55W which is 90W

so it draws 90/12= 7.5ampere(minimum), although battery is capable of giving 9 ampere current it should not be loaded to this much

even our head light is not connected to battery...

so before connecting to alternator can anyone ask service center about power rating of alternator, so that we can use the power without its damage

**animeher** · 06-09-2009, 01:04 PM

How much should be the power rating of the alternator, for using the above setup?

**Shadowfax** · 06-09-2009, 01:19 PM

ohh.... I was wrong. overall Im on conclusion that its not very economical to add any extra lights other than bike already has. Even if we attach 12v 55w light, as ssivkumar.r said, its not good to use head light. Otherwise battery will get discharged fast.

**ssivakumar.r** · 06-09-2009, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by animeher View Post

How much should be the power rating of the alternator, for using the above setup?

for battery charging it consumes 2.5A (general) so 2.5 x 12 which is 30W
and to power 55W bulb it requires 55 W

so totally 85W, so minimum alternator should have the capacity of 150% of maximum power rating so 1.5 x 85, which is nearly 130W.

If GS alternator has this much capacity then we can use it without using headlight(35W)

**Shadowfax** · 06-09-2009, 01:32 PM

Guys, check this

..:: Shop4hella.com

**animeher** · 06-09-2009, 01:39 PM

Good find, shadowfax! The prices are very high than anticipated. for 3000 or more rs for a spot lamp, one may as well go for HID.

Guess i'll search local market for budget alternative.

**abhijeet080808** · 06-09-2009, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by ssivakumar.r View Post

hey... one lamp is 12V 55W, so if you add two lamps then it consumes 110W.

so the current drawn by the light setup is power/volts so 110/12 which is 9.167ampere(minimum, assuming 100% efficiency)

first this will blow down the fuse, even if u connect directly to battery, battery will be damaged

so connect one light... while night switch on this lamp and dont use headlight
if you use headlight the the power consumed is 35 + 55W which is 90W

so it draws 90/12= 7.5ampere(minimum), although battery is capable of giving 9 ampere current it should not be loaded to this much

even our head light is not connected to battery...

so before connecting to alternator can anyone ask service center about power rating of alternator, so that we can use the power without its damage

It does not quite work that way. When the bike is running, the current drawn solely from the battery is not as high as you have calculated. The lights will draw some current from the stator coil charging battery circuit too and not solely from the battery. Net result - battery will not get the required charging current, but no way it will be damaged due to high current.

If you need to use the 55W light, it can be done. Save some power by disconnecting loads such as tail light, pilot light etc. But anything more than 55W is not supported without coil rewinding.

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